Can you buff mobs please. If I am an R30 and fight an R30 Mob that should be pretty much and even match that could go either way, this is not the case though and an R30 mob is currently way to easy at the same rank.
If a Mob is 10 Ranks above you it should be impossible to kill solo. Doing this might actually give us some variety in Mobs to kill as everything is just too easy right now.
To be honest I am fed up of catering to solo play in FFXIV, I loved the party aspect of FFXI and the social aspect that went along with it. My understanding was the point of MMO's is to play with other people.
If they want to cater to solo players then why not utilise the "companion" everyone has, much like the fellow feature in FFXI. If you play solo you could call your companion to fight by your side so at least you could duo then.
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If you do this and buff the mobs up would you also look into SP/EXP gains and balance those out as well. So an even match would give x amount of SP and an IT++ (10 ranks+) would give a decent amount at that rank.
For example an R40 party of 8 killing R50+ Grass Raptors would get 500SP a kill, while a R30 Party killing R40+ Efts would get 350SP something like that maybe. I don't know just make it so it's worthwhile to group up and party is the point.
On top of that look into mob distribution and ensure that we have clusters of mobs all around the same rank in area's. They don't all have to be the same mob in fact different ones would make it more interesting just make sure that if I go to this x area all mobs are R30-35 if I go somewhere else they are R40-45 and so on. Just make sure that the mob density or respawn times are fast enough to sustain a party to rank up without having to wait for mobs to respawn or run all over the place to find them creating unnecessary downtime and slowing SP/EXP down which will defeat the purpose of doing all this in the first place.
If you can do this then hell we might be able to bring back good old fashioned grind parties that are worthwhile and actually get people joining up and playing together outside of Leve's, now wouldn't that be nice ^^
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Mob Adjustments Please - The game is too easy
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05-01-2011, 05:08 AMAlexiaKiddMob Adjustments Please - The game is too easy
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05-01-2011, 07:49 AMRoaran
I think what people are looking for, is longer more engaging battles that lead to better rewards.
What I mean:
Currently we fight incredible weak monsters, pound them into the dirt, and move on quickly to maximize what we can get. Raptor party for example, you run around obliterating raptors by the dozen getting roughly 300-400 SP per kill depending on level.
Now imagine, if those fights lasted say 2-3 times as long, and rewarded 2-3 times as much SP/EXP. This means the single battle itself is much more meaningful.
All S-E would have to do is adjust SP values and health values, everything else could essentially stay the same. -
05-01-2011, 07:57 AMReika
I agree in a way. If they adjust monsters at even rank to be an actual even challenge, as in the monster can actually take more than half your hp before you kill it, then they should also adjust the SP gains of monsters, greatly-wise. Like monsters 10 ranks above you need a group to kill (most do already anyways (mongrels)) then they should offer much higher reward than they already do.
But what I think they really need to do is just remove the +10 rank cap on sp from monsters. Give players a reason to fight them at higher ranks. Not many even bother with those difficult challenges because they would give only satisfaction, and no physical reward. -
05-02-2011, 07:07 AMDeadRiserLonger battles is a plus in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roaran
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05-04-2011, 04:24 AMRedAffinity
I whole heartedly agree, more HP and longer battles.
One of the things I loved about FFXI were NM's, and ZNM's, BCNM's etc... where an enemy took a long time to kill. Of course I'm not asking each basic enemy to take 15-20 minutes, but certainly a subtle increase in HP and defense would allow for a more enjoyable time when you invest more into a single enemy and take defeat it's a greater feeling. Not to mention debuffs will be worth the time. -
05-04-2011, 05:13 AMShiyoI agree, I miss normal mobs taking 2-4 mins to kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedAffinity
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05-04-2011, 05:17 AMEldaena
Wow, a thread where everyone agrees. Amazing! ^-^
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05-04-2011, 03:32 PMDeadRiserSadly, I still think that 8 members is too much in a party. When you have 8 people attacking one mob, especially with the increased battle effects, it gets outrageous. You can't see a single think. Hopefully with the battle changes, combat won't be so wack and boringQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
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05-04-2011, 11:43 PMdarkstarpoet1
8 is not too much, but the mobs we have are jokes to fight.
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05-04-2011, 11:52 PMDeadRiserHow many party member could you have in XI?Quote:
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05-05-2011, 12:12 AMdarkstarpoet1i'll answer than when the name of this game is final fantasy xi. until then that question is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadRiser
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05-05-2011, 12:27 AMLienn
Normal mobs cannot be this tough. The game is supposed to be solo friendly. But you can expect tougher fights at dungeons since they are being made for party play. You guys need to keep in mind that this game difficulty is that the game was planned as many vs many, not one vs many...the monsters need to be easier to kill when you expect them to come in groups...once the monster groups are added outside leves (hopefully soon...only group i saw outside leves and quests are the skelletons of cedarwood) these very same monsters will offer a much more entertaining fight to people.
Right now, for tougher fights just go fight larger monsters, like peistes, drakes, hogs...these can offer you some good entertainment even at your rank and do are very tough to kill if 10 ranks higher than you. -
05-05-2011, 12:32 AMdarkstarpoet1solo the drakes, pesties, and hogs already. what would make party play fun would be the ability to take a party out and fight some of the level 80+ mobs, but quite frankly the only way to kill them is run in one at a time with punishing barbs up and let it one shot you. they have no grey area mobs in which are too tough for you, but good enough for a party to kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lienn
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05-05-2011, 04:29 AMREDace0
I'm in favor of making the game truly challenging, but it would be a waste of effort to do rebalancing right now with an overhaul of the battle system itself in progress. After that update these discussions will carry a bit more weight.
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05-05-2011, 05:01 AMZkieve
balance is what is needed , the difficulty goes from a to z in most cases, there is no middle ground.
Then again the game is just a shell so we gotta wait to see how its gonna turn out before devs can do any meaningful balancing. -
05-05-2011, 05:25 AMDeadRiserYou swear you're an adult, but you won't even answer a simple question? I never played XI, and I was curious about max party in that game. Just a question dude, grow upQuote:
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05-05-2011, 06:04 AMZkieve
in 11 a party was made up of 6 members, but an alliance was made of 3 party, so 18.Was the norm to be able to fight anything together in the open world.
In some instances you could have multiple alliances i can remember how many but 3+ alliances,i think 64 was max on dynamis ?.
anyways thats how it was when i played if my memory does not plays tricks on me. -
05-05-2011, 06:35 AMRedAffinity6 = PartyQuote:
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3 Party could link to form an alliance of 18 total.
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05-05-2011, 07:55 AMLiennBalanced for party play you mean...FFXI always was extremely slow for solo play and 2 easy prey monsters could often beat you down. But there monsters were supposed to be stronger than players in every aspect when you compare a characte and a moster of same level because FFXI is a game heavy on party content. If someone go play FFXI willing to solo he's just in the wrong game.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedAffinity
This one instead was planned to be party vs party. We never were meant to be fighting 1 mob at a time unless we are solo...until now i didn't understand why that claim restriction was added in FFXIV...it just removed what would make the party system work as was said right at start. But, anyway, i'm expecting battle adjustments to weaken all characters so maybe the very same monsters will become more challenging. -
05-05-2011, 08:36 AMShiyo"Solo friendly" is guild leves, the leves mobs are weaker(a lot less hp), if you want to solo you go and do guild leves. Normal monsters NEED to be strong and powerful or else the game is a complete joke, which is how it is right now. Soloing guild leve mobs are even a joke, you can solo them at +10 as certain classes and +3/+6 as others. That shouldn't be possible. The difficulty is too low for solo players AND group players. We need strong challenging field mobs for parties, and stronger leve mobs for solo players. The entire system is broken.Quote:
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05-05-2011, 03:36 PMLiennWhen a game is solo friendly, we are talking about it as a whole (also guildleve is supposed to be the casual friendly part, not solo friendly) and not only about features...saying it should be considered casual friendly if there were only leves soloable it would be the same of saying FFXI was solo friendly because had BST or because they added fields of valor...those are different situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
But i do agree with darkstarpoet1. Indeed right now there's no rank window that is too tough fr solo but doable in party. Maybe after protect/shell and attributes balancing things become better...because right now really there's no way someone can tank a monster 15~20 ranks ahead of you (which would be good for a full party)...without major wipe risk. I went to play with goobbues 77 (if not mistaken)...it was hitting my MRD for 600~700, which is np since he hits slow...but his WS that swallow the target dealt almost 2300 dmg, which was OHKO. The damage taken increase based on rank difference is the major problem right now...once ppl can start taking acceptable damage from 15~20 ranks higher mobs (maybe when protect/shell are adjusted) it will become a doable option. -
05-05-2011, 05:10 PMdarkstarpoet1don't feel too bad go jump on the head of a r78 widowmaker or r71 inferno drake.....those are beatable by having 5 people go in at it one at a time and toss punishing barbs and taunt it while mages toss heals at them as much as they can til it does it's special and hits ya for 5k at r50. you don't kill it.....stupid thing kills itself is about the only way to beat it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lienn
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05-05-2011, 09:09 PMReika
Making every monster as strong as monsters were in FFXI would totally kill the solo friendly aspect, wether it is just in guildleves or out in the field. I remember the 'even match' becoming more and more impossible to kill solo as you leveled up. It doesnt need to be that way. They need to remove the Dlvl cap of 10 so people can have reason to fight monsters over 10 ranks above them. 10 ranks above is nothing right now. Hell 15 ranks above is not that hard in a group, but you dont get any more sp for it. The increase of challenge needs to be rewarded or else it will be pointless
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05-05-2011, 10:08 PMAlexiaKidd
To be honest I am fed up of catering to solo play in FFXIV, I loved the party aspect of FFXI and the social aspect that went along with it. My understanding was the point of MMO's is to play with other people.
If they want to cater to solo players then why not utilise the "companion" everyone has, much like the fellow feature in FFXI. If you play solo you could call your companion to fight by your side so at least you could duo then. -
05-05-2011, 11:18 PMReika
Heh I was hoping the companions could do that too...
But one thing they can also do, in the case of field monsters, is vary the ranks of the monsters in the regions more. Right now R1 areas sorta have it right by having R10 or so dodo's running around. However, R10,20,30, and 40 areas dont have monsters with a high enough rank above the area.
If say the rank 30 area would have monsters that were R23-30 in one part of it, 31-38 in another part, and 39-48 in yet another part, it would add more diversity to the areas.
Another thing they could do (yes this is sorta a copy from other mmo's) is add varying monster difficulties at the same rank. Like having a R30 monster that is easily soloed (an Antling Worker for example). Then you can have the R30 monster that is beastly in comparison (an Antling Fighter for ex), Making it take at least 4 people of equal rank to defeat without too much trouble. Then you can have the R30 monster that is a master combatant (an Antling Warlord(hah) for ex), then maybe that one would take 8 people of equal rank to kill without much trouble.
This way, all the weak R30 monsters could have the same HP as the guildleve mosters (easily soloable), The Middle monsters could have 4 times as much HP and do more damage (Similar to monsters above our rank), and the warlords could have 8-10x more HP than the solo monsters and do lots more damage (equivilant of monsters say 15-20 ranks above).
I guess they can be called something like Peon, Warrior, then Warlord. Then after that you have your NM wiith even more HP and whatnot.
And if they do it like they've been doing it, there would be an indicator to tell which monster is what type. -
05-05-2011, 11:35 PMRutelor
Bump this!
I heartily agree with proposition that mobs be made more difficult, and battles longer and more challenging...
From my FFXI days, I miss variables like possible link/adds, even from non-aggressive mobs, and variations on mobs' strength and resilience depending on weekday, weather, time of day/moonphase, etc. Elemental relations seemed stronger and more important, there, too. All these things kept you on your toes and made traversing the world and fighting much more interesting and varied.
The theory that you need to keep nerfed mobs to allow for a balanced solo experience misses the point. The point is precisely that, as they stand, right now, mobs are too easy to kill in solo combat. I tend to be left feeling like rewards and SP are being thrown at me without my having earned them duly.
Perhaps having two avenues of advancement, one 'casual', the other 'elite'; or having different rule-sets in different servers, could be appropriate (though labor-intensive) solutions to the solo/casual vs. party/hardcore divide. But since, unlike many, I don't purport to be a game developer or to understand everything that might or not be viable in a complex MMO, I'll just mention these two ideas with a question mark at the end.
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05-06-2011, 12:39 AMPeregrine
It's tough to balance with soloers and parties going after the same mob sets. If the sp 10 level cap is raised, it raises the sp per hour of party grinds dramatically, again jacking the balance of solo play.
Who plays solo? Jp players. Enough said, devs will never not go to lengths to accommodate that playstyle.
NA and Europe drive demand for party play, and even though we make up 75% of the base...yeah. Japan. -
05-06-2011, 06:36 AMShiyo
I'm also sick of catering to solo players. If you want to solo, go do leves, the mobs are weaker and designed for solo players. I don't know how many times I have to say this, it's pretty obvious if you've done a leve and killed a level 45 mob, then tried to kill a level 45 field mob. Also, go play a single player game if you wanna solo, the social aspect and grouping aspect of MMOs is the main thing that makes them fun.
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05-06-2011, 06:46 AMRinsuiThat's nonsense. Just because we don't play with you it doesn't mean we play solo. Keep the "Japanese are like that" BS to yourself.Quote:
Who plays solo? Jp players. Enough said, devs will never not go to lengths to accommodate that playstyle.
NA and Europe drive demand for party play, and even though we make up 75% of the base...yeah. Japan.
P.S.: Do me a favor and read the Japanese forums. In most parts, the complaints over there are *pretty much an exact mirror* of what's written on the English language forums. -
05-06-2011, 07:28 AMShiyo
I can't read japanese, could you tell me what they say? o_o Omg I'm REALLY interested in their complaints. Pretty pwease? ^-^
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05-06-2011, 07:52 AMAlexiaKidd
Just edited the OP to include:
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If you do this and buff the mobs up would you also look into SP/EXP gains and balance those out as well. So an even match would give x amount of SP and an IT++ (10 ranks+) would give a decent amount.
On top of that look into mob distribution and ensure that we have clusters of mobs all around the same rank in area's. They don't all have to be the same mob in fact different ones would make it more interesting just make sure that if I go to this x area all mobs are R30-35 if I go somewhere else they are R40-45 and so on. Just make sure that the mob density or respawn times are fast enough to sustain a party to rank up without having to wait for mobs to respawn or run all over the place to find them creating unnecessary downtime and slowing SP/EXP down which will defeat the purpose of doing all this in the first place.
If you can do this then hell we might be able to bring back good old fashioned grind parties that are worthwhile and actually get people joining up and playing together outside of Leve's, now wouldn't that be nice ^^
Hope everyone still agrees with this addition as well as the original OP if not then I can remove it if you would like. -
05-06-2011, 05:48 PMRinsuiHahaha, ok. I guess it can't hurt to show that players are pretty much in the same boat around the globe. Btw, FFXIV was literally ripped to pieces in the (inofficial) 2ch forums with waaaay waaaaaaay stronger language than in anything I've ever read on an English language forum (like Allakhazam, Core or similar). And in the Amazon.jp reviews. But that's another story.Quote:
I can't read japanese, could you tell me what they say? o_o Omg I'm REALLY interested in their complaints. Pretty pwease? ^-^
Anyway, Shio, let's simply translate some of the Japanese "Battle Mechanics" post's titles.
"If you can't fix the lagging, this battle system is worth nothing"
(ラグをどうにかしないとバトルどうのこうのではないのではないか)
"Physical level - useless indeed?"
(フィジカルレベルは本当に不要なのか？ )
"Both physical levels and the armoury system are complete junk"
(アーマリーシステム/フィジカルボーナスは失敗作！)
The title says it all, and I agree.
"Battle effects enlarged - ouch, my eyes are popping!"
(通常攻撃も大っきくなっちゃって目が痛い)
And an answer to that post:
"Agreed. Even when enlarged to ridiculous magnitude, ugly battle effects stay ugly".
"Healing is completely brainless. Give healers some meaning!"
(回復魔法が単純すぎる ヒーラーにもやり甲斐を )
A rant about how un-thrilling the current mindless spam of cure-cure-cure-cure is.
"About enemy ranged attacks and territories"
(敵の遠隔攻撃とテリトリー)
Complaints about how stupid it is that every goat can sneeze you to death.
"Away with fatigue asap"
(潜在値の早期廃止要望)
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and countless more.
All in all, the general content of topics is roughly the same. And as far as I am able to tell, things that are considered problematic in Europe / the US are perceived not less so here. Generally; of course there's some differences. As for me, I still hate the /check feature. -
05-07-2011, 05:18 PMBurn
This isn't 2003 anymore, you take the soloability from this game by drastically buffing the mobs and they have completely doomed any hope they have built up over the past few patches. Solo'ing is already slow enough, you have to party post 30 if you really want to level fast and even then it takes a static party doing leve's every 36hrs at every reset plus the correct leve's available like Dunesfolk, Ranine, Levinshower, Verdure, Inferno, Great horay Toads between at least 4 people for leve links with another 4 people for a round 2.
People are looking at this the wrong way, slow leveling in a modern MMO does NOT WORK. The games challenge should begin once the player hits the level cap, the game should start @ the level cap, getting to the level cap should be pretty accessible imo it should also be a learning experience so you know your class inside and out and are ready to step into the endgame shortly after 50. I think the current pace could be a little better post 30 but its not horrible anymore.
Behest exp is really deceiving because it dies off a whole lot at LV40 camps under the current rules.
I really disagree that FFXI was any challenge leveling up if you played the correct jobs, a person who played a BRD/RDM/NIN had a VERY easy time getting to 75(when it was the cap) over someone who was doing THF or DRK, DRG, that model was poor at best. -
05-07-2011, 07:26 PMShiyo
TY so much for the translations Rinsui! I really appreciate it :D I'm always interested in knowing what other players of other cultures feel about the game, and it's cool to know they agree with us on almost everything.
@Burn, No, just no. Why should the game start "at the level cap"? I'm sick of this way of thinking. Why even have a leveling process at all if any retard can get to the cap quickly and easily? Might as well remove leveling at that point.
It should be about the JOURNEY, not the destination. Stop with the instant gratification crap please. The journey sucks, it's horrible, it's boring, it's easy, my cat can play my class and get level 50 for me. Horrible horrible design. It doesn't even matter if we party up and can play 30-50, because it's boring, easy, and we're all basically leeching while we press 1111111112.
No person had an easier time getting 75, maybe if you were lazy and didn't make your own parties, or you sucked at the game, then sure. I always invited good players, no matter their class. I kept track of good players and always invited them back, I leveled just as fast on all my jobs(Bard sch dnc ninja paladin). Sure it's easier to create a good party if I'm a healer, or a tank, or a support, but it ends up at the same speed in the long run. I had so many days where I couldn't find DD's, while having a healer/tank/support :/. When I first got the game and was still learning stuff I leveled slow. You know why? BECAUSE I SUCKED. I WAS TRASH. I WAS NOT WORTH INVITING. Does this matter in FF14? Nope, not at all! Good design! Good players always leveled faster than bad players, class had nothing to do with it, end of story, the end.
I made so many good friends, I met so many cool people, and I had so much fun with the "long leveling" system of FF11. Every fight was hard, we were always striving to improve, and work together better. Getting that chain #5, getting that chain #6, striving for a #7, even trying to get higher and higher. We were rewarded for our work, we were rewarded for teamwork, skill, trying, paying attention, etc. This game is the complete opposite , you're never rewarded. You're actually encouraged to NOT PAY ATTENTION EVER. if this is the way MMOS are going to be designed, then I want nothing of it anymore. MMOs should have long lasting power, high replay value, and never be beatable. What everyone wants is MMOs to be like WOW or rift, a game I literally pick up(I've done this multiples times, did it twice in WOTLK and once in CAT + once in rift) and "beat" the game in 1-2 months. That's a joke, I'm sorry, but that's a COMPLETE JOKE.
I seriously can't get over this way of thinking "Level50 should be easily accessiable and the game should start at the cap".................it's just so stupid I have no words to describe it. I hate it, I hate it, I HATE IT. Is there a way we can completely delete that way of thinking from everyone in the universe? -
05-07-2011, 09:52 PMPhysic
FFXI was stupid, im gonna be honest, the fact that for most of your life, you could be terminated by easy prey was foolish. Having nothing to do if you didnt have a party was foolish, needing to have 2 jobs or being unable to party was foolish, needing to have 2 more jobs or your exp was gimped was foolish.
Running around a moogle waiting for a whm/rdm or pld/nin to pop was stupid. Solo play needs to be viable for those who want to do it, not everyone wants to set up a party for 30 min to an hour. some people only have an hour to play the game. An mmo should be a large world allowing people of many different types of playstyles and interests to interact together.
Difficulty is not about solo vs party, difficulty is difficulty, the difficulty in this game at lower levels or small groups is pretty decent, the difficulty for large groups is not. they need to make content for both types, raising the exp cap would go a long way in this respect. Doing what the op says wont be bad, IF they increase sp across the board, (fighting things weaker as well) but honestly i think we are going to have them weaken us substantially with the next battle system, and i dont think our sp per mob will go up to compensate. So, we shall see. -
05-08-2011, 12:46 AMLiennExactly. once battle and attributes become balanced you can expect no more THM NM soloing, no more 170 attribute cap and some serious nerf at equipmente that gives any attribute higher than +4.Quote:
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Right now all we can do is wait...after all it was already said current formulas are too complex and bad to balance so takes time to find a smaller formula that offers similar curves than previous ones...because thses formulas need extreme caution or everything might end extremely strong or extremely weak with the changges. -
05-08-2011, 05:39 AMBurnI'm sorry, I don't mean to flame but thats such a masochist way of thinking. It is VERY obvious you have very little MMO experience outside of FFXI. You don't even realize if they slow the leveling down even more by forcing party play no one is going to come back to play because forced party mechanic is OLD and OUTDATED by almost a decade. Remember, SE is trying to get players back interested whom many bailed from the game back in October so they can start making some money back off a monthly fee. I've read tons of forums from all over that the major gripe with FFXIV outside of the bad UI and other design flaws was that the game is just "too slow paced." Every modern MMO that has come out is pretty fastpaced these days, FFXIV is not currently which is why we're seeing all these revamps about to take place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
Let me ask you this, how did the insane grind work out for Aion? Nuff said.
The game should be focused on gameplay, it shouldn't be focused on sitting there all day looking for a party. Not only are your ideas bad, its just not the current model of how MMO's function in a post-WoW era where gamers are looking for that MMO that can be different from WoW but not be such an insane grind like an AION.
FFXIV is all about how long you're willing to do tedious things, how is this model fun at all? let me even go farther cause you bring up WoW, you realize WoW is a challenging game right? Look how many guilds are 13/13 heroic raid progress in the world, maybe 150-200 tops when you factor in tens of thousands of guilds that raid. You also say that "you're never rewarded. You're actually encouraged to NOT PAY ATTENTION EVER" In WoW if you're not paying attention during a raid boss you WILL more than likely wipe the entire raid from either standing in something that explodes or chaining 10 other people in blocks of ice killing them. FFXI is a very poor example and i'll even go farther to tell you why.
FFXI was NOT hard, please stop with the BS, I can't speak for post 75 FFXI cause I quit when the cap was 75 but this was the basic HNM fight in FFXI.
Elegy
slow II
Hope my pld/nin or rdm/nin can count to 3, 4 if nin/drk.
DD which was all BLM's and SMN's if fighting Tiamat, Faf/nid or 90% of older HNM.
Melee DD if it was a TOAU HNM.
If TOAU HNM watch to stun the big wtf move when mob reached 35% health.
Eventually fights became Melee Zergs
Nothing was challenging in XI, I took my WAR from 37-75 in less than two weeks when ToAU content was current back before the caps went up. I was in an upper Tier guild that cleared everything but AV when I had quit, (PW wasent out yet) To even prove my point further, I had a THF friend that took 3 months to go from 1-75 and he played 8hours a day. Not only did I blast by him with my WAR because it was 100x more popular of a job but I was also capped out on merits which required 100's of thousands of exp just as he was hitting level 75, he played everyday and spent most of his time seeking.
I also took my BLM from 1-75 in about a month at the beginning of the CoP expansion before manaburn parties ever came about, again, not hard, the job was just popular.
Getting really tired of people calling FFXI a challenge back in its heyday when all the game was about was battling the poor drop rates from the HNM mobs had, dynamis, salvage etc. FFXI was faceroll, I really have to question the quality of players that struggled a whole lot in leveling up in XI. Just because it took you a long time to hit 75 back in the day doesn't mean the leveling was hard.
Just for argument sake, I was nothing special in XI. I don't want to come off sounding like i'm trying to toot my own whistle but at one point in time I did everything the game had to offer and NONE of it was a challenge. -
05-09-2011, 09:06 AMCrowley
Full parties should have stronger mobs available. Hoping that instances fixes that.
/signed for stronger field mobs, although if you fight at +10 (max sp scaling) its a pretty even fight for most. Really your asking to make +-0 tough as +10 with sp as +10 -
05-09-2011, 01:07 PMAchi
Tired on the changes to make all easier i have been playing FFXI since EU version come out and that is not only FFXI they made easier.
I have a lot of friends playing games like EQ1 EQ2 WOW AOC and feel the same they make everyting to easy there is not any MMORPG out there who is hard any more.
FFXI was good in start before they made it to EASY i hope SE will go in the direction make this game harder its the only way save this game i think.
Market is allready flooded with Easy Gratification MMORPG.
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05-09-2011, 01:14 PMKurokikaze
I hope to god devs do not take anything from this thread.
Secondly, to the OP; its important for you to find out why exactly you cant get optimal exp from certain mobs. There are two major problems that have nothing to do with difficulty. Not gonna tell you what it is... just gonna let you figure it out.