99 Empyrean Trials.

[Ravenmore]

Emps are still facing down the gun on this. For now VWNM is the "It" event only because what else is there to do, and the people that are not already doing it mostly like won't bother with it. The more new events they add the less its worth going back to VWNM. It still boils down to SE short sighted thinking. The gear from VWNM is really not that impressive for the amount of time sink it is. No one got a good deal in this mess, some just got better then getting hit by a Mac truck and worse then getting kicked in the nuts.

[MarkovChain]

2 hours a day for 5 days isn't based on any luck, it's almost a sure thing with the umbral being 100% drop. In fact, doesn't even take anywhere close to 2 hours to farm a adl pop and kill him, and it can drop up to 2 when you do win! If you got mules to reset 2hours can kill more than one a day as well. Very easy trial. Same as PW, very very easy.

Ogre and flan if you have perfect triggers and perfect party you can kill it in 3 minutes. Even so, you aren't guaranteed a drop at all every time you win. I've killed 60+ ogre/flans, I sure as hell don't got anything close to 60 dross, i've gotten 3 from all my kills. If you think getting 1500 hmp is hard, the supply of dross/cinder is even shittier due to those 2 mobs being alot harder for the avg pickup, and the fact they drop tons of loot thus people are done with them and not killing em as much. And theres 8 mobs that drop hmps, not 6, and they are still farmed daily.

The empy trial is clearly the easiest, not saying that relic is hard, but it can't be soloed. Also no your voidwatch mobs are not harder than ADL. They are very easy that's why I found 100 riftcinders in bazars in 1 week at a reasonable price.

[wish12oz]

The empy trial is clearly the easiest

All mythic trials after initially getting the weapon are clearly the easiest.

[Finuve]

who gives a shit if empy is easiest? (HMPs are still harder than currency but lets not go there) stop comparing what empy's are to what relics are, relic trials were and still are retarded as all fuck, empy's should not have been subjected to the same retarded design, and until 95 they weren't

so 95 NEEDS FIXED

[macross]

The empy trial is clearly the easiest, not saying that relic is hard, but it can't be soloed. Also no your voidwatch mobs are not harder than ADL. They are very easy that's why I found 100 riftcinders in bazars in 1 week at a reasonable price.

And my LS has 9 umbrals we've farmed, doing ADL once a week. NOT hard at all, since it always drops 100%! Try finding dross at reasonable prices. Even if I wanted to pay 1m each right now I can't buy 60 of them. Once the final numbers were released and it was known we'd use the same damn items everything was bought for use or resale. Killed another 7 flans, 4 ogres, I got 0 dross yet again. Unless they add drops to new tiers, it will just get increasingly more difficult to finish. Whereas you can go anytime and gank ADL 5x. or kill your 3 PW. Killing 60 ogre/flan won't guarantee you will finish, as I posted before, not everyone will trade, nor sell you the drops if they do drop. It should have been 10 or 15 at most, 60 is just stupid.

[macross]

You really are making me laugh now the empy trial is by far the easiest and cheaper than relic trial just go wait in jeuno and buy the damh dross, gl finding 5 marrows to buy for anything less than 100 mil but still gl even buying them.

I'd say mythics got the easiest 99 trial due to the zeni increase then empys due to the fact you can buy it all a lot easier than marrows and you can spam it all day all at the same time buying it from other people there and getting a chance at good gear.

You must be from a big ls what farms adl, most relic holders arn't part of a big ls now so im sorry cut the bs because the relic trial is far from easy. Most people in this game are out for themselves i really can't see 17 other people going out to help a relic holder get 5 marrows when they can solo dynamis and get 2 mil gil.

Then factor in even in a small ls there will be multiple relics mine for instance one person alone has 7 do you really think the ls is going to keep spamming adl for this person ?

So cut the crap Marc, we all know who got the best deal from the 99 trials and it certainly wasn't relic holders.

You do realize SE themselves said the order of difficulty is Mythic->Relic->Empy right? And from what we've seen, they are correct. Think what you want, just because a few people bought up all the existing dross/cinder, doesn't mean others will be able to. The supply is drying up. Less and less do VW, especialy the flan or ogre.

And my LS sure plans to farm ADL to finish at least 1 relic for every person. If you're not in a LS then too bad shrug. I guess for you relic will be impossible. For me, and anyone else in a decent LS, we'll have no problem getting 5 umbrals. Being in a strong LS, I don't forsee myself getting 60 dross anytime soon. 99 relic will be done before 99 empy for sure.

Only people who will be finishing 99 empy are those who took a gamble and bought up the original stock. I didn't think SE would be stupid enough to use the same item for both trials so I'm pretty screwed since I didnt' buy any. That and my LS rather sell the dross to outsiders than sell to me shrug.

[newmonkey]

Well i don't care what se said the true order of the final trial is Mythic > Empy > Relic in that order, i can't help it people from your own ls won't sell you dross but on quetz now ive seen today alone 10 for sale at 500k each.

You can spam the vwnms for it all day Marc go make a shout group it will cost you nothing you can only do relic once a day and then you have competion within your own ls if there is more than one relic which in todays game there more than likely will be. Then add on the fact it isn't even a 100% win he could spawn multiple clones or just go nuts and kill the ally. Funny how it's only the people who paid out for 95 empyreans who seem to think the last trial is harder for them than relics when its clearly not.

Relic would cost more to buy if you can even find a seller, anyway pointless argument is pointless relic trial sucks, empy trial is passable but i wouldn't care if they lowered the amount and finally mythic gets the best deal.

Ls friend has just finished empy 99 stage in one day pfftt hard my arse

[MarkovChain]

And my LS has 9 umbrals we've farmed, doing ADL once a week. NOT hard at all, since it always drops 100%! Try finding dross at reasonable prices. Even if I wanted to pay 1m each right now I can't buy 60 of them. Once the final numbers were released and it was known we'd use the same damn items everything was bought for use or resale. Killed another 7 flans, 4 ogres, I got 0 dross yet again. Unless they add drops to new tiers, it will just get increasingly more difficult to finish. Whereas you can go anytime and gank ADL 5x. or kill your 3 PW. Killing 60 ogre/flan won't guarantee you will finish, as I posted before, not everyone will trade, nor sell you the drops if they do drop. It should have been 10 or 15 at most, 60 is just stupid.

It's a server thing because on quetz all cinder go for 800k+ while you see plenty of dross for 500k.
You said your server does 1 ADL per week, fine, but how much money will the group do if farming instead ? At 800k a pop my level 99 is costing me ~50M wich is 10 dynamis runs duo. I'm 100% certain a 10 ish group will farm much more than 50M in on week, so yeah it's still easier. I'm not saying SE should increase the amount of cinder, but the cock blocker is clearly HMP not cinder. For anyone that has farmed 1500 plates, 60 dross will be quick.

[Nynja]

At 800k a pop my level 99 is costing me ~50M wich is 10 dynamis runs duo.

lol? What the fk happened to making 16m per run?

[Camiie]

It's just so stupid of them to try and balance relic, mythic, and empyrean against each other. They're different processes from different eras of the game. It'd be like basing all expansion missions on the difficulty of Zilart, but making the difficulty adjustments at the end of each mission line. COP will be super hard, but Promathia will keel over and die if you look at him funny to make up for it. ToAU will be really easy until you face Alexander who will be guaranteed to strike you down with the combined powers of AV, PW, Shantotto, and Tunga.

Is this what passes for balance with the devs? Heck, Empyrean trials aren't even balanced against each other... I don't think we ever got an explanation for that.