Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Leonlionheart]

They have been saying for 1000 posts that there's no reason to have a SMN for [action] when everyone should have [bandwagon job].

There are reasons to have them, but they don't justify actually inviting a SMN, at least not in Abyssea.

[Dallas]

It's not my fault people disagree with you.

[Leonlionheart]

It's not my fault people disagree with you.

This, I'm afraid, I cannot translate. Therefor all I can say is:

wut

[Dallas]

Read posts made by other people. You will quickly discover there are other people.

[Malamasala]

Wonder if Dallas is on Lakshmi cause id formally invite him to Voidwatch as a melee SMN to go up against the LS BP/release SMNs.

Could parse out the whole thing.

Naturally you pick your targets. I wouldn't go near any of the silly monsters that have the gimmick "I toss AOE, therefore I am". And as you probably know, neither does other jobs. It is always "Keep 1-2 tanks on it, and whatever trigger job is for HQ". So Summoner would parse just about equal to the other jobs like WAR on voidwatch, due to them not actually engaging either. But a RNG or SMN with BP+release would parse really high.

[Dallas]

That's the whole point. If WAR can't do it, it's proof that SMN shouldn't melee.

[Sparthos]

Naturally you pick your targets. I wouldn't go near any of the silly monsters that have the gimmick "I toss AOE, therefore I am". And as you probably know, neither does other jobs. It is always "Keep 1-2 tanks on it, and whatever trigger job is for HQ". So Summoner would parse just about equal to the other jobs like WAR on voidwatch, due to them not actually engaging either. But a RNG or SMN with BP+release would parse really high.

It wouldn't even need to be a T4. A T3 like the Turtle, Behemoth, Tonberry would be enough to prove my point.

Either way, without a doubt I know his ego is writing checks his body can't cash. The second he isn't supported by cruor buffs he's going underwater like all the other wannabe melee like BRD WHM RDM.

[Alhanelem]

The second he isn't supported by cruor buffs he's going underwater like all the other wannabe melee like BRD WHM RDM.

Whoever you're comparing to doesn't have the cruor buffs either, so the balance remains the same. It's not going to be any better or worse. In fact, non-abyssea favors the summoner more because Staff has no crit WS anyway and crit WS are laregly responsible for other job's drastic power increase. It does help garuda, some yes, but the master's share of the damage is already higher, so it doesn't make much of a difference, especially considering the BP timer.

Summoner still gets its butt kicked, of course. Just don't kid yourself into thinking that Abyssea is helping summoner disproportionately, it's actually helping them less than other jobs.

[Korpg]

In fact, non-abyssea favors the summoner more because Staff has no crit WS anyway and crit WS are laregly responsible for other job's drastic power increase.

Actually, SMN would be weaker because they lose the large DEX boost from buffs and RR.

[TybudX]

That's the whole point. If WAR can't do it, it's proof that SMN shouldn't melee.

You don't get a cookie for being the slowest kid in the class. Post #32:

fights that require hateless damage sources at range generally don't want a Summoner meleeing.

Goes hand in hand with reading posts by other people. You'll quickly find there are other people who dismantled all your made up arguments long before you posted them.