99 Empyrean Trials.

Nothing, as always, Atomic is just running their mouth.

And, JPs arent happen with the trials either.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point

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1) relic were made to be "elitist"(rare) weapons, empy were made to be strong weapon anybody could get with some work
+ difficulty to get an item 8years ago is not revelant

2,3) can solo farm all currencies for your relic = you can get it free too!
anybody that want to upgrade empy in less than 5years HAVE TO BUY HMP
the issue with HMP is not price but supply being way to low for the amount of empy

4) relic cost 0 gil to up from 75 to 90

5) many relic owner did relic before cap 75. It's a slap in the face to make dyna easily soloable everyday

Anyone here posting about relics gtfo....

Someone make a new thread and keep it relevant to Empyreans.... Anyone that wantst to QQ about relics and their weapons go make a thread and name it something like I'm still QQing over Relics even though SE already gave me what I want.

Also someone make a thread on Mythic... If empy gets 90-95 trial reduced / adjusted mythics should to so someone jump on the bandwagon and start)

This thread is for Empys.... Plain and simple All Relic QQ'ers GO away.

The player base in general JP/NA/EU wants the 90-95 trial adjusted. HMP need to be lowered... and drop rate / content also should be looked at.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point
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1. I believe those numbers you have are just after the neo-dynamis changes. I would suspect the numbers are much closer now that the change has had several months to sink in. Also, you have to consider there was a 9 month lull between 90 cap(heroes of abyssea) to 95 cap where no decent new content was released and we had nothing better to do than build empys.

2. Like others have said, Relics can be free too if you so choose them to be. Throwing gil at it is just faster. With the addition of +2 Relic materials I'd venture to say people farming their relic are actually making money in the process.

3.Why does everyone always point to money to justify difficulty? I think we should really be looking at if it is feasible in a reasonable amount of time to complete said weapon trial by actually doing the content and view gil as a shortcut/suppliment to the goal. Relics you can, but you are slowed down by the 2hr a day thing. It is currently NOT feasible to get your 1500 HMP solely through doing Voidwatch and not purchasing them. If you do Voidwatch for 2 hours a day for 4 months you'll be lucky to be halfway done the HMP stage as it is now.

4. Getting a relic from 75-90 isn't difficult at all so that is a horrible comparison.

5. Faces have been slapped before. How about all those relic holders who did the 3000 WS killshots? Faces are currently being punched in the name of BALANCE! all over the place now. It wouldn't set an unusual precedent.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point

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1) The number of relics is going to increase DRASTICALLY if it hasn't already since the last census because...

2) Relics have been free from the moment Neo Dynamis was introduced up to the trial to get them to 95.

3) See 2

4) The main issue with you is that you keep comparing the effort and gil required to get an Empyrean weapon today to the effort and gil required to get a Relic at 75 cap. Empys at 90 ARE excellent weapons, but so are Relics at 95. It may take some time to get them to 75 but let's not pretend that now, at this very moment, it's hard to progress from 75-95.

5) Give 95 Empyrean holders a refund on their HMPs and let them put them on the market where they're sorely needed or let them upgrade other Empys they may have made. The trial should have never been 1500 HMPs, or if it was, they should have rained from the sky in content that requires 18 people and a ton of time to set up.

Also, on a note unrelated to DrStrangelove's post but relevant to this thread. Why not make Empyrean level 99 Rift... items drop off of Shinryu at 1 per type guaranteed? It seems that would be the natural progression, but I suppose I can see them needing to provide incentive for us fools to slog through the uninteresting, poorly conceived, and poorly implemented Voidwatch system.

Edit: Looks like I was beaten to the punch but I'll keep the post because it obviously shows consensus.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

has to be the dumbest thing I've read here in a while. So, spamming dynamis to make gil to buy plates makes you good? Lol, just lol. Pathetic.

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FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

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I guess everyone is as gimp as you then.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

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FFXI Pre-K: If you have to brew your draguas, not to save time, but because you suck, you are by definition a really huge gimp.

brew is cheating. Mwahaha.

To the people trying to claim becasue relics are easier to get now they are going to be close to empyrean in numebrs made you're just been silly it still takes 3 months of farming to solo your 75 relic, how many empys to 90 do you think will have been made in that time.

Just wanted to point this out, se still need to introduce more heavy metal plates however i mean ive got 7 emypreans waiting to be taken to 95 and i honestly don't mind doing dynamis to fund this but it would be nice to be able to take my gil and buy all 1500 in a day, so se up the damn drop rate.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

brew is cheating. Mwahaha.

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No one said its cheating, but I'd expect someone who goes around claiming their shit doesnt stink SHOULD be able to kill dragua without a brew. I brewed mine after the first 2 kills, not because I needed to, but because it made more sense to spend those extra 500 minutes (10 min per fight @ ~50 fights) cleaving for pop items instead of doing the same task over and over and over.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

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I'm actually lost for words, and that doesn't happen often. I do however, have a massive bump on my forehead now due to repeated facedesking.

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FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

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I usually try to strive to push my jobs to be the best they can be, get the best gear etc. I did the relic trials before they changed them, they were obnoxious but weren't a total turn off. When a dev makes such silly trials as this I don't think you can really class anyone that doesn't do them as gimp, they could make a trial that made a relic have double damage by cutting your little finger off...i wouldn't do that either. Sometimes being gimp is the better option is the devs are being silly, doing them shows you to be somewhat stupid. My first thought when I see someone with a glowing relic won't be wow he is awesome or wow he earned that, it will be what a dope.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

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I can't believe you take such personal pride in being able to kill decent challenge mobs. It doesn't mean you are good at anything. It just means you have at least 2 hours of spare time a day lol.

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Originally Posted by hiko

1) relic were made to be "elitist"(rare) weapons, empy were made to be strong weapon anybody could get with some work + difficulty to get an item 8years ago is not revelant

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I'm sorry, but using a word in quotes means you are quoiting someone. Who are you quoting? Did SE say these were elitist weapons? Ok, I didn't think so. I think that is your way of trying to justify 16,000 empys versus 4,000 relics. Relics weren't made 8 years ago. They've been made consistently for 8 years. Your determination that empys are meant to be made by anybody is not in dispute. What IS in dispute is that SE wants anybody to get a 99 empy.

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Originally Posted by hiko

2,3) can solo farm all currencies for your relic = you can get it free too!
anybody that want to upgrade empy in less than 5years HAVE TO BUY HMP
the issue with HMP is not price but supply being way to low for the amount of empy

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Yup. Given 2 months anyone can farm a 75 relic for free. Sorry that you forget that we are not discussing 75 weapons, but instead are talking about 99 weapons. You have to look at the whole weapon to 99, whether you are discussing cost, time, help, etc. You don;t get to pick and choose one thing.

But since you brought it up, yes you can farm the gil to buy plates, or yes you can farm the plates, selling the excess drops to buy more plates. It's possible to not have to put out one gil to the plates if you farm it all.

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Originally Posted by hiko

4) relic cost 0 gil to up from 75 to 90

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Again, it's sad, but I have to report red herrings. We aren't discussing weapons from 75 to 90, or 90 to 95 or 95 to 99. We are discussing weapons from don't exist to 99. It's fun to pick and choose the part you want to discuss, but SE knows that the whole complete weapon is what is at stake.

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Originally Posted by hiko

5) many relic owner did relic before cap 75. It's a slap in the face to make dyna easily soloable everyday

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OOOOPs....another red herring alert. They did not lower the currency requirements on relics. They did make it easier to collect currency. If you want to suggest that plates and rifts need to drop more frequently, rather than lowering the requirement, then you and I are probably close to agreement. That is the same issue for mythics and umbrals, so I am prone to agree that drop rates should be eased.

HMP drop rate is fine, just spam qilins and buy the plates as they drop. Should always get 1-2 pouches dropping per kill.

Umbrals are fine, 2 hours a day for 5 days or less to finish. Wish I could get 60 riftdross in 10 hours.

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Originally Posted by Zikon

Anyone here posting about relics gtfo....

Someone make a new thread and keep it relevant to Empyreans.... Anyone that wantst to QQ about relics and their weapons go make a thread and name it something like I'm still QQing over Relics even though SE already gave me what I want.

Also someone make a thread on Mythic... If empy gets 90-95 trial reduced / adjusted mythics should to so someone jump on the bandwagon and start)

This thread is for Empys.... Plain and simple All Relic QQ'ers GO away.

The player base in general JP/NA/EU wants the 90-95 trial adjusted. HMP need to be lowered... and drop rate / content also should be looked at.

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I have a better suggestion. Why don't you discuss the topic? And FYI, since I just checked, people in this thread, including the OP (who has no relic), post repeatedly in Relic threads.

So to quote the classic:

I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

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Originally Posted by macross

HMP drop rate is fine, just spam qilins and buy the plates as they drop. Should always get 1-2 pouches dropping per kill.

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Rubbish, drop rate is far from fine. It's totally random, and if you do zilart T3s the number of plates in a pouch is random too. Nothing like getting a pouch with 3 plates in it. And having to throw millions of gil on something like this to be able to finish within a reasonable amount of time, it's just terrible. If you're willing and able to do that, fine - but it's still terrible.

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Originally Posted by macross

HMP drop rate is fine, just spam qilins and buy the plates as they drop. Should always get 1-2 pouches dropping per kill.

Umbrals are fine, 2 hours a day for 5 days or less to finish. Wish I could get 60 riftdross in 10 hours.

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Yeah because everyone is going to help relic holders do adl all the time, at least you can actually go join pugs to do your 99 stage.

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Originally Posted by macross

Umbrals are fine, 2 hours a day for 5 days or less to finish. Wish I could get 60 riftdross in 10 hours.

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I wish i could shout for people to come kill ADL with the promise that they will be rewarded for their time

Camate, where are you with answers?! :( Will we see adjustments to heavy metal plates in some way or not?!..

Yeah, I know calling for a dev probably won't work, but now I'm getting desperate for any answer on the topic at this time, especially with the update close at hand...

You won't like the answer he brings. The likelihood of an adjustment to quantity is nearly 0. What should be the bigger focus for empyrean owners right now should be assuring HMP will be available from sources other then the current 6 VWNM. Or, that some method to ensure continued participation on those VWNM. Once players can get conformation that HMP will stay in circulation then, they can work on getting decreases. Bottom line is 1500 or 100 if none are available and runs are never formed players still wont get the trial finished. With so many empyrean waiting to be upgraded there needs to be a rather large supply before this issue truly goes away.

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

Yeah because everyone is going to help relic holders do adl all the time, at least you can actually go join pugs to do your 99 stage.

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For now they can, soon they won't.

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Originally Posted by macross

Umbrals are fine, 2 hours a day for 5 days or less to finish. Wish I could get 60 riftdross in 10 hours.

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I had some dope tell me I needed to work and save up money to buy a house. I told him that was silly since I could take the $5 I had in my pocket to win the lottery. No need to work when you can just win the lottery every day!

Bottom line: any strategy (whether its for plates, rift or umbrals) that is based on the best case, best luck, best help of others scenario is a useless strategy.

And, not to be a downer, but if I use your logic, I only need 60 VNM kills to get 60 riftdross. Perfect party, perfect triggers = 10 minute kills, perfect drops for 60 fights = 60 riftdross. Win!!

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

I had some dope tell me I needed to work and save up money to buy a house. I told him that was silly since I could take the $5 I had in my pocket to win the lottery. No need to work when you can just win the lottery every day!

Bottom line: any strategy (whether its for plates, rift or umbrals) that is based on the best case, best luck, best help of others scenario is a useless strategy.

And, not to be a downer, but if I use your logic, I only need 60 VNM kills to get 60 riftdross. Perfect party, perfect triggers = 10 minute kills, perfect drops for 60 fights = 60 riftdross. Win!!

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this is a game, take your real life comparisons and gtfo

Ahhhh almost did something stupid and forget about such a helpful feature as the ignorelist. This thread just became about empyrean's again with a Sh*t ton of blank areas.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

I have a better suggestion. Why don't you discuss the topic?

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Why don't you stay on the topic instead of trying to change it and bring up crap that has nothing to do with the thread in general, which is empyrean trials for levels 95 and 99.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

And FYI, since I just checked, people in this thread, including the OP (who has no relic), post repeatedly in Relic threads.

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I already responded to your tired drivel about this. To bad you didn't bother to read it.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

You have funny posts.

First, I have both a relic and an empyrean, unlike you who has 1 empy (and no relic or mythic) and the OP who has 3 empys (and no relic or mythic). !!

So, of the 3 of us, my opinion, is far more valid.

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I pay for 5 accounts, I have 3 empyreans and 1 relic and about to be 5 ebisu's, which are sort of like relics, if we're comparing opinions and which persons should hold more weight, I've done more then you, I have more then you, and I pay SE 5x more then you, so it's definitely me, so gtfo.

ALSO: If you're gonna claim to be a big shot, maybe you should not hide on a level 1 mule hiding who you are, I doubt you have anything based on the things you've said, and it's not like you've proved anything to anyone. So take your level 1 self and leave my thread before you make yourself look more dumb.

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Where's your proof of your relic?

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

I had some dope tell me I needed to work and save up money to buy a house. I told him that was silly since I could take the $5 I had in my pocket to win the lottery. No need to work when you can just win the lottery every day!

Bottom line: any strategy (whether its for plates, rift or umbrals) that is based on the best case, best luck, best help of others scenario is a useless strategy.

And, not to be a downer, but if I use your logic, I only need 60 VNM kills to get 60 riftdross. Perfect party, perfect triggers = 10 minute kills, perfect drops for 60 fights = 60 riftdross. Win!!

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2 hours a day for 5 days isn't based on any luck, it's almost a sure thing with the umbral being 100% drop. In fact, doesn't even take anywhere close to 2 hours to farm a adl pop and kill him, and it can drop up to 2 when you do win! If you got mules to reset 2hours can kill more than one a day as well. Very easy trial. Same as PW, very very easy.

Ogre and flan if you have perfect triggers and perfect party you can kill it in 3 minutes. Even so, you aren't guaranteed a drop at all every time you win. I've killed 60+ ogre/flans, I sure as hell don't got anything close to 60 dross, i've gotten 3 from all my kills. If you think getting 1500 hmp is hard, the supply of dross/cinder is even shittier due to those 2 mobs being alot harder for the avg pickup, and the fact they drop tons of loot thus people are done with them and not killing em as much. And theres 8 mobs that drop hmps, not 6, and they are still farmed daily.

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Originally Posted by macross

2 hours a day for 5 days isn't based on any luck, it's almost a sure thing with the umbral being 100% drop. In fact, doesn't even take anywhere close to 2 hours to farm a adl pop and kill him, and it can drop up to 2 when you do win! If you got mules to reset 2hours can kill more than one a day as well. Very easy trial. Same as PW, very very easy.

Ogre and flan if you have perfect triggers and perfect party you can kill it in 3 minutes. Even so, you aren't guaranteed a drop at all every time you win. I've killed 60+ ogre/flans, I sure as hell don't got anything close to 60 dross, i've gotten 3 from all my kills. If you think getting 1500 hmp is hard, the supply of dross/cinder is even shittier due to those 2 mobs being alot harder for the avg pickup, and the fact they drop tons of loot thus people are done with them and not killing em as much. And theres 8 mobs that drop hmps, not 6, and they are still farmed daily.

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And 17 suckers giving up their time to get you to that point. Not just their dyna time but time they could be doing idk Legion, new Nyzul, Abyssea farming, exp, any thing else that drops more for less effort. If you got 17 fools to help you great but giving up 2 hours a couple of years ago for little gain was not that much when you could play 4 to 8 hours a day but we as a player base have gotten older now 2 hours is what most people have to play for the day or every couple of days.

There is nothing in Xaca of worth(outside of upgrades items) that couldn't be gotten faster in a 6 man group that you could offer people help you build a adl pop. DL items, a 6 man group can killl him and not have to lot/bid/<insert perverted act here> against 17 others so thats not that attractive, ADL trash drops lol will so poor sheep want it sure but to get 17 sheep for it gl.

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Originally Posted by macross

2 hours a day for 5 days isn't based on any luck, it's almost a sure thing with the umbral being 100% drop. In fact, doesn't even take anywhere close to 2 hours to farm a adl pop and kill him, and it can drop up to 2 when you do win! If you got mules to reset 2hours can kill more than one a day as well. Very easy trial. Same as PW, very very easy.

Ogre and flan if you have perfect triggers and perfect party you can kill it in 3 minutes. Even so, you aren't guaranteed a drop at all every time you win. I've killed 60+ ogre/flans, I sure as hell don't got anything close to 60 dross, i've gotten 3 from all my kills. If you think getting 1500 hmp is hard, the supply of dross/cinder is even shittier due to those 2 mobs being alot harder for the avg pickup, and the fact they drop tons of loot thus people are done with them and not killing em as much. And theres 8 mobs that drop hmps, not 6, and they are still farmed daily.

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You really are making me laugh now the empy trial is by far the easiest and cheaper than relic trial just go wait in jeuno and buy the damh dross, gl finding 5 marrows to buy for anything less than 100 mil but still gl even buying them.

I'd say mythics got the easiest 99 trial due to the zeni increase then empys due to the fact you can buy it all a lot easier than marrows and you can spam it all day all at the same time buying it from other people there and getting a chance at good gear.

You must be from a big ls what farms adl, most relic holders arn't part of a big ls now so im sorry cut the bs because the relic trial is far from easy. Most people in this game are out for themselves i really can't see 17 other people going out to help a relic holder get 5 marrows when they can solo dynamis and get 2 mil gil.

Then factor in even in a small ls there will be multiple relics mine for instance one person alone has 7 do you really think the ls is going to keep spamming adl for this person ?

So cut the crap Marc, we all know who got the best deal from the 99 trials and it certainly wasn't relic holders.

Emps are still facing down the gun on this. For now VWNM is the "It" event only because what else is there to do, and the people that are not already doing it mostly like won't bother with it. The more new events they add the less its worth going back to VWNM. It still boils down to SE short sighted thinking. The gear from VWNM is really not that impressive for the amount of time sink it is. No one got a good deal in this mess, some just got better then getting hit by a Mac truck and worse then getting kicked in the nuts.

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2 hours a day for 5 days isn't based on any luck, it's almost a sure thing with the umbral being 100% drop. In fact, doesn't even take anywhere close to 2 hours to farm a adl pop and kill him, and it can drop up to 2 when you do win! If you got mules to reset 2hours can kill more than one a day as well. Very easy trial. Same as PW, very very easy.

Ogre and flan if you have perfect triggers and perfect party you can kill it in 3 minutes. Even so, you aren't guaranteed a drop at all every time you win. I've killed 60+ ogre/flans, I sure as hell don't got anything close to 60 dross, i've gotten 3 from all my kills. If you think getting 1500 hmp is hard, the supply of dross/cinder is even shittier due to those 2 mobs being alot harder for the avg pickup, and the fact they drop tons of loot thus people are done with them and not killing em as much. And theres 8 mobs that drop hmps, not 6, and they are still farmed daily.

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The empy trial is clearly the easiest, not saying that relic is hard, but it can't be soloed. Also no your voidwatch mobs are not harder than ADL. They are very easy that's why I found 100 riftcinders in bazars in 1 week at a reasonable price.

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The empy trial is clearly the easiest

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All mythic trials after initially getting the weapon are clearly the easiest.

who gives a shit if empy is easiest? (HMPs are still harder than currency but lets not go there) stop comparing what empy's are to what relics are, relic trials were and still are retarded as all fuck, empy's should not have been subjected to the same retarded design, and until 95 they weren't

so 95 NEEDS FIXED

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The empy trial is clearly the easiest, not saying that relic is hard, but it can't be soloed. Also no your voidwatch mobs are not harder than ADL. They are very easy that's why I found 100 riftcinders in bazars in 1 week at a reasonable price.

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And my LS has 9 umbrals we've farmed, doing ADL once a week. NOT hard at all, since it always drops 100%! Try finding dross at reasonable prices. Even if I wanted to pay 1m each right now I can't buy 60 of them. Once the final numbers were released and it was known we'd use the same damn items everything was bought for use or resale. Killed another 7 flans, 4 ogres, I got 0 dross yet again. Unless they add drops to new tiers, it will just get increasingly more difficult to finish. Whereas you can go anytime and gank ADL 5x. or kill your 3 PW. Killing 60 ogre/flan won't guarantee you will finish, as I posted before, not everyone will trade, nor sell you the drops if they do drop. It should have been 10 or 15 at most, 60 is just stupid.

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You really are making me laugh now the empy trial is by far the easiest and cheaper than relic trial just go wait in jeuno and buy the damh dross, gl finding 5 marrows to buy for anything less than 100 mil but still gl even buying them.

I'd say mythics got the easiest 99 trial due to the zeni increase then empys due to the fact you can buy it all a lot easier than marrows and you can spam it all day all at the same time buying it from other people there and getting a chance at good gear.

You must be from a big ls what farms adl, most relic holders arn't part of a big ls now so im sorry cut the bs because the relic trial is far from easy. Most people in this game are out for themselves i really can't see 17 other people going out to help a relic holder get 5 marrows when they can solo dynamis and get 2 mil gil.

Then factor in even in a small ls there will be multiple relics mine for instance one person alone has 7 do you really think the ls is going to keep spamming adl for this person ?

So cut the crap Marc, we all know who got the best deal from the 99 trials and it certainly wasn't relic holders.

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You do realize SE themselves said the order of difficulty is Mythic->Relic->Empy right? And from what we've seen, they are correct. Think what you want, just because a few people bought up all the existing dross/cinder, doesn't mean others will be able to. The supply is drying up. Less and less do VW, especialy the flan or ogre.

And my LS sure plans to farm ADL to finish at least 1 relic for every person. If you're not in a LS then too bad shrug. I guess for you relic will be impossible. For me, and anyone else in a decent LS, we'll have no problem getting 5 umbrals. Being in a strong LS, I don't forsee myself getting 60 dross anytime soon. 99 relic will be done before 99 empy for sure.

Only people who will be finishing 99 empy are those who took a gamble and bought up the original stock. I didn't think SE would be stupid enough to use the same item for both trials so I'm pretty screwed since I didnt' buy any. That and my LS rather sell the dross to outsiders than sell to me shrug.

Well i don't care what se said the true order of the final trial is Mythic > Empy > Relic in that order, i can't help it people from your own ls won't sell you dross but on quetz now ive seen today alone 10 for sale at 500k each.

You can spam the vwnms for it all day Marc go make a shout group it will cost you nothing you can only do relic once a day and then you have competion within your own ls if there is more than one relic which in todays game there more than likely will be. Then add on the fact it isn't even a 100% win he could spawn multiple clones or just go nuts and kill the ally. Funny how it's only the people who paid out for 95 empyreans who seem to think the last trial is harder for them than relics when its clearly not.

Relic would cost more to buy if you can even find a seller, anyway pointless argument is pointless relic trial sucks, empy trial is passable but i wouldn't care if they lowered the amount and finally mythic gets the best deal.

Ls friend has just finished empy 99 stage in one day pfftt hard my arse

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Originally Posted by macross

And my LS has 9 umbrals we've farmed, doing ADL once a week. NOT hard at all, since it always drops 100%! Try finding dross at reasonable prices. Even if I wanted to pay 1m each right now I can't buy 60 of them. Once the final numbers were released and it was known we'd use the same damn items everything was bought for use or resale. Killed another 7 flans, 4 ogres, I got 0 dross yet again. Unless they add drops to new tiers, it will just get increasingly more difficult to finish. Whereas you can go anytime and gank ADL 5x. or kill your 3 PW. Killing 60 ogre/flan won't guarantee you will finish, as I posted before, not everyone will trade, nor sell you the drops if they do drop. It should have been 10 or 15 at most, 60 is just stupid.

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It's a server thing because on quetz all cinder go for 800k+ while you see plenty of dross for 500k.
You said your server does 1 ADL per week, fine, but how much money will the group do if farming instead ? At 800k a pop my level 99 is costing me ~50M wich is 10 dynamis runs duo. I'm 100% certain a 10 ish group will farm much more than 50M in on week, so yeah it's still easier. I'm not saying SE should increase the amount of cinder, but the cock blocker is clearly HMP not cinder. For anyone that has farmed 1500 plates, 60 dross will be quick.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

At 800k a pop my level 99 is costing me ~50M wich is 10 dynamis runs duo.

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lol? What the fk happened to making 16m per run?

It's just so stupid of them to try and balance relic, mythic, and empyrean against each other. They're different processes from different eras of the game. It'd be like basing all expansion missions on the difficulty of Zilart, but making the difficulty adjustments at the end of each mission line. COP will be super hard, but Promathia will keel over and die if you look at him funny to make up for it. ToAU will be really easy until you face Alexander who will be guaranteed to strike you down with the combined powers of AV, PW, Shantotto, and Tunga.

Is this what passes for balance with the devs? Heck, Empyrean trials aren't even balanced against each other... I don't think we ever got an explanation for that.