99 Empyrean Trials.

[DrStrangelove]

It's sad that the strongest arguments to change how empyreans are done are these:

1) you are level 1
2) you are anonymous
3) we don't believe you
4) get out of "OUR" thread
5) LOL

It seems if those are the best arguments you have for SE, they won't find much useful to read here.

Wait, I forgot one

6) wahhhhhh


Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point


For those of you that can't respond to cogent arguments....here is what you can say:

1) you are level 1
2) you are anonymous
3) we don't believe you
4) get out of "OUR" thread
5) LOL
6) wahhhhhh



PS I think it's a pretty lame retort, but if you think that will win the day, go for it.

[MarkovChain]

It's sad that the strongest arguments to change how empyreans are done are these:

1) you are level 1
2) you are anonymous
3) we don't believe you
4) get out of "OUR" thread
5) LOL
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That's because people from a certain site like to start arguments every time someone doesn't agree with them. The real excuse though is that they are not good enaugh to get the plates. QQ etc.

[Avelonia]

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point
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1. I believe those numbers you have are just after the neo-dynamis changes. I would suspect the numbers are much closer now that the change has had several months to sink in. Also, you have to consider there was a 9 month lull between 90 cap(heroes of abyssea) to 95 cap where no decent new content was released and we had nothing better to do than build empys.

2. Like others have said, Relics can be free too if you so choose them to be. Throwing gil at it is just faster. With the addition of +2 Relic materials I'd venture to say people farming their relic are actually making money in the process.

3.Why does everyone always point to money to justify difficulty? I think we should really be looking at if it is feasible in a reasonable amount of time to complete said weapon trial by actually doing the content and view gil as a shortcut/suppliment to the goal. Relics you can, but you are slowed down by the 2hr a day thing. It is currently NOT feasible to get your 1500 HMP solely through doing Voidwatch and not purchasing them. If you do Voidwatch for 2 hours a day for 4 months you'll be lucky to be halfway done the HMP stage as it is now.

4. Getting a relic from 75-90 isn't difficult at all so that is a horrible comparison.

5. Faces have been slapped before. How about all those relic holders who did the 3000 WS killshots? Faces are currently being punched in the name of BALANCE! all over the place now. It wouldn't set an unusual precedent.

[Cybernetic_Empire]

Reminders for those who have forgotten:

1) there have been 16,000 empys made in 1 year, versus 4,000 relics in 8 years (with twice the number of people.) Ignore away if you will, but SE has the same numbers.

2) Empys are free up to level 90; Relics and myhics cost between 120 and 300 million just to get to level 75

3) The amount of cost for empys and relics ONLY becomes close if you take the empy to level 99. It is a CHOICE the empy owner has to make.

4) Empys at level 90 are excellent weapons; relics at level 75 are far far weaker

5) Many people have done the level 95 empys already. It's a slap in the face to make it reduce the 1,500 plates at this point

1) The number of relics is going to increase DRASTICALLY if it hasn't already since the last census because...

2) Relics have been free from the moment Neo Dynamis was introduced up to the trial to get them to 95.

3) See 2

4) The main issue with you is that you keep comparing the effort and gil required to get an Empyrean weapon today to the effort and gil required to get a Relic at 75 cap. Empys at 90 ARE excellent weapons, but so are Relics at 95. It may take some time to get them to 75 but let's not pretend that now, at this very moment, it's hard to progress from 75-95.

5) Give 95 Empyrean holders a refund on their HMPs and let them put them on the market where they're sorely needed or let them upgrade other Empys they may have made. The trial should have never been 1500 HMPs, or if it was, they should have rained from the sky in content that requires 18 people and a ton of time to set up.

Also, on a note unrelated to DrStrangelove's post but relevant to this thread. Why not make Empyrean level 99 Rift... items drop off of Shinryu at 1 per type guaranteed? It seems that would be the natural progression, but I suppose I can see them needing to provide incentive for us fools to slog through the uninteresting, poorly conceived, and poorly implemented Voidwatch system.

Edit: Looks like I was beaten to the punch but I'll keep the post because it obviously shows consensus.