Please bring back notorious monsters.

Some of my favorite times from XI were farming notorious monsters. Sometimes alone, sometimes not.

Killing mobs in an area and then finally seeing the named version of them appear. Or running through a zone and seeing a special mob "up", really added a feel of "adventure" and a unique sense of exploration to the game, at least imo.

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FATEs do that...

There are many kind of FATEs, and some of them are triggered by certain conditions like killing many of X enemy type.

Or a chain-trigger of a previous FATE.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

FATEs do that...

There are many kind of FATEs, and some of them are triggered by certain conditions like killing many of X enemy type.

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Fates, at least to me, don't feel quite the same. Its a glowing redish dot on your map that shows the other XXXX number of players to go zerg it for 30 seconds of quick exp.

I remember running through Kuftal Tunnel and seeing Guivre up. He wasn't super rare, and his drop wasn't "Great", but it was somewhat exciting.

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Originally Posted by Aldwin

Fates, at least to me, don't feel quite the same. Its a glowing redish dot on your map that shows the other XXXX number of players to go zerg it for 30 seconds of quick exp.

I remember running through Kuftal Tunnel and seeing Guivre up. He wasn't super rare, and his drop wasn't "Great", but it was somewhat exciting.

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Ahh Guivire that freaking chicken! lol Wyverns would walk around like Chickens(how I saw them at least XD) So I'd always curse at the chicken back in my lower lvl days when he'd get me haha... Thanks for reminding me of that.

On topic, I wouldn't mind NM's but I'm pretty sure SE already said no back on the Beta forums /shrug.

Think he's talking about the special boss monsters that spawn in fates such as cancer, Svara and the one from "the eyes have it".

So what you're asking is some kind of hidden FATEs that do not show on map - I think that'd be fun actually ( ' w '-

Spiny Spippi's Mist Cape! The first NM drop I ever hunted!

I have to say, NMs or otherwise, it was at least nice having more options for getting gear than just farming the same tokens upon tokens upon tokens for every job.

I second this, although I doubt they will veer bring it back. Was an awesome feeling and would love to have it back, but this isn't XI 2.0, unfortunately :( *cries*

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Originally Posted by Razzle

So what you're asking is some kind of hidden FATEs that do not show on map - I think that'd be fun actually ( ' w '-

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I mean just some smaller, named monsters that have various spawning conditions. That drop mediocre gear. It would be exciting to farm a staff, or a wand sword ect.. that was somewhat special compared the average one you could make. Something similar to a dungeon drop.

I haven't experienced any of the "Rare" fates yet I guess.

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Originally Posted by Aldwin

I remember running through Kuftal Tunnel and seeing Guivre up. He wasn't super rare, and his drop wasn't "Great", but it was somewhat exciting.

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ah, my good friend Guivre. he was in one of my RDM macros when i was exping.

/p hey guys, what's "Guivre?"
/wait4
/ja Convert <me>

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Originally Posted by BlazeChronic

I second this, although I doubt they will veer bring it back. Was an awesome feeling and would love to have it back, but this isn't XI 2.0, unfortunately :( *cries*

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1.0 did have NMs. They had one that spawned every 15 minutes (low level gear) and ones that spawned less frequently for better gear.

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

1.0 did have NMs. They had one that spawned every 15 minutes (low level gear) and ones that spawned less frequently for better gear.

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I'm aware, they were implemented later, and not on release.

And they were hard as F. hardly worth the rewards.

Also, being on a timer sorta ruins the whole hunt... They should be on a timer, but a random one, spanning from like 15 mins to 4-5 hours... That's just my opinion, but if they spawn every 15 mins, it's not very unique when you see one.

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Originally Posted by BlazeChronic

I'm aware, they were implemented later, and not on release.

And they were hard as F. hardly worth the rewards.

Also, being on a timer sorta ruins the whole hunt... They should be on a timer, but a random one, spanning from like 15 mins to 4-5 hours... That's just my opinion, but if they spawn every 15 mins, it's not very unique when you see one.

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The lower level ones were a lot of fun. Dropped a lot of good gear and didn't tie people around waiting 4-5 hours sitting doing nothing for a level 25-30 item which in 4-5 hours they could out level.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

So what you're asking is some kind of hidden FATEs that do not show on map - I think that'd be fun actually ( ' w '-

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That's how Odin works.

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Originally Posted by Aldwin

Some of my favorite times from XI were farming notorious monsters. Sometimes alone, sometimes not.

Killing mobs in an area and then finally seeing the named version of them appear. Or running through a zone and seeing a special mob "up", really added a feel of "adventure" and a unique sense of exploration to the game, at least imo.

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What's wrong with FATE NMs? Everyone can participate, everyone gets rewarded. Even if it is a laggy cluster of people. I like that the game's Notorious Monsters aren't dictated by whoever can claim the fastest (likely by botting.)

If this isn't satisfactory for you...well, last I checked, FFXI is still up. Feel free to go play that. '-'-b

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Originally Posted by Razzle

So what you're asking is some kind of hidden FATEs that do not show on map - I think that'd be fun actually ( ' w '-

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I believe Odin is a "hidden" FATE. You can tell he's up by the weather condition though.

NM fates are the biggest joke for a "boss" EVER. Seriously. Just killed the big B, and that was the least satisfactory fight I've ever had. FATES are the worst content in the game, worse than gw2. BRING BACK NMS!

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Originally Posted by charley

notorious monsters. are realy challenging but the probleme now all monster are open target :( , is hard to have something challenging in ff14 because all target are open

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That's why they bring back faction leves, and have special NM's, with cool drops in them.

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Originally Posted by Aldwin

Some of my favorite times from XI were farming notorious monsters. Sometimes alone, sometimes not.

Killing mobs in an area and then finally seeing the named version of them appear. Or running through a zone and seeing a special mob "up", really added a feel of "adventure" and a unique sense of exploration to the game, at least imo.

That is all...

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notorious monsters. are realy challenging but the probleme now all monster are open target :( , is hard to have something challenging in ff14 because all target are open

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Originally Posted by Meimei

What's wrong with FATE NMs? Everyone can participate, everyone gets rewarded. Even if it is a laggy cluster of people. I like that the game's Notorious Monsters aren't dictated by whoever can claim the fastest (likely by botting.)

If this isn't satisfactory for you...well, last I checked, FFXI is still up. Feel free to go play that. '-'-b

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Yeah, because running to a blue glob on the map where 250 other people are spamming it with absolutely no strategy other than zerg is as fun as actually having to have a competent party where people need to actually use their roles and skills to win. Cause showing up 0.01 seconds too late and it is already at 40% and who knows who has hate, is so much fun for a tank.

I would love to see some sort of hidden monster content in this game that generated a random loot or gear drop. They could be so uncommon that farming them would be a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned, but such a little Easter egg of an event would be a nice touch to a game that I think lacks some motivation to hunt and explore in the overworld once quests start slowing down and the hunting logs get depleted. I mean, I don't hate Fates. Some of them are challenging, especially when you get to them before a lot of people start logging on and they turn into a lag-ridden chore.

Anyway, want to fight a boss ladybug that will wreck your day? Maybe fulfill some sort of crazy requirements and watch it spawn before your eyes. I don't know what implementation would be, but I certainly think it would be a lot of fun to run across one.

As much as I wouldn't mind NM's again....blame RMT for ruining that pleasure...seriously. Does anyone remember back in RMT days of FFXI where there'd be an RMT standing on every spawn point? Unless the gear was r/e I guess...

Would love to see it added to the game. Variation is never ever a bad thing, some people might think FATEs are enough, but a lot of us don't. There are so many many ways of having NMs in the game without any of the EXTREMELY FEW issues that were actually present with them in XI.

I too would like to see this. I would like to see more open world free-for-all content in general... mobs that must be claimed when attacked, not necessarily Fates where I can 'assist' in taking it down and probably never take a hit in the process.

I was glad that Fates were added, but they don't seem to be handled right... too easy with a large number of players. Each Fate should limit the number of people who can participate, or something...

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Originally Posted by Spy

As much as I wouldn't mind NM's again....blame RMT for ruining that pleasure...seriously. Does anyone remember back in RMT days of FFXI where there'd be an RMT standing on every spawn point? Unless the gear was r/e I guess...

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yes and it sucked, but it did make snagging it away from them and making buttloads of cash from it pretty intense. I think how it was done in 1.0 was pretty good. We wanted it then and it worked out, and even during 2.0 beta people were clamoring for it (they had a thread with well over 2.5k likes that were for it).

NMs were those things that made you sweat a little, your heart was pounding to get the tag on it, and fighting it to see if you would get that rare drop. Most of the time it ended with disappointment, but when you did get that tag and that rare drop not every schmuck was running around with, that was worth loads of gil....oh boy was it such a good feeling. I cant tell you how many times i unintentionally did a little fist pump when i got something great or when my LS would even just tag the HNM. Honestly that was the best part of the old XI NMs....the rush.

and like z3 said...this game needs more open world content in general that isnt people zerging FATEs. Too much of stuff that isnt just leveling related is instanced.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

FATEs do that...

There are many kind of FATEs, and some of them are triggered by certain conditions like killing many of X enemy type.

Or a chain-trigger of a previous FATE.

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FATE's ruin the whole idea of NM hunting. If one does spawn, it shouldn't be announced to the whole zone....

I have to disagree. As it is now, we do have rare spawn monsters. I have encountered several of them. Spawning them as a FATE gives everyone the ability to participate. Do you remember the terrible times we had with NM's in 11? If you were a normal player there was almost no way to even get a chance at one. There would be gil sellers running programs that could tap monsters before they would even spawn on your screen because they were closer to the servers in Japan and had lower ping times. Moving the NM gear to BOE helped some, but it was still an issue of who had the better ping times. You could waste hours trying to track down rare spawns only to pretty much have 0 chance of getting a drop.

I don't want to go back to the times when you could waste hours of game play trying to find spawns and your latency dictated if you could even try to fight a NM. The FATE mechanism is fine.

They need to make mob drops worth something before they add NM's back... Then add NM's back... IMO it's ridiculous that I can farm stuff off level 50 mobs and it npc's for 1 gil....

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Originally Posted by Bluejay

I have to disagree.

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What were using? AOL? Did you stop playing in 2004? Just about all those issues were resolved without eliminating NMs.

I played in FFXI and I live in virginia and I have over 200 spook kills, I got my Hairpin from Valkrum Emperor, and I killed the dude in the castle (the beastmen, forget his name or the place) at least 10 times. I made over 10 mil gil killing NM's and I just sat their legitally throwing darts or dia at w/e popped, landed many claims.

I agree with the OP, they should add them back. It gave people a chance at a unique and rare item that they could sell for big gil, or use it on their character.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

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You got me there :) I do remember that feeling of my heart racing as I waited for that nm to pop...My finger sitting a spell/ability ready like standing in a Quickdraw gunfight.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

I played in FFXI and I live in virginia and I have over 200 spook kills, I got my Hairpin from Valkrum Emperor, and I killed the dude in the castle (the beastmen, forget his name or the place) at least 10 times. I made over 10 mil gil killing NM's and I just sat their legitally throwing darts or dia at w/e popped, landed many claims.

I agree with the OP, they should add them back. It gave people a chance at a unique and rare item that they could sell for big gil, or use it on their character.

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So basically you want over camped, RMT promoting, 3rd Party Tool promoting NMs in the game.

SE already learned from XI and if they would bring back NMs again outside FATEs. I see nothing but forced pop or drops not worth the effort to ppl like you just looking to farm gil.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

So what you're asking is some kind of hidden FATEs that do not show on map - I think that'd be fun actually ( ' w '-

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Odin doesn't show up on the map. Only the mini map.

While I agree that hunting NMs was quite a fun and unique experience, it was an FFXI thing. I just don't see how such a system could work in a game like XIV.

To give an example, say you're in Western Thanalan hunting for Leaping Lizzie, you kill tons of lizards to make her spawn, pop her, kill her, then what would she drop to make it worth it? A pair of green boots that would last you 5-6 levels? That wouldn't even be worth the effort.

The reason hunting NMs was such a fun experience in XI, was because they had the potential to drop amazing items that would last you most of your leveling process. There's just no way that they could pull something like that off in XIV. Not that I can think of.

Lol I love it. So many people talking about botting when botting was more or less a non-issue except for HNM and if they introduced it there are countermeasures, and this is of course completely avoiding the fact that mining etc. is being botted, hacked and abused to freaking obscene levels atm and I don't see anyone saying this should be completely removed from the game. RMT was never an issue in XI after they made NM drops rare/ex. Not even exclusivity would have to be an issue if the items dropped could be obtained via dungeons as well, meaning NM drops were just an alternative method of obtaining the items and then it is up to the player what he/she thinks is more fun. It is astounding to read that so many are against it when it would have zero adverse effect on them, but add such fun value for others.

My problem with the current implementation of NM's in Fates is the loss of excitement over getting a rare drop. Even in 1.0, there were NM's that had some rarer drops. Over farming was alleviated with fast respawn rates.

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltzkin

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I really don't care as long as the items are rare/unique and don't devalue Relic, Tome, and high lvl dungeon gear (1.0 did a decent job with this). My previous statement was towards the "Big Gilz" player I quoted, which promotes RMT and 3rd party tools. If NMs reappeared via lottery or any claim system with highly desired gear over high lvl dungeons and also in a loot pool. Free Companies will just 3rd party tool to monopolize and sell said items at whatever price they want. Just like HNM drops in XI which turned them into forced pop HNMs.

/signed and agree with OP. Bring them back. It's doable. Just have the placeholders be zone/world wide. So a lvl 10 mob of a certain type in Than has a possibility of spawning the lvl 40 NM version just as much as the one in the shroud does. That eliminates camps because you SIMPLY don't know where it's going to spawn, so bots can't camp them, and you have the possibility of finding them /any/where in the world. That right there is true NM hunting IMHO.

a lot of the replies seem to be afraid of large scale nms and camping. I'm not suggesting that. The smaller nms were extremely fun to hunt imo, sometimes the gear they dropped was next to worthless, but I enjoyed collecting everything. Seeing a "special" mob up somewhere was just exciting! Even if he dropped nothing. As it is, all of the mobs have no unique feel to them. And I think that is exactly what nms give. I loved the mystery of some special pop requirements. Does anyone remember the fungel that spawned in the forest area of xi (I haven't played in years, sorry I don't remember the names). It would only spawn during rainy weather, on a certain part of the Calender I think. The variety of spawn conditions made the entire world seem somewhat a mystery, and each time I explored a new zone I was curious to find out what NMs it had.

BTW Albela

http://killingifrit.com/page.php?al=cop81

Sure is a handsome taru standing there!

ha, fates are not evn close to what nms are. bring back nm:s.

nvm nm:s wont solv anything rly unless the gear is ultra good for lv.50s. fates make all pre-50 gear useless. fate evn make dungeons worthless.

abandon ship

I find the fates a real zerg fest. Not really fun at all. But what about something along the lines Rift has? zone events for NMs and fates that are spawned by 'crystals or tokens. FC could all get together and run fates as something to do together.

I don't know.