More Conienient Repairs!

OK, I am a lot more happy with the the reduced rate of durability loss. However, I do see room for improvement on that. So I would still like to see it reduced a bit more.

My main focus of this post in the convenience factor of repairs. The less often I need to seek repairs, the more convenient it is to me as an adventurer. The lower the ingredient requirements are for the repair, the more convenient it is to me. Lastly, but not to be over looked, the faster and less of a hassle it is to repair things, the more convenient it is to me.

Now I have seen improvement on the first two issues (always room for more improvement), but the last one I haven't. We have to unequip gear to get it repaired by a PC. Why? The NPC can repair without this extra step, why should PCs be limited in this way. It doesnt seem ike much, but every little bit that helps streamline the process will help. I suggest keeping the seek repair option that works pretty much like it does now, but the players would not have to unequip items.

While i think any improvements to the repair system would be helpful, there are times when going into town or trying to get a repair in the field are just annoying. So I'd like to steal an idea I saw on one of the fansites (OP of idea: step up and claim your idea if you so desire) a while back. Repair Kits!!! I don't think there is much need to explain, the name says it all. Each crafter class could create these kits and sell them in stacks to non-crafters --- gil sink accomplished/ crafters are relevant.

Lastly I would like to see 100% repairs on ALL items (even accessories) from the repair NPCs. It could still be expensive to promote the idea of going to a crafter instead, but I'd like it there for emergency/ noone is around purposes.

Please consider these kind of improvements as I think they will help make a more enjoyable game, especially for non-crafters.

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Lastly I would like to see 100% repairs on ALL items (even accessories) from the repair NPCs. It could still be expensive to promote the idea of going to a crafter instead, but I'd like it there for emergency/ noone is around purposes.

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No.
Even if a repair from npc will cost 500k, money are so a no-problem people will do only that, and crafter will be useless.

I made this suggestion a while ago. Replace all repair mats with Repair kits that must be made by crafters.

a repair kit would be nice, but you would hurt the lower level crafters who could not make the kit and if they could make a kit and make like velveteen at r15 for the kit it's take away the need for high level crafters to repair high level gear. i guess you could do it as like a multiple tier repair kit as in low level crafters could make a level1 level2 so forth and so on as their skill increases.

Repairs are extremely convenient as is for the most part, just a few odd materials that people just dont carry around(most of them are armoror mats, and the rest are like elytrons, electrum squares and so on)

Obviously they'd have different tiers of the kits for each type of armor level

Canvas Kit, Velvateen Kit, Iron Kit, Bronze Kit, etc.

Cut down the number of mats needed for repair from being absolutely anything from the game to a cluster of approximately 12 or 15 kits two per level range basically.
Though with this system I'd say remove durability from accessories. Only Body, Legs, Hands, Boots and Weapon should have durability.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Obviously they'd have different tiers of the kits for each type of armor level

Canvas Kit, Velvateen Kit, Iron Kit, Bronze Kit, etc.

Cut down the number of mats needed for repair from being absolutely anything from the game to a cluster of approximately 12 or 15 kits two per level range basically.

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there arent as many as this makes it seem as is

canvas kit? velveteen kit? we already have those, its called fent

as for armoror what i was getting at there is that it takes squares/nuggets/rivets/nails and various other things, armoror is the only one it really gets bad in

and a few other items out there take some odd ones(weevil bow taking weevil elyrons is a good example)

when it comes to repairs though, and something that isnt common, the BEST solution for people is to carry the mats to have people repair their gear themselves.

I can repair anything in the game almost, and let me just say, i dont carry odd mats, but i carry everything else. and id gladly repair anyones weevil bow, random armor piece or whatever if they had the mats to do so.

the problem is people expect the repair person to carry everything they need(also add in the fact some people refuse to pay what those items are worth but thats another story altgoether) even if its a rarer item.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

No.
Even if a repair from npc will cost 500k, money are so a no-problem people will do only that, and crafter will be useless.

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I'll never spend 500k on it, but I craft also, and crafting can eat up 500k in a second :/

I'm not sure how it is on other servers, but during peak Japanese hours (usually late night - morning) I've had no problem getting multiple items repaired in almost no time just by sitting by the repair NPC in Ul'dah waiting for crafters to browse my bazaar.

It's not the most convenient, but it's by no means a problem if I am saving an easy 200k minimum in repair bills.

Heya!

I'm writing this as a casual player who wants to experience anything in the world of Eorzea, and I try to keep my Hand classes over 20 so I can be auto-sufficient on repairs.
If I have to go to an adventure, I take my axe and my bronze/iron nuggets for when I need a repair, and go kill stuff.
Even that, my armorer is not so high, so when my armor deteriorates, I have to ask somebody in the world to do my repairs, which is also fun! I trade them 10'000 gil at least for my equipment and the repairers are really happy about it.

I go take a repair from the NPC when I have to hurry up for sticking with my LS/Team mates. Saying that in this game the gil is too much of a piece of cake, which means it's not a problem, lowering the price of it will keep players with even more money, money that the players will not know what to do with, and the gil will lose importance and valor.

See ya!

The only problem with repairing now is the fact you have to take off your item to get it repaired, other than that I find repairing to be painless.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

The only problem with repairing now is the fact you have to take off your item to get it repaired, other than that I find repairing to be painless.

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Hold still while i bang you with a hammer and nails to fix that armor on you :) Just be very still cuz i might slip.

you can't change anything because crafters will cry

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

No.
Even if a repair from npc will cost 500k, money are so a no-problem people will do only that, and crafter will be useless.

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I don't beleive this at all. Crafters will always be relevant. If nothing else that new materia system the devs were talking about will ensure that. Understand, I am not trying to hurt the crafters, I just want a more fun and streamlined and convenient process as a non-crafter. I don't mind going to crafters. In fact I'd like to help out crafters in my LS as much as possible, but sometimes you need a quick solution when no LS mates are around or if your not in Uldah.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

I made this suggestion a while ago. Replace all repair mats with Repair kits that must be made by crafters.

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Then I give you credit where credit is due Cairdeas. Really awesome idea too btw. Could you provide a link or flesh it out more for us all to see? Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Repairs are extremely convenient as is for the most part, just a few odd materials that people just dont carry around(most of them are armoror mats, and the rest are like elytrons, electrum squares and so on)

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I won't say they arent much more convenient, then they were at the begining. However, as I said before, there is always room for improvement. The less steps there are and the more streamlined it is the better. As I said before, having to unequip armor, when you don't have to for the NPC is very annoying and unnecessary. It makes me choose the NPC hands down when I'm in a hurry. So lets not act like there arent too many steps that offput people, because there clearly are. On the other hand, if we had repair kits, I'd likely never use the NPC, because then I would be able to repair instantly through the use of an item without unequiping gear, and remain in the field without the inconvenience of going back to town.

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Originally Posted by Amsai

I don't beleive this at all. Crafters will always be relevant. If nothing else that new materia system the devs were talking about will ensure that. Understand, I am not trying to hurt the crafters, I just want a more fun and streamlined and convenient process as a non-crafter. I don't mind going to crafters. In fact I'd like to help out crafters in my LS as much as possible, but sometimes you need a quick solution when no LS mates are around or if your not in Uldah.

Then I give you credit where credit is due Cairdeas. Really awesome idea too btw. Could you provide a link or flesh it out more for us all to see? Thanks in advance.



I won't say they arent much more convenient, then they were at the begining. However, as I said before, there is always room for improvement. The less steps there are and the more streamlined it is the better. As I said before, having to unequip armor, when you don't have to for the NPC is very annoying and unnecessary. It makes me choose the NPC hands down when I'm in a hurry. So lets not act like there arent too many steps that offput people, because there clearly are. On the other hand, if we had repair kits, I'd likely never use the NPC, because then I would be able to repair instantly through the use of an item without unequiping gear, and remain in the field without the inconvenience of going back to town.

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in line with "repair kits" the only way i wouldnt mind seeing them is if they did the following

1) were not generalized, make them specific ie: canvas fent repair kit, iron rivet repair kit.
2) made them so that they could still fail. But change the factors of failing the repair. Make them based on optimal rank vs if your the right class and so on and so forth. So a conj wearing heavy armor 20 ranks above his level would have one hell of a time getting that repair to work(lets face facts he shouldnt have been wearing it anyway)


there are ways to make them work, but dont make them super easy end all way to cut out the need to get repairs at all like im sure some people are wanting

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

canvas kit? velveteen kit? we already have those, its called fent

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This. Very redundant idea

I actually came up with the repair kit idea a long time ago Clicky HERE

For those who don't want to click ^^

Repair system made better

For repairs I would like a "Repair Kit" that could patch up the item to 75% and could be used by any class and rank to repair any item.

Then I would have people who repair things properly and use the correct mats a chance (5% or something maybe) to be able to +1 the repair. This could give the items 125% durabilty until it drops down and is repaired again. You could even take it further and give the item the stats of a +1 item until durability dropped to 100% and so on. This would encourage proper repairs and still allow people to patch up items while out in the field.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

in line with "repair kits" the only way i wouldnt mind seeing them is if they did the following

1) were not generalized, make them specific ie: canvas fent repair kit, iron rivet repair kit.
2) made them so that they could still fail. But change the factors of failing the repair. Make them based on optimal rank vs if your the right class and so on and so forth. So a conj wearing heavy armor 20 ranks above his level would have one hell of a time getting that repair to work(lets face facts he shouldnt have been wearing it anyway)


there are ways to make them work, but dont make them super easy end all way to cut out the need to get repairs at all like im sure some people are wanting

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Well I am looking for a solution that would make people happy, so as long as you arent writing off the idea by default I am fine with any ideas on how to approach such a thing. This idea would not cut out repairs, it would just make it more convenient. As far as complexity of how the system works and success rate, I am not oppsed to those ideas either. Thats absolutely fine if I have to follow ceratin criteria and its not 100% success rate, all I am interested in is the convenience factor. If I wanted to get rid of repairs, I'd have titled the thread: Get rid of Repairs!!, but I didn't.

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Originally Posted by Amsai

Well I am looking for a solution that would make people happy, so as long as you arent writing off the idea by default I am fine with any ideas on how to approach such a thing. This idea would not cut out repairs, it would just make it more convenient. As far as complexity of how the system works and success rate, I am not oppsed to those ideas either. Thats absolutely fine if I have to follow ceratin criteria and its not 100% success rate, all I am interested in is the convenience factor. If I wanted to get rid of repairs, I'd have titled the thread: Get rid of Repairs!!, but I didn't.

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well as i said, repair kits arent a bad idea as long as you dont generalize them
crafters would still be the ones to actualy make them, so that factor is still there

but there needs to be a fine line drawn between getting the actual repair from a crafter and using the kit, something to set them apart, and maybe getting 75% instead of 100% off a repair kit(since you arent actualy that craft) wouldnt be a bad thought either.
im sure people wont like the sound of that, but at the same time those same people dont like repairs at all usualy
and there are others who would be grateful for it cuz they could just keeping doing whatever even if it isnt full

but as long as you dont generalize repairs with them, thats the main issue id have
if it requires a weevil elytron then it should require a kit that specificaly does that and so on, not a "bow repair kit" or something along those lines

and its very easy to go out of the way to make a single synth for every one of these items that does that. using the optimal rank of what it takes to actualy make those items(so if iron nuggets take rank 16 to make, the kit is also a 16 recipe to make and so on)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

well as i said, repair kits arent a bad idea as long as you dont generalize them
crafters would still be the ones to actualy make them, so that factor is still there

but there needs to be a fine line drawn between getting the actual repair from a crafter and using the kit, something to set them apart, and maybe getting 75% instead of 100% off a repair kit(since you arent actualy that craft) wouldnt be a bad thought either.
im sure people wont like the sound of that, but at the same time those same people dont like repairs at all usualy
and there are others who would be grateful for it cuz they could just keeping doing whatever even if it isnt full

but as long as you dont generalize repairs with them, thats the main issue id have
if it requires a weevil elytron then it should require a kit that specificaly does that and so on, not a "bow repair kit" or something along those lines

and its very easy to go out of the way to make a single synth for every one of these items that does that. using the optimal rank of what it takes to actualy make those items(so if iron nuggets take rank 16 to make, the kit is also a 16 recipe to make and so on)

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Thats fair enough. I could work with a system like that. Combining item specific repair kits, with a tiered system, that has a chance to fail (low chance like 10%-15%), and only repairs 75%. I think thats pretty reasonable and fair to the game rules. The only thing I'd add is that the repair kits be stackable, due to space and the fact that you might have varying types of gear.

Note: I also wouldnt mind either getting rid of durability on accessories or making it so that NPCs can repair them........ one or the other.

Hmm, I am only just now realizing at 4AM a few days later, that I spelled Convenient wrong. Sorry about that. I liked a lot of what you had to say about repair kits Alexia Kidd. Cairdeas, I'd still like to see your idea for it fleshed out too, if you haven't already?