Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

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SMN gear is horrible for melee. Best that SMNs can get is either 22% haste or ~40 accuracy. Nothing to melee on Orthus with.

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Works perfectly to melee on Alfard though. As always you got to pick your mobs. Most would claim you feed too much TP though, so regardless of NM, they want you away from it. SE really needs to make SMN completely TP free, so we don't have to listen to the whining of others. We are perfectly capable of whining ourselves, you know.

About the update, looking forward to the new stuff for whm but still feeling like drg is getting a little short ended again :/ Granted we can go into aby and support our own on most mobs but to be honest even with me taking extra care to ensure my comrade (Ember) survives she still dosen't breath hard enough on her breath attacks to make too much of a difference. I am glad to see they are looking into helping us keep our little flying buddies alive but may I please stress if her healing breath was 4 or 5 it would make soloing aby pages a little more simpler on us who are not wanted in aby parties mainly do to fact we can't survive on our own or can't help the alliance. -->has seen this happen before to more then a few dragoons, more then once. Any who I am glad they are at least not leaving drg out on the update. This should be helpful in at least one way or another.
Whm oh hell yeah when I saw that I was going sweet man can't wait. Is there though ever going to be something we can do to help our tanks on the tiger nm out in the range on amnesia though so they can proc for the atma? Just wondering.
Thf well it sounds interesting though sense I have not personally been on thf long enough to have an opinion on it just say lets see how it goes.
All the rest, curiosity killed the cat and can't wait to see.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Works perfectly to melee on Alfard though. As always you got to pick your mobs. Most would claim you feed too much TP though, so regardless of NM, they want you away from it. SE really needs to make SMN completely TP free, so we don't have to listen to the whining of others. We are perfectly capable of whining ourselves, you know.

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It would be nice if they gave our avatars Subtle blow traits, our make them BLM/MNK or something that improves their DPS.

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We plan to broaden the range of monsters that beastmasters can coax into becoming their pets.

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Very cool that we'll get more charmables. Probably only the greater beast that should have been charmable in the first place, yet weren't for some reason, though. Peiste, gnats, bugards, gnoles, etc. We still won't have any undead/demon/arcana/dragon/beastmen/sea/empty/abyssean pets I wager.

My main question is, "will this be at all useful?" Will we ever be able to charm these things for anything but for fun? There are no charmables in dynamis/ limbus/ sea/ indoor sky/ salvage and nyzul (despite 90% of them being charmable elsewhere)/ voidwatch / einherjar/ abyssea/ and just the vast majority of normal zones. So there are no charmable monsters in the game, functionally, since there are no charmable monsters in any zone anyone spends any time in. Even in events that take place in normal zones full of charmables, such as voidwatch and field parchment fights, the confrontation status effect disables the charm ability. (because you cannot act on non confrontation enemies)

Will I simply go charm a buffalo, giggle to myself, then leave it and forget this adjustment? Or is SE going to remember that ability BST has had since level 1 when designing content?

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Furthermore, we'd like to see beastmasters shed their reputation as lone wolves by endowing their pets with more abilities that provide assistance to party members.

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Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor. Do not redo Avatar's Favor.

Seriously, do not make us weaken our pets to buff the party. Have the party enhancements be ready moves. Have the party enhancements be a job ability. Have them expend an item, (that is cheap and stacks to 99) I don't care. We're already weak enough, do not weaken us further just for a party buff.

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A new ability to call forth pets that, like the avatars Odin and Alexander, immediately use their characteristic ability then disappear.

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Choco-meteor/ white wind (full hp/mp refill)/ 10,000 needles anyone? Don't even care if I have to use familiar first to do that.

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Adding more pet-specific abilities.

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If we're a WAR that focuses on pets instead of wepaons, a pet specific berserk/aggressor/bloodrage would be easiest. Spur was a good start. Don't weaken the master to enhance the pets though, or you're going against your second previous sentence.

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Revising the effects of the Familiar ability.

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About damn time. All it does to jugs is max pet hp+10%. If the pet isn't at full health when you use it, it doesn't even refill the hp. Having your pet use it's 2 hour ability would be nice. Ex. Perfect dodge for yuly, hundred fists for merle, mighty strikes for everything else really, all of our current jugs are WAR.

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Weapon skill refinements

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Please, oh please be talking about cloudsplitter!

Who's bright Idea was it to make an empyrian ws weaker than Primal rend? How is the nyzul ws stronger than the one on a weapon that beats relics? When every other empyrian ws reliably does 2k-5k damage (with occasional 10k damage ukko's) how is an 800 damage ws at all acceptable? And it does half that on anything with magic defense bonus/lightning resistance/ shell. Raging axe does more damage most of the time, for Pete's sake! You know, the level 1 WS?

It's not like elemental ws's suck. Primal rend does about 100-200 more than cloudsplitter, and I'd be happy with that. Hell, you'd be hard pressed to do less than 1500 with wildfire. Bump cloudplitter up to 1200 damage naked with no atmas, or just make it physical damage, please!

I'm curious why jobs defined as "hybrid" jobs don't operate on stances to divide their capabilities. PLD and DRK have both consistently been the most confused jobs in application, despite being a couple of the most obvious jobs in what they're meant to be.

Both PLD and DRK should have a magical/support/survival stance, along with a melee/attack/offense stance.

While playing DRK (and I assume the same holds true for PLD), I feel like a have a ton of superfluous abilities and spells and none of them quite get the job done. Instead of having all of that fluff at once, the job should definitely be broken into two categories where a DRK is allowed to fit one role or the other, but now actually accomplish it well.

One stance should allow the DRK to play a support role and take care of itself against weaker enemies. Making Dread Spikes last longer (wouldn't hurt to nerf the spell beforehand), Stuns more readily available, and spells more useful in general while gaining a weak Refresh and Casting Time- along with a Store TP- and Weapon Delay+ or something. Could also lock out some abilities, like Souleater. This is the stance where Elemental Weapon Skills could surpass Physical Weapon Skills, where the Elemental Weapon Skills might gain a small boost and Physical Weapon Skills a noticeable decline in damage- perhaps through a reduction to Attack.

The other stance could focus on the small aspects of the job that are hurting its melee endeavors at the moment. Spells like Dread Spikes could be locked, and all spells could be given a longer recast time. Here the DRK should get a boost to Critical Attack Rate (the job screams critical attacks in the first place- it's supposed to deal spike damage)- this should definitely apply to Weapon Skills, since that's the priority. The idea with this stance is purely physical damage. The DRK could be required to stand anywhere but in front of the enemy for this stance (not meant to make it hit even harder against weaker opponents- the other stance is for soloing), and gain an enmity reduction to top the stance off and make it worth using in a party.

The 'solo' stance for PLD should allow it to dispatch enemies more readily, while the 'party' stance should grant it some form of damage reduction (or something) to make it on par (and possibly better, through magical damage reduction) with NIN.


I doubt it should be applied exactly as I posted, but I think the general idea (both for PLD and DRK) is necessary at this point. They seem to be getting jostled all over the place with random abilities that the players either do not want or can not use.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

The idiots burned through a thousand posts without naming a single relevant mob that SMN couldn't cap accuracy on, without sushi. They have resurrected the lie here with the random number "75%." Good for them. It's time for them to shave their heads and make a religion out of it.

Let's let this thread die too.

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You have burned thru 500+ posts without proving a damn thing about why you are deluded into thinking you are the best.

Besides, you still haven't answered my question. What is the hardest mob you have soloed? Why are you afraid of answering that question? Is it because the answer truly is Bubbly Bernie?

75% is not a lie, its about the accuracy rate a melee with an A- weapon would have on an IT naked of everything but their weapon. Which is the accuracy rate you would have with the best melee gear possible with your staff. Unless you want to state that you have better accuracy rate than that, then prove it. Abyssea buffs don't count because I'm not talking about just one content, I'm talking about them all.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Works perfectly to melee on Alfard though. As always you got to pick your mobs. Most would claim you feed too much TP though, so regardless of NM, they want you away from it. SE really needs to make SMN completely TP free, so we don't have to listen to the whining of others. We are perfectly capable of whining ourselves, you know.

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Hope you are meleeing on the tail, and not in front though.

Although, cap enmity and you are dead. Not even 2k HP buffs can save you there when you have the def of a soggy paper bag.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

It would be nice if they gave our avatars Subtle blow traits, our make them BLM/MNK or something that improves their DPS.

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That would be very nice.

But consider this, a back line SMN with Cure IV is basically a MNK without Victory Smite but elemental damage "WS" instead that can do upwards to 11k constantly, but can also help cure others and doesn't need a raise if dead, nor is weakened after "reviving." The only thing this type of MNK can't do is counter.

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Originally Posted by Selzak

I'm curious why jobs defined as "hybrid" jobs don't operate on stances to divide their capabilities. PLD and DRK have both consistently been the most confused jobs in application, despite being a couple of the most obvious jobs in what they're meant to be.

Both PLD and DRK should have a magical/support/survival stance, along with a melee/attack/offense stance.

While playing DRK (and I assume the same holds true for PLD), I feel like a have a ton of superfluous abilities and spells and none of them quite get the job done. Instead of having all of that fluff at once, the job should definitely be broken into two categories where a DRK is allowed to fit one role or the other, but now actually accomplish it well.

One stance should allow the DRK to play a support role and take care of itself against weaker enemies. Making Dread Spikes last longer (wouldn't hurt to nerf the spell beforehand), Stuns more readily available, and spells more useful in general while gaining a weak Refresh and Casting Time- along with a Store TP- and Weapon Delay+ or something. Could also lock out some abilities, like Souleater. This is the stance where Elemental Weapon Skills could surpass Physical Weapon Skills, where the Elemental Weapon Skills might gain a small boost and Physical Weapon Skills a noticeable decline in damage- perhaps through a reduction to Attack.

The other stance could focus on the small aspects of the job that are hurting its melee endeavors at the moment. Spells like Dread Spikes could be locked, and all spells could be given a longer recast time. Here the DRK should get a boost to Critical Attack Rate (the job screams critical attacks in the first place- it's supposed to deal spike damage)- this should definitely apply to Weapon Skills, since that's the priority. The idea with this stance is purely physical damage. The DRK could be required to stand anywhere but in front of the enemy for this stance (not meant to make it hit even harder against weaker opponents- the other stance is for soloing), and gain an enmity reduction to top the stance off and make it worth using in a party.

The 'solo' stance for PLD should allow it to dispatch enemies more readily, while the 'party' stance should grant it some form of damage reduction (or something) to make it on par (and possibly better, through magical damage reduction) with NIN.


I doubt it should be applied exactly as I posted, but I think the general idea (both for PLD and DRK) is necessary at this point. They seem to be getting jostled all over the place with random abilities that the players either do not want or can not use.

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wow your just repeating a bunch of ideas I posted in my "How to fix drk" thread. The problem is SE isn't listening to what I originally posted, just taken one thing they liked (The part in the magic stance that increased magic att and ele ws damage) and saying to hell with the rest for balance issues. I think in general SE needs to start actually listening to everything we have to say.

P.S. Korpg you made a mistake on your post about how ridiculous it is to ask thf to heal when ppl ask smn to heal. Check Carby out for his heal BP's and also /sch gives yopu ridiculously high heal skill for not having any native and you got tons of mp.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

wow your just repeating a bunch of ideas I posted in my "How to fix drk" thread. The problem is SE isn't listening to what I originally posted, just taken one thing they liked (The part in the magic stance that increased magic att and ele ws damage) and saying to hell with the rest for balance issues. I think in general SE needs to start actually listening to everything we have to say.

P.S. Korpg you made a mistake on your post about how ridiculous it is to ask thf to heal when ppl ask smn to heal. Check Carby out for his heal BP's and also /sch gives yopu ridiculously high heal skill for not having any native and you got tons of mp.

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healing skill doesn't really effect any of the healing magic subjobs offer us and /sch for healing is dead in the water unless they make it so we get Cure IV from it

So you can spam Cure 3 with your awesome B+ healing skill and use Carbuncle once every 45 seconds really?

If Smn is going to be healing they'll be tied to /Whm period.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

P.S. Korpg you made a mistake on your post about how ridiculous it is to ask thf to heal when ppl ask smn to heal. Check Carby out for his heal BP's and also /sch gives yopu ridiculously high heal skill for not having any native and you got tons of mp.

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Curing Waltz III is better than Cure III, instantanous, and doesn't cost anything but TP. Which you get from whacking a mob, not resting on your rump so you can still do your job while "main heal."

I still stand by my example. Asking SMN to main heal is the same as asking a THF to main heal.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Curing Waltz III is better than Cure III, instantanous, and doesn't cost anything but TP. Which you get from whacking a mob, not resting on your rump so you can still do your job while "main heal."

I still stand by my example. Asking SMN to main heal is the same as asking a THF to main heal.

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tl;dr
I'm a SMN and I hate being asked to heal.

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Originally Posted by Selzak

tl;dr
I'm a SMN and I hate being asked to heal.

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3 lines is tl;dr?

Besides, if I wanted to main heal, I'll come as WHM, not SMN.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

healing skill doesn't really effect any of the healing magic subjobs offer us and /sch for healing is dead in the water unless they make it so we get Cure IV from it

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But it doesn't make the request as ridiculous as he makes it out to be, trust me I know Korpg we used to be in a shell together. But your right any job without cure 5 & 6 is a terrible healer and should never even attempt to heal in abyssea, hell even outside abyssea its gettin rough. SE should really allow SCH to have cure 5 & even cure 6, its not like sch gonna out perform whm as a healer, whm kicks ass at healing, which it should.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

But it doesn't make the request as ridiculous as he makes it out to be, trust me I know Korpg we used to be in a shell together. But your right any job without cure 5 & 6 is a terrible healer and should never even attempt to heal in abyssea, hell even outside abyssea its gettin rough. SE should really allow SCH to have cure 5 & even cure 6, its not like sch gonna out perform whm as a healer, whm kicks ass at healing, which it should.

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Cure IV can still be enough outside Abyssea, where HP pools aren't so overinflated. It's just a little more casting intensive

the way I read the changes, nothing was set in stone. They just gave us examples of stuff they might add/do. I think they are trying to make each job seem different with a clear role and play style. much like what they are doing for ff14.

Pretty much read the top part of the announcement. It does state something along the lines of "this isn't set in stone, take all info with a grain of salt."

I more or less didn't get what was writen. What the stuff I did understand, seemed pretty good.

I wouldn't assume the examples are official. More or less put to gage raction or to explain what they are wishing to do.


Stuff I would like to see though are:

A bit better melee skill for red mages. Red mage from what i know from final fantasy and the 2 tatics games (red mage=fencer) Always used their swords. Back when i started @ ps2 lauch I've also used my sword with red mage. I had no issue fighting with my group while casting my spells.

more automaton frames to be similar with ther various jobs of ffxi for puppetmaster (mostly for fun and different looks instead of the same 3)

I would like a new weapon added for dancer, pretty muchtaking a page out of eternal sonata. March and salsa were basicaly two dancers and used the hand to hand/ dual blade charkem (sp) style weapons. Similar to the ring like throwing disks, but with a handle. Pretty much in my eye a dancer can play just like a thf just with those buffer dances. There really is nothing unique. I think with its own weapon type and a new dance motion style of combat. I think this can give dancer a needed boost to set it self apart. :)

Anway that is my 2 cents.

I'm not really caring if anything I said will be added. Just felt like giving my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

But it doesn't make the request as ridiculous as he makes it out to be, trust me I know Korpg we used to be in a shell together. But your right any job without cure 5 & 6 is a terrible healer and should never even attempt to heal in abyssea, hell even outside abyssea its gettin rough. SE should really allow SCH to have cure 5 & even cure 6, its not like sch gonna out perform whm as a healer, whm kicks ass at healing, which it should.

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Out of all the times we were together, how many of them was I a main heal? I didn't have WHM done until very recently, and I only had RDM75 for the longest. SMN for even longer than RDM.

But yeah, my example still stands, you shouldn't ask a job to be a main heal based on its subjob capabilities. THF/DNC example still stands.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Out of all the times we were together, how many of them was I a main heal? I didn't have WHM done until very recently, and I only had RDM75 for the longest. SMN for even longer than RDM.

But yeah, my example still stands, you shouldn't ask a job to be a main heal based on its subjob capabilities. THF/DNC example still stands.

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True you didn't main heal for us on smn but your still missing the point.

Smn curative abilities:
Healing Ruby I & II
Regen for avatar favor Carby
Whispering Wind
Spring Water

for debate points:
Huge mp pool
Auto refresh II
The fact I have seen smn main heal parties before.

THF curative abilities:
N/A

Debate:
If sub dnc could use cure waltz

So you see smn actually has NATIVE CURATIVE ABILITIES, and thus would be more capable of healing or even main heal.
Thf has got NO NATIVE CURATIVE ABILITIES and thus to even consider it main heal is nothing short of a joke. Thus your point has become invalid. However if you were to say any group that relies on a smn main heal is a joke I would agree with you. But smn is much more viable as a main heal than thf whom has nothing to offer except /dnc which would be more effective on jobs that build tp faster like sam.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

People that don't play DRK, please don't try and weigh in on DRK changes and I will continue to not put ideas forth on your jobs

Dev/Reps, please read DRK forums, the people there, hate this elemental magic concept, please see Dark Magic for DRK enhancements

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Funny you say that when I see DRK threads in both the "general" and "other" forums. Why not keep it in the DRK thread?

Funny, as long as MP isn't an issue Smn/Whm is actually a better healer then Rdm atm.

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Originally Posted by Kwate

Funny you say that when I see DRK threads in both the "general" and "other" forums. Why not keep it in the DRK thread?

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Well in his defense SE doesn't read or care about the individual job threads.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

Smn curative abilities:
Healing Ruby I & II
Regen for avatar favor Carby
Whispering Wind
Spring Water

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So you see smn actually has NATIVE CURATIVE ABILITIES, and thus would be more capable of healing or even main heal.

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The stigma came about way before favors and the other stuff came into the game. Keeping an avatar out in those days was a guaranteed MP deficit, unless it was specifically carby (at which point all you could do was sic and healing ruby every minute), and you had carby mitts with a HQ light staff. What pushed SMNs to healing was the MP pool and the WHM sub more than anything else.

Just curious why did you cut my post short of where I mentioned smns high mp and auto refresh?

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

Just curious why did you cut my post short of where I mentioned smns high mp and auto refresh?

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You listed those as debatable. That led me to believe the crux of your argument was the curative abilities alone. If I was mistaken, then I apologize.

Well I listed them as debatable because they were mostly as points to support /healer and not so much the jobs own capabilities. I know the stigma first came before favor's but my point was that smn has native curing and thf doesn't which in turn makes it more viable for smn to be a healer than thf. I personally took about 4 years to lvl smn from 1-30 because I just kept getting fed up with not being able to use it as a smn, something SE has still to this day failed to fix on smn might I add. I spent forever trying to keep my smn magic skill capped and eventually I just gave up.

Somehow, I don't think that having a weak cure every 45 seconds is considered a native healing ability.

Even with Favor maxed out, +22 Regen isn't all to sneeze with. But the time it takes to get to 22 Regen plus not being able to BP at all until you hit that 22 Regen (otherwise have to start all over) kindof sucks.

So, we are left with /WHM and Cure IV. Which means that SMN has about as much healing ability as a THF does.

*I swear some of these talking points go from having a shelf life to possessing a half-life rivaling Uranium(236). 7 years later and non-Summoners are STILL peddling this lunacy about large MP reserve = healer? The farther away from /WHM the job moves, the more I'll like it. I like that the avatars and their multifaceted talents are the main attraction and I hope S-E keeps it that way regardless of what the ignorant playerbase conjures up in its collective mind.

*At the risk of contradicting myself, all I have to say to Dark Knights regarding S-E's vision is can it. If all you see in your job is swinging a Scythe/Great Sword and barely touching your spells, you missed the point of the job entirely. This vision takes away any excuse you have not to use magic--don't even bother running out that "Casting lowers my DPS" line because that min-max garbage doesn't interest me at all.

*I'd like to know a little more about what S-E intends to do with BST before I make a judgement. This vision seems a little too vague, which makes me uneasy.

*I'm a little curious how S-E is going to get Blue Mages to learn these HNM spells they hope to put into play. It's not like one can just go out and play with Fafnir in the hopes of learning Spike Flail, which I seriously doubt will be the spell learned from Wyrms. I hope that this signals the abolishment of the 21-24 hour spawn cycle. Otherwise this will not go over well even with KSNM substitutes.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

*I'm a little curious how S-E is going to get Blue Mages to learn these HNM spells they hope to put into play. It's not like one can just go out and play with Fafnir in the hopes of learning Spike Flail, which I seriously doubt will be the spell learned from Wyrms. I hope that this signals the abolishment of the 21-24 hour spawn cycle. Otherwise this will not go over well even with KSNM substitutes.

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There are wyrms and adamantoises in tharhongi and a nm behemoth in la theine. there are 2 force popped hydras and cerberi in grauberg and altepa. There are khimairas in ulegrande and a nm khimaira. It's not a problem.

In abyssea spike flail on a couple is easier to deal with then the rest of wyrms tp moves and annoying crap they do.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

In abyssea its easier to deal with.

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Fixed this for you.
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Originally Posted by Korpg

Somehow, I don't think that having a weak cure every 45 seconds is considered a native healing ability.

Even with Favor maxed out, +22 Regen isn't all to sneeze with. But the time it takes to get to 22 Regen plus not being able to BP at all until you hit that 22 Regen (otherwise have to start all over) kindof sucks.

So, we are left with /WHM and Cure IV. Which means that SMN has about as much healing ability as a THF does.

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Ok so a job with native curing ability is as good of a healer as a job with no native curing ability? If you say yes to this than you admit your an idiot. I've always known this aspect about you, your completely blind to the truth when you love a job. Smn should never be a main heal, but unfortunately it can work as a main heal outside abyssea, and due to SE's severe lack of doing anything with the job this is the role its been forced to do over the years. I would love to see them do something right with smn but unfortunately smn is in the same boat as pup, SE just doesn't understand.

Did they change favors? I'm pretty sure it was "BP and you halve your favor potency", not that you could wait it to cap out and then keep it capped.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

What is keeping you from making your RDM into being a great melee?

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Originally Posted by Supersun

Being forced to still wear lvl 75 armor for 90% of my gear?

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Tack on:

- Lack of WS access outside of extremely sub-optimal job set ups
- Lack of mechanics to properly support melee as a choice for RDM players outside of soloing and campaign
- Lack of Utility or other means through which to justify front-lining
- Lack of front line utility in general

Gear is also a part of it. Oh how I wish the Estoqueur's set had melee stats on some if not all pieces.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Gear is also a part of it. Oh how I wish the Estoqueur's set had melee stats on some if not all pieces.

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Because we all play RDM the same?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Because we all play RDM the same?

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Oh, I didn't know the crapton of mage gear that has been tossed at us pre and ever during abyssea aside from AF3 didn't count. Besides, 2/3 mage AF and 1/3 melee AF would have been nice. Then again, a lot of us were hoping that empyrean armor followed a system similar to the magian weapons, specially after the whole "unlocking the power of this gear will involve magian trials" bit. Jobs like RDM would have had a melee and caster routes, PLD would have probably gotten damage dealer and tank routes and so on.

RDM AF3 is awesome. The fact that it's such powerful mage armor, combined with the Vision announcement on the job, speaks volumes to what [most people] and the Devs already agree on.

@stingray104 Yes, WHM is "the Healer" but saying a summoner shouldn't main heal is a little off the mark. A summoner alone, yes I agree 100% they shouldn't heal. However, if you factor in carbuncle and/or light spirit, them no.

It's the avatar/spirit that becomes the healer not the summoner. The summoner is just a vessel for the power of the avatar/spirit and is limited by MP pool. There shouldn't be any limit imposed on the avatar/spirit, and they should easily match a WHM and BLM abilities provided they manage MP properly.
At earlier levels this balance was held between summoner vs BLM and WHM. Later in game, SE lost focus and perspective of the job summoner. They decided to make it more of a solo'rs job and lost nearly all party effects or party balance...or so it seems to me. This is reflected in the lack of actual Bloodpacts and wards.

RDM has a lack of WS options?

Get Chant du Cygne.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

RDM has a lack of WS options?

Get Chant du Cygne.

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Fix through gear, thus meaningless in terms of base design of the class. And why should we put up with Fast Blade (discount lolSavage Blade) as the only useful sword WS we get until we complete an empyrean at lv90? We're supposed to be proficient with swords and yet we miss out on the bread and butter WS in the leveling process.