Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Catsby]

I'm not really against abyssea leeching but I think it would be nice if there were more engrossing ways to gain exp that rewarded the player with similar exp (looking at you FoV and your rewards that make you wonder why you bothered).

edit: would be interesting if you couldn't earn limit points inside abyssea :3

[Akujima]

By the way, how are your interactions IRL? At work? Do you harp on your coworkers for being lazy or cheating? Do you have that obsessive need to control every aspect of your life as you do in Vana'diel? You probably aren't very popular or well-liked IRL either. You just need to relax broseph. You go against the grain just for the sake of going against the grain, instead of letting life flow naturally in a manner that would be more enjoyable for yourself and everyone around you. Once you come over to "our" side, you'll see that the grass is much, much less green on your side, and how silly you've made yourself look so far.

Personal attack after personal attack.

[Chocobits]

And seriously, an analogy between exping the old way and obtaining a Purple Heart? Megalomania much?

[Chocobits]

Personal attack after personal attack.

Not really, if you actually read. I'm giving you advice on how to change your faulty mindset, so that you can enjoy life. I'm not attacking you, but your poisonous way of thinking. You can't live a healthy adult life with an attitude like that because you're not going to be allowed to control people in the way you want.

[Greatguardian]

Personal attack after personal attack.

Hi Hypocrisy, my name is Narcissistic Megalomaniac.

[Mirage]

I'm not really against abyssea leeching but I think it would be nice if there were more engrossing ways to gain exp that rewarded the player with similar exp (looking at you FoV and your rewards that make you wonder why you bothered).

Indeed. What if FoV would auto-reactivate each time you completed it, but for exp only. That way you'd only need to run back to the book once a day to get tabs, which would coincide with needing to reapply refresh and regen.

FoVs were more worth it before the exp was increased, but now they have fallen behind because of the time needed just to run back to the page.

Double FoV EXP and we're talking. And put manuals in even more areas. Uleguerand, tavnazia zones, why not even in Sea? The field manuals managed to get their way through the gate of the gods, why not up to Lumoria as well?

And just add a few ways to kill vanadiel monsters even faster, then no one would bother with these arguments cause they could do things real fast outside of abyssea anyway.

[Kimble]

@Panthera: The only reason they're still here, is because they need to defend they're own moralistic viewpoint and criticize ours.

Pot. Meet Kettle.

[Alkalinehoe]

Personal attack after personal attack.

He's right you know.

Also, I love how after nearly a decade SE finally fix leveling issues people have been complaining about, and all of a sudden they want to go back.

SE made it possible for two types of players to level. The one who is more concerned about reaching the level cap faster and the one more concerned with taking their time "learning" (lol) their jobs. What I don't get is, why must there be only one way? I've never heard anyone who is pro keywhoring/leeching in abyssea once say they should get rid of EXP in outside areas/make it harder to EXP. Most of them are in favor of adjusting old content (campaign for example) to give more EXP/make it easier leveling. Yet nearly all the people who I talk to who dislike Abyssea leveling claim they should raise the level cap to stop low levels from leveling in Abyssea.

Their reasons seem to be:
1. It would make building low level parties easier.
2. It would reinvigorate the AH/economy for crafters to make more low level equipment.
3. You don't "learn" your job.
4. You get to "explore" new areas.

Well first off, sure it would make building low level parties easier, but there isn't a want for it. Face it, the majority of people wish to focus on endgame content instead of spending their time in low level exp parties. If you really can't find 1-5 more people who want to static exp with you then you are probably in the minority when it comes to wanting low level parties. Crafting low level gear usually wasn't profitable, they did it to skill up on and hope to break even. If it did reinvigorate the economy, chances are it would be overinflated due to high demand. If it really must take you 45 levels of doing the same thing you've been doing since level 1 to learn your job, then go ahead and do it, but most competent players (Read: competent, THF/DNCs who fulltime full aurore and NQ +4 STR rings since they dinged 90 3 months ago are not competent). Though many jobs are really just the same and shouldn't take you more than a few hours messing around with it in the tree while skilling up to get the grasp of it. If going to one corner of the map and staying there for hours is called "exploring" then idk i just, idk anymore.

[Ravenmore]

Alkalinehoe is spot on. wouldn't do anything for low levels see how before abyssea low level were already dead outside of the best camps even then might see one party there. People only made low level gear to skill up but crafting gear was never a good way to make gil, people don't level woodworking to make gear.

[Akujima]

then you are probably in the minority when it comes to wanting low level parties.

This minority that people speak of, is not as small as everyone thinks.