Scholar as healer??

So right now I'm in Haukke Manor, (yes right now, fairy is pretty much auto piloting heals) and the Archer asked who the healer was. The Thaumaturge said I (Scholar) was. And I said I thought I was DPS (since Arcanist is) and the tank proceded to call me "retarded" (duty finder, go figure)
He said my job is to be healer primary, and support. now I know I can heal, but I've been dpsing since getting the scholar job, and have ran dungeons with conjurers and white mages as a scholar.
Am I mistaken in thinking I should focus on DPS first, heals second?
Or is my tank the "retarded" one?

Did you NOT see that big green healer role indicator by your name? what exactly did you think SCH did with a pet? i mean..you did look at her abilites, right?

SMN is the DPS of that trio. SCH is indeed a healer. they just can DOT as well.

Scholar is definitely a healer lol. Not sure how you were dpsing in your groups if you were using the duty finder... It always matches 1 tank 2 dps and 1 healer which you happen to be the healer. Now prior to 30, your class (arcanist) can only queue as dps, but once you become a summoner (dps) or scholar (healer) your role can change.

But if you are saying you were dpsing in your dungeons as a scholar post 30 then you are doing it wrong... very wrong.

Scholar is healer first. Summoner is dps first. This is where arcanist splits, even though they have skills of both. Having both isn't too difficult, and a good way to learn how both work. You also can only queue as a healer in the duty finder when a scholar, upper part of the panel where it says your role. Scholar has pretty good mp, the fairy can do some good healing, and i've seen scholars dps. In higher dungeons though, if you don't focus on healing, lots of wipes. If you want to dps, pick up thaum to level 15, and then summoner, it will take almost no time.

You probably had white mages and conjurers if the group was 8 as those have two healers.

SCH is a healer, SMN and ACN are DPS. You cannot que for DF as SCH for a DPS role, it is impossible so you have not done it. You can however que as ACN which is what you most likely did. If you want to DPS then unlock SMN and play that instead.

I smell troll

reminds me of that blackmage in my party that kept aggroing mobs and when I let him die after the 3rd time his complaint went like this "Why does nobody ever get, that I'm attacking mobs that would attack us anyway??". This is clearly another case of "How someone always manages to make a 4-man group seem like you're trying to organize 40 people" or "4 DDs walk into a dungeon" or "They kept following me" as in "Sorry my ass is so fat, it just involuntarily aggroed these mobs from 600 yalms away". Your misconception puts you in the best company along with those gladiator tanks *press Flash* "There, you see, I totally tanked this group of mobs!" - *2dds and the healer get hit by mobs throughout the fight "Yeah, we can totally see that."

SCH is healer, SMN is DD. If you aren't playing them as such, you aren't playing them to their full potential.

Ok, my bad. ;0 been doing fine keeping it DPS. The fairy does most of the healing anyway which is why I assumed I was to do DPS, but I must've been mistaken choosing ACN and seeing a WHM
PS. Not a troll post. Genuine question, if I was trolling I would've been like Rgbg, I was confused and sought advice. That's all

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

SCH is a healer, SMN and ACN are DPS. You cannot que for DF as SCH for a DPS role, it is impossible so you have not done it. You can however que as ACN which is what you most likely did. If you want to DPS then unlock SMN and play that instead.

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I'd also like to add in case the OP isn't aware, Aracanist is meant for more solo play while the jobs are more for party play. They can all be played solo or with groups, but jobs give skills and specialization that works better with groups.

I also don't think he's a troll, the mechanics can be confusing for people. It's possible he didn't have the job crystal equipped or wasn't aware of the role spot on the duty finder, or how jobs work.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

I'd also like to add in case the OP isn't aware, Aracanist is meant for more solo play while the jobs are more for party play. They can all be played solo or with groups, but jobs give skills and specialization that works better with groups.

I also don't think he's a troll, the mechanics can be confusing for people. It's possible he didn't have the job crystal equipped or wasn't aware of the role spot on the duty finder, or how jobs work.

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Thank you, and see, here's another confusing part. As scholar, I can go through my hunting log and my kills get credited to the Arcanist log. Same goes with White Mage and Conjurers hunting log, hence another reason I assumed DPS over Healing

Scholar is a healing role

scholar is grate at healing one person at a time
White mage are grate at healing groups at a time

both togeaver are brilliant :D

i can understand a difficulty if it was your first time healing from switching from arcanist but you should of known leveling up Conjurer that it was a healing role


EDIT: also if you have done your scholar job missions the spells you gain are all healing based AND becoming a scholar increses your mind stat which makes your healing spells stronger

No no, Scholar is a healer. If you want to do dps get your THM to 15 and grab Summoner, they level up at the same time...so when I do dungeons I'll go Scholar, but if I'm questing or someone needs a DPS I'll go Summoner. Also, your hunting log won't change whether your an Arcanist, Summoner, or Scholar. I imagine if they add new jobs to the classes we have now, it'll be the same deal.

So yea...don't go into a dungeon as a Scholar expecting to dps.

Think of SMN and SCH as the "dual spec" feature from that other game. It would have helped drive the point home if all the base classes had two jobs (each serving a different role in a party) at launch, perhaps even at the cost of having fewer base classes until later.

Scholar is the healer, if you want DPS get Summoner. They both originate from ACN you just have to level a different sub job to unlock.

For what is is worth, your Fairy will pretty much carry the heals for a little while, (especially if you scale down to earlier dungeons), so it isn't entirely your fault for being under the impression you can still DPS. Don't worry though, in a few levels you'll need to almost exclusively heal, and around the level 47-50 range the fairy gets a case of poobrain and you have to start fumbling with the unintuitive controls to have it functioning.

Might be worth starting to get into the habit now (if you wish to pursue SCH) to have a keybind for Embrace and Place. If you Place your pet close to the tank/melee it'll 'auto-heal' much more reliably; just try to have it in a position that doesn't get hit by boss cleaves and such. You can use the pet UI for this, but I find it far quicker/more responsive to have it on a keybind. Also, in the case of Embrace, make sure you have the one that is appropriate to the pet you are using (Eos or Selene) for your keybind, as they are not universal.

IMO Scholar still has room for some improvements such as removing the passive int skill for passive mind etc :)

Were people dying or near death while you're dps'ing?

If yes, then you're playing wrong.

If no, then keep doing what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by Iolair_Silverwing

Thank you, and see, here's another confusing part. As scholar, I can go through my hunting log and my kills get credited to the Arcanist log. Same goes with White Mage and Conjurers hunting log, hence another reason I assumed DPS over Healing

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I think you're getting "Class" and "Job" confused. Arcanist is your Class. If you don't equip a soul to use a job, then Arcanist is DPS. Arcanist is the only class with two souls atm: Summoner and Scholar.

When you equip the Summoner soul, you are a DPS role. When you equip the Scholar soul, you are a Healer role. If you queue for dungeons as a scholar, you are queuing for the healer role of the party. If you do not want to be healer, then you need to either unequip the Scholar soul so you revert to Arcanist, or you need to equip the Summoner soul instead.

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Originally Posted by Azures

IMO Scholar still has room for some improvements such as removing the passive int skill for passive mind etc :)

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Most classes have room for improvement, some more then others.
I think the main thing that would help is a clearer class discriptions, especially in cases like this where 1 class can split into 2 roles.
I cant Judge for the sch quests, but the whm one was very clear about whm being a healer, Im assuming this is the case for sch quests too, if not.. thats another thing that could help avoiding the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Steeled

Were people dying or near death while you're dps'ing?

If yes, then you're playing wrong.

If no, then keep doing what you're doing.

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Not at all, and no, I wasn't running out of MP or anything.
But as Conjurer, I've ran into tanks who've gotten pissy if I "step on their Toes" by casting Stone or Water to help them out a little if everyone's health is under control. Been yelled at for that because tanks have said I'm causing more Aggro doing that, the. Told "your job is to heal, so just heal" so I don't wanna run into the same situation where someone's pissy because I DPS (secondary over healing) but now know heals first, DPS second

Honestly, not being there, can't say, but they're probably doing something wrong.

As long as you're attacking their primary target, and they should be marking, your dps should be welcome.

In Dungeons, a healer should never outhate a tank on his main target and it's not difficult for the tank to outhate the healer on all targets. Just always make sure you're fighting his target.

lol, I wanted to play as a scholar until I found out that it was a healing role. I don't want to be a healer...but I thought the fairy and unicorn looked awesome. So...once I found out, I went the route of summoner. I'm much happier, and it's nice being able to pick up the slack if the healer in my party is pretty shitty & people constantly die. I'm thinking of leveling up cnj just so I have better healing abilities with my summoner to help better in dungeons. But yeah, I understand this post, I was confused at first too...

btw: I'm level 39 summoner...not sure why it's showing level 30 archanist on the side here.

arc / sch is a rather unique class / job progression, because for 30 levels you are playing as a DD, and only at level 30 do you begin to play the healer roll. It seems odd to spend so much time practicing one roll to change to a different roll at that point. And where do you put your bonus attribute points? Do you put them all into mind planning on becoming a sch? That would inhibit the function of the arc for 30 levels since arc does not have cleric stance. It's a little confusing that SE did it this way, unless it was to make it a more challenging character to play.

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Originally Posted by Iolair_Silverwing

Thank you, and see, here's another confusing part. As scholar, I can go through my hunting log and my kills get credited to the Arcanist log. Same goes with White Mage and Conjurers hunting log, hence another reason I assumed DPS over Healing

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I don't see how that's confusing. You are still the base class, WHM stems from CNJ, you are just a CNJ with more healing-based skills. Exp earned as a job credit the exp to the base class, and vice versa which of course means it's the same Hunting Log. It's really not that difficult.

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Originally Posted by AridElf

I don't see how that's confusing. You are still the base class, WHM stems from CNJ, you are just a CNJ with more healing-based skills. Exp earned as a job credit the exp to the base class, and vice versa which of course means it's the same Hunting Log. It's really not that difficult.

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Which is why I assumed the Scholar job was DPS, seeing that the Level 30 for it is Arcanist, not Conjurer

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Originally Posted by Panthan

Most classes have room for improvement, some more then others.
I think the main thing that would help is a clearer class discriptions, especially in cases like this where 1 class can split into 2 roles.
I cant Judge for the sch quests, but the whm one was very clear about whm being a healer, Im assuming this is the case for sch quests too, if not.. thats another thing that could help avoiding the confusion.

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Sch quest is about, Healing, Dmg mitigation, Bluff and Debluff and DD when needed.

A lot of depends on PT setups. If your PT got Blm that knows how to sleep mobs, Tank that does not behave like a wet Tofu, go crazy with Cleric Stance, DoTs and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Iolair_Silverwing

Which is why I assumed the Scholar job was DPS, seeing that the Level 30 for it is Arcanist, not Conjurer

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Scholar is Arcanist with a sub class of Conjurer which is why it's a healer. Summoner is Arcanist with a subclass of Thaumaturge which is why it is a DPS. It's not very confusing at all especially since all the jobs have color coded party icons, green = healer, red = DPS, blue = Tank. Scholar, White Mage and Conjurer all have green icons while Arcanist and Summoner have red. The first skill you unlock as a Scholar is a heal.

If you could heal and dps and you were not pulling hate then keep on doing whatcha doing. Last night it was myself and 2 friends at temple of qarn, I'm a blm my friends are blm and pld. We DF'd for our healer and it was a scholar. I was wondering if they'd be able to handle it because our last healer was really new for some reason and wasn't keeping our tank alive.

Anyways, he kept the tank healed and his dps kept up with us! We blew through that dungeon so fast it was such a nice relief to get someone who just hit the ground running. So don't be discouraged if you're helping the team in more than one way. That's the way it should be done. Just remember your first priority.

LMAOOOOO This is the best post ever!

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Sch quest is about, Healing, Dmg mitigation, Bluff and Debluff and DD when needed.

A lot of depends on PT setups. If your PT got Blm that knows how to sleep mobs, Tank that does not behave like a wet Tofu, go crazy with Cleric Stance, DoTs and stuff.

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Thank you, so it does tell people sch is about healing.
I do agree some discriptions could be clearer but judging by the very first mission and pretty much every step off it told me it was all about healing.

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Originally Posted by Panthan

Thank you, so it does tell people sch is about healing.
I do agree some discriptions could be clearer but judging by the very first mission and pretty much every step off it told me it was all about healing.

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Actually... SCH is more about dmg imitigation then healing. Prevent dmg from overshooting the limit which you or your fairy can handle. I been leaving my PT tank at under 60% at times because I crit on succor or aq, the imitigating factor is there and I roused my fairy, I hit cleric stance, DoT and bane. FREE DEBLUFFS FOR EVERYBODY!

Never underestimate stoneskin + AQ. It frees you up to do dmg.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Actually... SCH is more about dmg imitigation then healing. Prevent dmg from overshooting the limit which you or your fairy can handle. I been leaving my PT tank at under 60% at times because I crit on succor or aq, the imitigating factor is there and I roused my fairy, I hit cleric stance, DoT and bane. FREE DEBLUFFS FOR EVERYBODY!

Never underestimate stoneskin + AQ. It frees you up to do dmg.

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But it does explain its about suport, while every dps class mission is pretty much all about killing stuff asap. So it really shouldnt have been a big suprise to anyone that sch is a healer/support.
I DO agree they could have been cleared, but thats more in the tooltip department.

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Originally Posted by Iolair_Silverwing

Which is why I assumed the Scholar job was DPS, seeing that the Level 30 for it is Arcanist, not Conjurer

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So despite the primary subclass being healer, gaining a healing pet and your role icon turning from red to green, you still thought you were DPS? The class/job quests introduce and teach you about your role, you should have paid more attention to them, especially the level 30 Arcanist>Scholar quest.