Legion still sucks.

So basically they are trying to buy time, will not do anything till content is completely abandoned. I mean who in their right mind creating content that is shun by the majority of the players. As developers, your goal is to create contents that are embraced by all of your current subscribers regardless of their skills or gears. Oh right, we are talking about a different group here... I forgot that the good one is migrated to FF14.

startegies ? Lol it's perfect defense. Can the devs answer us as to wether they are expecting us to clear this with perfect defense ?



Also yes the problem the devs are aknowleging only now have been pointed out right when it was first released on the test server, so we lost 6 months ? The lack of reward were mentionned one weak after release.

Tell us what drops so that you we have an incentive. I triple dog dare you.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Embrava + Perfect Defense + Zerg with a sprinkling of Chainspell stun is not a strategy and that's the only thing that anyone has found that works. You can't have any other viable strats when you need to kill something with instant KO AoEs and 100k hp in less than 3 minutes.

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Now, I'm totally with you on Legion being unnecessarily difficult, but during the test event, our group never got hit by anything so strong it was essentially instant KO (We did the 3kings battle with a mostly random group and reached the 2nd wave).

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

[..] Not to mention that the drop rates for Arise and Meteor are higher than the Provenance Watcher battle.

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This is not correct.
Provenance: You shout for 17 other people (or gather together with your linkshell) and go kill dragon. Arise/Meteor drops (or not)
Legion: You shout for 17 (or 35, hahaha) other people (or gather together with your linkshell) and go fight Legion monsters. You wipe; if you are good, you wipe at or just after second wave.
Rinse and repat.

Guess who's going to see Arise/Meteor in their lot pool sooner/more often.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Now, I'm totally with you on Legion being unnecessarily difficult, but during the test event, our group never got hit by anything so strong it was essentially instant KO (We did the 3kings battle with a mostly random group and reached the 2nd wave).

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How long did you take to reach the second wave? Timing is the problem with Legion and when you have 6 more mobs to go and take 15-20mins to clear 3HNMs the only strategy really is to mindlessly rush in damage frantically trying to beat the clock. You have no time to absorb the content or explore turtling HNMs because you will time out, lose your gil and waste everyones time.

Mired Mantis among others (like Iron Giant and Harpeia) can oneshot you and melee rounds from Legion mobs are no joke. With little recourse other than pressing forth the event caters itself to a fast-paced climate few jobs can survive in. Lets face it, FFXI is not a fast paced MMO and many of the jobs were built around slow-paced gameplay.

I know the community reps are just telling us what the devs think but I'm not buying the strategy argument when you have 9 mobs to clear in 30mins. You barely have enough time to formulate a strategy nevermind execute one with the time given.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Looking at the current situation in-game for Legion we understand that it is difficult to gather participants and the content itself is quite challenging.

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Actually, the impression I have is that the content itself isn't very difficult. You need the right jobs using the right abilities/weapons at the right times, and other than that there is very little "difficulty" involved in that your win/loss ratio won't really be determined by player skill.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Regarding the rewards, we feel it is a bit early to judge whether they are sufficient or not for this content. As progress is made in Legion more and more equipment will be accessible for exchange through Legion points and there are also a wide variety of special new weapons that are only obtainable within Legion. Not to mention that the drop rates for Arise and Meteor are higher than the Provenance Watcher battle.

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I can save you some time. If you were attempting to make an event that's accessible or desired by the majority of the game population, you failed and need to introduce better rewards. Very few people that are not currently in large LSs want to return to them just so they can do Legion, considering the rewards are so useless/mediocre. There also appears to be some misunderstanding here, because Arise and Meteor are both fairly mediocre rewards. The Pulse weapons are generally worse than 99 Relic/Mythic/Empyreans. If you were aiming to put some big incentive in the event, you missed it. There are some minor upgrades to situational mage gear and abjurations / abjuration augmentation items.

Speaking of abjurations, I currently have a near-monopoly on Foreboding abjuration hexed items on Lakshmi. I sell something like three per week (synth something like 10), and I have to date sold 0 pieces of Hexed gear that use Legion Abjurations. That is how popular the event is. I'm about to become tier 1 on Hexed Nails (quite possibly the first person across servers) and I'm not even sure I should make them. I'm almost entirely certain that I should not be bothering to skill Alchemy, but I'm bored and don't want another special weapon.

It's starting to smell like an AV excuse/hint in here.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey everyone,

Looking at the current situation in-game for Legion we understand that it is difficult to gather participants and the content itself is quite challenging.

Regarding the rewards, we feel it is a bit early to judge whether they are sufficient or not for this content. As progress is made in Legion more and more equipment will be accessible for exchange through Legion points and there are also a wide variety of special new weapons that are only obtainable within Legion. Not to mention that the drop rates for Arise and Meteor are higher than the Provenance Watcher battle.

We will continue to monitor the situation, but we would ultimately like to see players progress through this content a bit by forming good strategies before we do anything with the reward system.

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The truth of the matter is that FFXI does not have nearly as many people as it used to. Having large-scale events is no longer feasible this late in the game's life. Not to mention that going from personal pools that make content pick-up friendly to one shared loot pool for 18-36 people does not make it very appealing to people trying to build groups.

As for the drops, did we miss any? Even this list (which is everything from the March update for which was not otherwise accounted), a few pieces are nice, some are situational, and the rest vary between not very good to outright inferior to gear that is widely available. Meteor and Arise having a better drop rate than in Provenance is nice and all, but doubling or tripling a rate that is terribad is still fairly terribad. (By the way, make sure to congratulate the Dev team on making sure to hold up their promise that not every WHM would have Arise, they overshot their expectations.)

The best strategy for this content is for us to just ignore Legion until the Dev team realizes this isn't a CoP-era game anymore and try to move it to something that reflects the current status of the game.

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Originally Posted by Septimus

As for the drops, did we miss any?

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I love how the DEVs try to say the drops are good, like we have no idea what the drops are. Does this event secretly drop defending rings and cursed breastplate -1s or something?

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I love how the DEVs try to say the drops are good, like we have no idea what the drops are. Does this event secretly drop defending rings and cursed breastplate -1s or something?

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If you kill Paramount Botulus he can drop up to 4 Ebodies.

This may be against popular belief but I'm with the dev's on this one. Legion is still pretty new and not a lot of people are doing it because they aren't seeing immediate results. Do you think the first group to run AV was successful? Absolutely not, even today he can still be quite the challenge. I think more people need to get into it first. I will agree that getting 36 people together to run it is darn near impossible though. Perhaps that could be tweaked a tad or introduce some sort of non-sucky NPC comrades, similar to Besieged.

AV in his heyday had good drops worth dedicating resources to in addition to the internet celebrity that came with being in an LS capable of even attempting to take him down. Legion has mediocre drops that the AH rivals, awards nothing for failure (least JOL had Novios) and relies on one strategy to realistically win.

There is no comparison.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey everyone,



We will continue to monitor the situation, but we would ultimately like to see players progress through this content a bit by forming good strategies before we do anything with the reward system.

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unless their is some gimmik to get TE, weaken next wave, .. (by killing in a specific order, Ying-yang style, using related 2h after some move...) embrava/PD zerg is the best strategi people can use to kill tho most monster before time out

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey everyone,

Looking at the current situation in-game for Legion we understand that it is difficult to gather participants and the content itself is quite challenging.

Regarding the rewards, we feel it is a bit early to judge whether they are sufficient or not for this content. As progress is made in Legion more and more equipment will be accessible for exchange through Legion points and there are also a wide variety of special new weapons that are only obtainable within Legion. Not to mention that the drop rates for Arise and Meteor are higher than the Provenance Watcher battle.

We will continue to monitor the situation, but we would ultimately like to see players progress through this content a bit by forming good strategies before we do anything with the reward system.

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Let's be honest here, there is no "working" stratagy that dosn't consist of abusing SCH and SMN 2 hour, because that is the ONLY way to even have a chance in legion. and even then they are also limited by time. even if there was a ":normal" way of doing this event, you will most likely time out, because you don't get time to "rest and recover" it's a zerg fest.

are the DEVs expecting everyone to be top notch, flawless players? and what's even more insulting is that most if not all the rewards are lack-luster an entire LS can get arise and Metor from dragon before they see even 1 in legion from an area that is un-winnable because of time limits or severly heavy Aoe Nms.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

The Pulse weapons are generally worse than 99 Relic/Mythic/Empyreans. If you were aiming to put some big incentive in the event, you missed it. There are some minor upgrades to situational mage gear and abjurations / abjuration augmentation items.

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This. I honestly have no idea id the DEVs read player feeback but arise is garbage. It's a trophy item that is essentially useless. A 4th raise spell for a whm? useless . Gives player a reraise effect? lol. Even if it gave raise ga to all PC in a 50' range i wouldnt buy it unless it removes weakness and insntant cure everyone.

Meteor isnt garbage but its useless.. because you need 5~6 BLM to use it efficiently.

Arise beeing garbage, nobody wanting 18/36 man events has been repeated here over and over, legion failing has been said since its introduction on test server. Listen to your players.

Edit: and the pulse weapons make me laugh. They were presented several months ago as weapons of awsomeness. A recent test proved the dagger's spacial effect is terribly underwhelming. at 95 cap a basica magian STR killa was on par, and 99 cap it is bad. The first pulse weapon was Sagasinger? did the dev actually thing anyone in their rigth mind would go after it? It has nothing special except pulsing. Also I killed ADL 120 times i believe and only got one with TH2.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey everyone,

Looking at the current situation in-game for Legion we understand that it is difficult to gather participants and the content itself is quite challenging.

Regarding the rewards, we feel it is a bit early to judge whether they are sufficient or not for this content. As progress is made in Legion more and more equipment will be accessible for exchange through Legion points and there are also a wide variety of special new weapons that are only obtainable within Legion. Not to mention that the drop rates for Arise and Meteor are higher than the Provenance Watcher battle.

We will continue to monitor the situation, but we would ultimately like to see players progress through this content a bit by forming good strategies before we do anything with the reward system.

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Oki,

I understand your just providing us feedback from the developers, we're not here to shoot the messenger.

Whomever is providing you with your information has no idea how to play this game, I would seriously question both their mental capacity and their sanity.

Currently Legion is nothing but nine super buffed NMs that have stupid amounts of HP and incredibly bad drop rates on even worse loot. The only NMs worth doing are the final ones and with only 30m to clear them the only strategy is to use Embrava and Perfect Defense for every NM.

If the developers have designed some other "strategy" element, then it is not working. It is possible a bug in the code is preventing any form of this "strategy" element from manifesting itself and the NMs are instead in full on rampage mode. The developers should re-examine their code to determine if it is actually working as intended, and if so they need to re-evaluate how they expect anyone to be capable of killing nine NMs in 30m without using Embrava and Perfect Defense multiple times.

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This. I honestly have no idea id the DEVs read player feeback but arise is garbage. It's a trophy item that is essentially useless. A 4th raise spell for a whm? useless . Gives player a reraise effect? lol. Even if it gave raise ga to all PC in a 50' range i wouldnt buy it unless it removes weakness and insntant cure everyone.

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Yes..a 3 minute weakness +instant reraise on the person reciving it is useless..are you retarded? because no one ever dies, right? seriously, think before staying stupid BS like that.

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Meteor isnt garbage but its useless.. because you need 5~6 BLM to use it efficiently.

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Watch at least 3-4 blms use it together, it's restrictions to be good are high, but it is far from useless. and it is NONE ELEMENTAL which is the best part about it.

Neither one is garbage just because you don't have or can ever get.

Monchat's logic on Meteor is garbage is because you need multiple blms to cast it, it is only seriously accessible from Prov Watcher, and has a low drop rate, not to mention it will either be LS centric (if you do Prov with an LS) or it's a PUG, so it's either going to be locked by the leader (I have seen this) or FL, in which case the chances of a group of blms actually having and working together to cast Meteor is absurdly low. What's the point of having a spell that requires multiple blms to work, then make it incredibly hard to obtain? You can't seriously believe that makes sense.

Arise isn't worth either its price tag or its rarity.

Nothing from Prov watch is worth the time and rarity by that logic, saio is about the only real "decent" thing worth getting and even then its a minor upgrade, but it still stands that arise is more useful then meteor.

only stupid people buy either scrolls for double digit milions so it will never be worth the price tag people put on it. the only thing unattractive about arise is the MP cost for outside VW and abyssea.

you won't ever get enough blms to fully utilize meteor because other then overly rich jps most people who get the scroll sell it since gill is to hard to make for them. it would indeed have to be an LS thing.

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Yes..a 3 minute weakness +instant reraise on the person reciving it is useless..are you retarded? because no one ever dies, right? seriously, think before staying stupid BS like that.

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I confirm, it is useless. You know, X number of DDs will do much more damage (10x more?) in 10minute than X BLM using meteor. This limites the use of meteor to melee resistant mobs.

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I confirm, it is useless. You know, X number of DDs will do much more damage (10x more?) in 10minute than X BLM using meteor. This limites the use of meteor to melee resistant mobs.

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Yes, because DDs never die, or you will never, ever fight physcial resistant mobs or mobs who temporarly are immune to DDs period.

once again, just because you don't play these jobs, dosn't make them "useless" it is your opinion after all, it's a dumb one, but it''s still yours.

it is easy to call something for jobs you don't use useless.

I'd really like for them to come out and say what sort of player they designed recent events like Legion around. What does SE expect us to have in order to be productive in Legion? Are all DD expected to have 99 R/M/E with Afterglow? Should everyone be sporting level 100 Neo-Nyzul gear? Is it supposed to be doable by a group of players whose gear comes from Abyssea and the AH? Seriously... Tell us what you want from us...

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I'd really like for them to come out and say what sort of player they designed recent events like Legion around. What does SE expect us to have in order to be productive in Legion? Are all DD expected to have 99 R/M/E with Afterglow? Should everyone be sporting level 100 Neo-Nyzul gear? Is it supposed to be doable by a group of players whose gear comes from Abyssea and the AH? Seriously... Tell us what you want from us...

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I stated it in a previous post, they seem to expect everyone to be flawless players for legion, which is impossible.

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I stated it in a previous post, they seem to expect everyone to be flawless players for legion, which is impossible.

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You really shouldn't argue with pchain or mdkuser.
You're lowering yourself.

Theyre entertainment for message boards, nothing more.

Just point and laugh and enjoy the show lol.

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I confirm, it is useless. You know, X number of DDs will do much more damage (10x more?) in 10minute than X BLM using meteor. This limites the use of meteor to melee resistant mobs.

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Because BLMs would never do ANYTHING AT ALL between meteor casts.

Do you realize just how strong a 6 man meteor is? It can do massive damage even to NMs. It's totally worth having in the rare and unlikely event you can actually find 6 people who have the spell.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Because BLMs would never do ANYTHING AT ALL between meteor casts.

Do you realize just how strong a 6 man meteor is? It can do massive damage even to NMs. It's totally worth having in the rare and unlikely event you can actually find 6 people who have the spell.

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I rarely agree with Pchan and co. but in this situation he is actually in the right.

What event at this point warrants a 6man meteor? Further, what event will allow you to take six BLMs without losing crucial procs (or other jobs) in the process? Sure, the sight of a huge damage splooge on an NM is great and all but where would this be practical? Given the rarity of the spell, finding 6 Meteor capable BLMs would be a quest in itself.

Arise is a nifty spell but its a luxury for any group that isnt expecting massive casualties and the entire reraise effect can be replicated through temp items or AHables readily available by most. While I'd love to have it in my WHM arsenal, it's nothing spectacularly gamechanging.

When the two scrolls SE keeps waving around as worth braving the hells of Legion for aren't even head and shoulders above everything else (like Empyrean WS or merit WS were) then we have an issue and that's not even taking into account that those two spells only offer incentive to WHMs and BLMs.

Why is this even an issue? Obviously, both Arise and Meteor are luxury items. I could say the same thing about most 99 R/M/E's which have minor stat increases from their 95 counterparts. So really, in the end, what's the point? People want their luxury items.

Does casting Arise change the way I WHM? Of course not. But it's nice to give someone a free RR3. The shortened weakness timer is only truly useful if every WHM you are playing with has it, otherwise you will always be waiting on someone to unweak the full 5 minutes.

Does casting Meteor change the way someone would BLM? Of course not. But it could speed up some older events and some newer events.

If people are are going to outright declare things useless, they might want to focus that lens on some of the stuff they go after that people might deem luxury items.

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Why is this even an issue? Obviously, both Arise and Meteor are luxury items. I could say the same thing about most 99 R/M/E's which have minor stat increases from their 95 counterparts. So really, in the end, what's the point? People want their luxury items.

Does casting Arise change the way I WHM? Of course not. But it's nice to give someone a free RR3. The shortened weakness timer is only truly useful if every WHM you are playing with has it, otherwise you will always be waiting on someone to unweak the full 5 minutes.

Does casting Meteor change the way someone would BLM? Of course not. But it could speed up some older events and some newer events.

If people are are going to outright declare things useless, they might want to focus that lens on some of the stuff they go after that people might deem luxury items.

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Its an issue because SE keeps pointing to those two items as if they are capable of defining the event, even though Provanence Watcher drops them and takes far less trouble to do battle with. If you aren't a WHM or BLM the primary motivator is completely worthless to you yet this is somehow going to drive interest? How?

Dynamis doesn't solely revolve around getting 99 Relic items, Voidwatch doesn't revolve around solely getting HMPs (sadly) and Mythics are tucked away in level 75 content that isnt bothering anyone yet SE thinks two luxury items that already exist on easier content qualifies as proper motivation worthy of revolving content on? Yeah, the base has spoken volumes on what they think of that.

Saying Legion has a higher drop rate is even more amusing given the scrolls likely drop off the final wave in the final wing of Legion against what one could only speculate is a Provanence Watcher clone. Even if the Paramount Avatar isn't the Crystal Dragon, you've still got a Botulus and a Gallu (Ig-Alima) to deal with which could only mean... more Perfect Defense and Embravas than you can shake a stick at.

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Hey everyone,

Looking at the current situation in-game for Legion we understand that it is difficult to gather participants and the content itself is quite challenging.

Regarding the rewards, we feel it is a bit early to judge whether they are sufficient or not for this content. As progress is made in Legion more and more equipment will be accessible for exchange through Legion points and there are also a wide variety of special new weapons that are only obtainable within Legion. Not to mention that the drop rates for Arise and Meteor are higher than the Provenance Watcher battle.

We will continue to monitor the situation, but we would ultimately like to see players progress through this content a bit by forming good strategies before we do anything with the reward system.

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Oki, it is my opinion that Legion rewards are insufficient for the level of challenge posed by the content. Someone summarized it nicely when they said that the devs have essentially put Voidwatch/Walk of Echoes-level rewards into an event requiring Neo-Nyzul amounts of effort. While a small percentage of these drops would be attractive if they came from other venues, currently Legion is too unbalanced because the level of challenge instituted here should result in rewards on par with those of Neo-Nyzul. If the Legion drops are not going to be changed, I would recommend lowering the difficulty to at least something like Walk of Echoes and increasing the time limit.

Regarding "forming good strategies", currently the only viable strategy due to the extreme time limit is PD/Embrava zergs. Even the lower 4 chambers required a group to beat 7 NM's in 30 minutes, which can only realistically be achieved via PD/Embrava zerg. The final chamber appears to have something like 11 NM's that must be beaten in the same time limit, including a Botulus Rex and Ig-Alima clone. This would not be fair in Voidwatch and so it should not be fair here.

While some have argued that events requiring large groups are not viable, the relative success of Voidwatch does not really do much to serve that argument. Reading between the lines, I think people want more incentive to do Legion in PUGs, as the loot system currently only serves LS play. Certain tweaks could make the event more amenable to pickup group play, such as (i) decreasing the difficulty such that not all the monsters require ideal alliance setups for PD/Embrava zergs, (ii) making many more drops purchasable by Legion points, and (iii) putting in additional common items of value like Heavy Metal, Riftxxx items, and Alexandrite.

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Its an issue because SE keeps pointing to those two items as if they are capable of defining the event, even though Provanence Watcher drops them and takes far less trouble to do battle with. If you aren't a WHM or BLM the primary motivator is completely worthless to you yet this is somehow going to drive interest? How?

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I meant why is the utility/non-utility of Arise and Meteor even an issue. Was talking about the people debating the merits of the scrolls themselves.

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I rarely agree with Pchan and co. but in this situation he is actually in the right.

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He's really not in the right. Meteor is good enough to be used. Legion for one, doesn't have procs (thank god), so once you have it, I could see it being used. Buuuut....

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Given the rarity of the spell, finding 6 Meteor capable BLMs would be a quest in itself.

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This is the only problem, and this point is one I agree with. You make a spell that requires multiple players to be useful, then you go and make the spell so rare that finding people who have it in order to use it is so hard it becomes not useable.

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those two spells only offer incentive to WHMs and BLMs.

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I agree with this as well. They could have at least come up with some rare spells for every other job with MP. Holyga or Ultima for PLD maybe? Reflect for RDM?

In short I don't agree with your comments about the spells themselves, they're good spells. I do agree with some of your other points.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Because BLMs would never do ANYTHING AT ALL between meteor casts.

Do you realize just how strong a 6 man meteor is? It can do massive damage even to NMs. It's totally worth having in the rare and unlikely event you can actually find 6 people who have the spell.

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ok they will cast other spell inbetween. You d not know that BLM is a weak DD job? even if they were casting spells non stop they are limited by their MP, unlike DDs. So i correct myself and 6 DDS will do 7x more damage than 6 BLM and not 10x.

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He's really not in the right. Meteor is good enough to be used. Legion for one, doesn't have procs (thank god), so once you have it, I could see it being used. Buuuut....

This is the only problem, and this point is one I agree with. You make a spell that requires multiple players to be useful, then you go and make the spell so rare that finding people who have it in order to use it is so hard it becomes not useable.

I agree with this as well. They could have at least come up with some rare spells for every other job with MP. Holyga or Ultima for PLD maybe? Reflect for RDM?

In short I don't agree with your comments about the spells themselves, they're good spells. I do agree with some of your other points.

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i would have beem happy with banish 4/5 and banishga4/5 but they somehow think those spell would be broken.... So intead they give you a useless and unattainable spell for most.

If you had a group of four good BLMs (which is probably about as many as you'd bring to Legion), it would be worth group-casting Meteor every time Manawell and ES were up. That's every 10 minutes. The related problems are:
1) Finding four good BLMs
2) with Meteor
3) for the only event in the game that tolerates bringing four BLMs.

...And even then, the damage isn't going to be that much better than four individual Thundajas that take no coordination. I love the Meteor mechanic. It looks awesome on the test server. Low drop rate and lack of events that call for it make it somewhat useless, though.

In 36 man legion a full meteor party would be pretty neat. CORs could random deal JAs back so you would just have to wait 5 minutes on the resistance to wear instead of 10 minutes unless you are only hitting one mob in which case you can just go again right away on a different target. Doesn't really matter though because 36 person legion is not gonna happen and you need all your extra slots for SMNs in 18 person.

1. I'm actually questioning why we can enter Legion with as few as 3 (or was it 6?) people. What's the point in that?

2. Personally I would never join a Legion shout group. Simply because the event is too difficult to risk going with people I don't know - I don't know what they are capable of, how well geared they are etc. Bad players are likely to cost the group the win. So basically, in my opinion Legion isn't pickup friendly at all, unlike voidwatch. Even moreso because we don't have the atmacite/temp items crutch to rely on. And as it is, my ls is struggling to gather 18 people - we do have more than 18 members but we are in all kinds of different timezones (JP, EU, PST, MST and EST), people work/study etc - all this makes it hard to gather 18 members and we usually have to rely on mule characters being brought too.

3. And yes, then there's the rewards. While I - with whm as one of my main jobs - do want Arise, I manage just fine without it. It would definitely be a trophy, nothing else, and I'd never ever buy the scroll for the ridiculous price I see it being bazaared for. Same goes for Meteor. As for the rest of the rewards? Only thing I really want is a Fulad-Zereh, and considering how unpopular and difficult Legion is, I know I will never get one.

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1. I'm actually questioning why we can enter Legion with as few as 3 (or was it 6?) people. What's the point in that?

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If you're pro enough you could kill one or two NMs with a small group to get some legion points or terrible drops.

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only stupid people buy either scrolls for double digit milions s.

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What? Don't you gimps know that 10 millions of today is one million of yesterday. If I wanted I could buy meteor (25M in bazars..) and arise. Thing is they are worthless. I mean 3 min weakness so what ? When will that be useful ? If at least it was aoe then you could say it's usefull on a wipe, but no. They are worth getting if you find them at the AH or in bazar for 10-20 M but honestly, doing provenance just for them is no worth anyone's time, and after seeing the devs post, they are seriously considering that it worth doing Legion over and over against unkillable mobs for a chance at them. Man... Legion drops are about as garbage as voidwatch, the difference is that VW provide riftcinder/dross/plates which lots of people are needing to get something that is ACTUALLY good, aka the best weapons in the game. If at least VW was the same as einherjar was at 75 : an alternative way to get drops from other events.

Idk ? Let the hnms drop stuff like marrow/scoria/Nyzul gear and maybe we will care to ettempt to perfect defense zerk it ¿

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What? Don't you gimps know that 10 millions of today is one million of yesterday.

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That's wrong, there was a time several years ago before gil sellers got their butts kicked that the economy was more inflated than it is now. Dynamis currencies were up to 30k or more for bronze and kclubs were in the hundreds of millions. Even that wasn't an inflation of 10x what the norm was prior.