99 Empyrean Trials.

[Nynja]

brew is cheating. Mwahaha.

No one said its cheating, but I'd expect someone who goes around claiming their shit doesnt stink SHOULD be able to kill dragua without a brew. I brewed mine after the first 2 kills, not because I needed to, but because it made more sense to spend those extra 500 minutes (10 min per fight @ ~50 fights) cleaving for pop items instead of doing the same task over and over and over.

[Tamoa]

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

I'm actually lost for words, and that doesn't happen often. I do however, have a massive bump on my forehead now due to repeated facedesking.

[Runespider]

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

I usually try to strive to push my jobs to be the best they can be, get the best gear etc. I did the relic trials before they changed them, they were obnoxious but weren't a total turn off. When a dev makes such silly trials as this I don't think you can really class anyone that doesn't do them as gimp, they could make a trial that made a relic have double damage by cutting your little finger off...i wouldn't do that either. Sometimes being gimp is the better option is the devs are being silly, doing them shows you to be somewhat stupid. My first thought when I see someone with a glowing relic won't be wow he is awesome or wow he earned that, it will be what a dope.

[Insaniac]

FFXI 101. If you are 99 with a level 90 you are by definition gimp.

I can't believe you take such personal pride in being able to kill decent challenge mobs. It doesn't mean you are good at anything. It just means you have at least 2 hours of spare time a day lol.

[DrStrangelove]

1) relic were made to be "elitist"(rare) weapons, empy were made to be strong weapon anybody could get with some work + difficulty to get an item 8years ago is not revelant

I'm sorry, but using a word in quotes means you are quoiting someone. Who are you quoting? Did SE say these were elitist weapons? Ok, I didn't think so. I think that is your way of trying to justify 16,000 empys versus 4,000 relics. Relics weren't made 8 years ago. They've been made consistently for 8 years. Your determination that empys are meant to be made by anybody is not in dispute. What IS in dispute is that SE wants anybody to get a 99 empy.

2,3) can solo farm all currencies for your relic = you can get it free too!
anybody that want to upgrade empy in less than 5years HAVE TO BUY HMP
the issue with HMP is not price but supply being way to low for the amount of empy

Yup. Given 2 months anyone can farm a 75 relic for free. Sorry that you forget that we are not discussing 75 weapons, but instead are talking about 99 weapons. You have to look at the whole weapon to 99, whether you are discussing cost, time, help, etc. You don;t get to pick and choose one thing.

But since you brought it up, yes you can farm the gil to buy plates, or yes you can farm the plates, selling the excess drops to buy more plates. It's possible to not have to put out one gil to the plates if you farm it all.

4) relic cost 0 gil to up from 75 to 90

Again, it's sad, but I have to report red herrings. We aren't discussing weapons from 75 to 90, or 90 to 95 or 95 to 99. We are discussing weapons from don't exist to 99. It's fun to pick and choose the part you want to discuss, but SE knows that the whole complete weapon is what is at stake.

5) many relic owner did relic before cap 75. It's a slap in the face to make dyna easily soloable everyday

OOOOPs....another red herring alert. They did not lower the currency requirements on relics. They did make it easier to collect currency. If you want to suggest that plates and rifts need to drop more frequently, rather than lowering the requirement, then you and I are probably close to agreement. That is the same issue for mythics and umbrals, so I am prone to agree that drop rates should be eased.

[macross]

HMP drop rate is fine, just spam qilins and buy the plates as they drop. Should always get 1-2 pouches dropping per kill.

Umbrals are fine, 2 hours a day for 5 days or less to finish. Wish I could get 60 riftdross in 10 hours.

[DrStrangelove]

Anyone here posting about relics gtfo....

Someone make a new thread and keep it relevant to Empyreans.... Anyone that wantst to QQ about relics and their weapons go make a thread and name it something like I'm still QQing over Relics even though SE already gave me what I want.

Also someone make a thread on Mythic... If empy gets 90-95 trial reduced / adjusted mythics should to so someone jump on the bandwagon and start)

This thread is for Empys.... Plain and simple All Relic QQ'ers GO away.

The player base in general JP/NA/EU wants the 90-95 trial adjusted. HMP need to be lowered... and drop rate / content also should be looked at.

I have a better suggestion. Why don't you discuss the topic? And FYI, since I just checked, people in this thread, including the OP (who has no relic), post repeatedly in Relic threads.

So to quote the classic:

I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

[Tamoa]

HMP drop rate is fine, just spam qilins and buy the plates as they drop. Should always get 1-2 pouches dropping per kill.

Rubbish, drop rate is far from fine. It's totally random, and if you do zilart T3s the number of plates in a pouch is random too. Nothing like getting a pouch with 3 plates in it. And having to throw millions of gil on something like this to be able to finish within a reasonable amount of time, it's just terrible. If you're willing and able to do that, fine - but it's still terrible.

[newmonkey]

HMP drop rate is fine, just spam qilins and buy the plates as they drop. Should always get 1-2 pouches dropping per kill.

Umbrals are fine, 2 hours a day for 5 days or less to finish. Wish I could get 60 riftdross in 10 hours.

Yeah because everyone is going to help relic holders do adl all the time, at least you can actually go join pugs to do your 99 stage.

[Nynja]

Umbrals are fine, 2 hours a day for 5 days or less to finish. Wish I could get 60 riftdross in 10 hours.

I wish i could shout for people to come kill ADL with the promise that they will be rewarded for their time