99 Empyrean Trials.

[Kimble]

Nothing, as always, Atomic is just running their mouth.

And, JPs arent happen with the trials either.

[hiko]

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point

1) relic were made to be "elitist"(rare) weapons, empy were made to be strong weapon anybody could get with some work
+ difficulty to get an item 8years ago is not revelant

2,3) can solo farm all currencies for your relic = you can get it free too!
anybody that want to upgrade empy in less than 5years HAVE TO BUY HMP
the issue with HMP is not price but supply being way to low for the amount of empy

4) relic cost 0 gil to up from 75 to 90

5) many relic owner did relic before cap 75. It's a slap in the face to make dyna easily soloable everyday

[Zikon]

Anyone here posting about relics gtfo....

Someone make a new thread and keep it relevant to Empyreans.... Anyone that wantst to QQ about relics and their weapons go make a thread and name it something like I'm still QQing over Relics even though SE already gave me what I want.

Also someone make a thread on Mythic... If empy gets 90-95 trial reduced / adjusted mythics should to so someone jump on the bandwagon and start)

This thread is for Empys.... Plain and simple All Relic QQ'ers GO away.

The player base in general JP/NA/EU wants the 90-95 trial adjusted. HMP need to be lowered... and drop rate / content also should be looked at.

[Avelonia]

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point
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1. I believe those numbers you have are just after the neo-dynamis changes. I would suspect the numbers are much closer now that the change has had several months to sink in. Also, you have to consider there was a 9 month lull between 90 cap(heroes of abyssea) to 95 cap where no decent new content was released and we had nothing better to do than build empys.

2. Like others have said, Relics can be free too if you so choose them to be. Throwing gil at it is just faster. With the addition of +2 Relic materials I'd venture to say people farming their relic are actually making money in the process.

3.Why does everyone always point to money to justify difficulty? I think we should really be looking at if it is feasible in a reasonable amount of time to complete said weapon trial by actually doing the content and view gil as a shortcut/suppliment to the goal. Relics you can, but you are slowed down by the 2hr a day thing. It is currently NOT feasible to get your 1500 HMP solely through doing Voidwatch and not purchasing them. If you do Voidwatch for 2 hours a day for 4 months you'll be lucky to be halfway done the HMP stage as it is now.

4. Getting a relic from 75-90 isn't difficult at all so that is a horrible comparison.

5. Faces have been slapped before. How about all those relic holders who did the 3000 WS killshots? Faces are currently being punched in the name of BALANCE! all over the place now. It wouldn't set an unusual precedent.

[Cybernetic_Empire]

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point

1) The number of relics is going to increase DRASTICALLY if it hasn't already since the last census because...

2) Relics have been free from the moment Neo Dynamis was introduced up to the trial to get them to 95.

3) See 2

4) The main issue with you is that you keep comparing the effort and gil required to get an Empyrean weapon today to the effort and gil required to get a Relic at 75 cap. Empys at 90 ARE excellent weapons, but so are Relics at 95. It may take some time to get them to 75 but let's not pretend that now, at this very moment, it's hard to progress from 75-95.

5) Give 95 Empyrean holders a refund on their HMPs and let them put them on the market where they're sorely needed or let them upgrade other Empys they may have made. The trial should have never been 1500 HMPs, or if it was, they should have rained from the sky in content that requires 18 people and a ton of time to set up.

Also, on a note unrelated to DrStrangelove's post but relevant to this thread. Why not make Empyrean level 99 Rift... items drop off of Shinryu at 1 per type guaranteed? It seems that would be the natural progression, but I suppose I can see them needing to provide incentive for us fools to slog through the uninteresting, poorly conceived, and poorly implemented Voidwatch system.

Edit: Looks like I was beaten to the punch but I'll keep the post because it obviously shows consensus.

[MarkovChain]

has to be the dumbest thing I've read here in a while. So, spamming dynamis to make gil to buy plates makes you good? Lol, just lol. Pathetic.

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

[Camiie]

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

I guess everyone is as gimp as you then.

[Nynja]

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

FFXI Pre-K: If you have to brew your draguas, not to save time, but because you suck, you are by definition a really huge gimp.

[MarkovChain]

brew is cheating. Mwahaha.

[newmonkey]

To the people trying to claim becasue relics are easier to get now they are going to be close to empyrean in numebrs made you're just been silly it still takes 3 months of farming to solo your 75 relic, how many empys to 90 do you think will have been made in that time.

Just wanted to point this out, se still need to introduce more heavy metal plates however i mean ive got 7 emypreans waiting to be taken to 95 and i honestly don't mind doing dynamis to fund this but it would be nice to be able to take my gil and buy all 1500 in a day, so se up the damn drop rate.