Well the "miracle" fix is coming on Wednesday Sep. 3rd and what does SE do??? They choose 5pm to 3am pdt to take down every world and hopefully fix this huge problem they should've never had. If after 10+ hours of taking all worlds down during the peak playtime hours in the USA this crap isn't fixed people are going to quit in droves, why not take all worlds down maybe from 2am to 12pm, that makes more sense, instead you choose to screw over the US population again.
Servers will be down 5pm to 3am USA time?? (10+ hours).
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09-02-2013, 04:23 PMboxfaceServers will be down 5pm to 3am USA time?? (10+ hours).
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09-02-2013, 04:26 PMRaiz_CinerisSo you would rather they wait to fix the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by boxface
Lol wow this community is just so torn. If this was their earliest convenience then I say good for them. Holding off on fixing the game so you can get your playtime? Selfish much?
Fyi. This is an international game. Not a cater to U.S.A game and I am american -
09-02-2013, 05:03 PMLithera
They are bringing them down during Japanese business hours (9am-7pm Tokyo Time). As Raiz said this game is international. Most of the support for the team at the NA/EU datacenter is going to come from Japan so it makes sense. It also ensures that when they come back online they aren't being assraped by NA prime time volumes while the datacenter is manned with techs who have been up all night. We lose Tuesday night but by the time we get off work on Wednesday the system will have been live for a few hours and hopefully any wrinkles smoothed out. All the hiccups and repeat emergency maintenances can happen during JP prime time...
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09-02-2013, 05:11 PMPavise
From the oceanic gaming community and everyone else in the world...
How's it feel having maintenance during YOUR prime time?
You're going to get the same reaction that you all give the rest of us, 'deal with it'. -
09-02-2013, 05:20 PMPaintballrulz
Lol , you sure love to cry about anything and everything without even thinking do you ? Like Lithera said , it's an international game and guess what ? SE is based in Japan , guess how many hours difference you have with them ? 12-13h depending on the time of the year. Have you done your research on why they would do it at such time ? Of course not. Were you aware that there was different timezone in the world other than West Central and Est time ? Probably not.
You and your kind need to stop whining because everything isn't given to you when you want it. You can't play during 1 night big deal , try sleeping instead , do you think the Japanese are happier ? they can't play all day long ,they won't be sleeping during the day that's for sure. -
09-02-2013, 05:23 PMLetoAtreidesIII think he'd prefer to take down NA/EU servers during the JP prime time which is during late night/early morning for NA/EU and then do JP server maintenance during NA/EU prime time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiz_Cineris
Honestly, why they have NA and EU on the same server is stupid as hell. Why not an NA region, Asian region, and EU region set up? Why is it this company brags about 1 million+ beta sign ups and wasn't ready for that come launch day? Why is it they have had 3 launches of MMOs now (FFXI, first FFXIV, and now 2.0) and still can't get it right? Why is this company not using its multi-billion dollared ass to fix this before it's a problem? Why did they take no note from every other MMO and implement anti-afk measures before the game was even in beta? Come now, let's stop white knighting for SE. I loved Square so much as a kid, they are no longer that company.
I actually gave the same reaction for those other games actually, that it was bs and the companies should account for the time zone of the users and have the regions down during those regions' non-prime time hours. For an international corporation like most of the big MMO companies are, they could pull this off. And, honestly, for most they have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavise
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09-02-2013, 05:24 PMDreamCast
Awww da poor lil Ameri(the world revolves around me)can* gonna miss out on nothing ,
ffs go out have a beer its just a damn game
*not American generalization just aimed at OP :) -
09-02-2013, 05:29 PMBoyahdBecause Square does not have a dedicated location in the EU region to host the servers. Countless threads has been over this point before.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII
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09-02-2013, 05:33 PMLetoAtreidesIIYa I'm pretty sure the multi-billion dollar company coulda figured out a way to set that up over the last 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyahd
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09-02-2013, 05:35 PMLithera
Actually FFXI launch went well but it also launched 4 separate times. Initial JP launch, US PC Launch, US PS2 Launch, then worldwide xbox launch. FFXI went through server additions and eventually merges. There's always been hiccups and the first day or two after any patch was always hit and miss. Even 1.0s launch went okay it just happened to be a shit game. What's happened with this launch has really been surprising. I expected problems of varying types including server congestion but this has been unreal. I'd love to hear exactly what happened. Definitely true that they had 1.0 player count data as well as pre-orders so it's confounding that they wouldn't have prepared.
The NA/EU in the same datacenter...maybe they had some whacked out statistics regarding the playerbase in NA and Europe and thought there wouldn't be enough EU players to warrant a third datacenter (Datacenter would just bleed cash without a certain number of worlds/players based out of it). The number of worlds listed as (EU) for time zone purposes certainly seems to fit this. -
09-02-2013, 05:37 PMRiavan
Worst thing is, it's not fixing anything, just added some servers, won't help the already full servers.
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09-02-2013, 05:40 PMTandorBe careful what you ask for. I'd sooner have SE's way of handling both the NA and EU servers in one place and maintaining them at the same time than have them entering into a EU localisation partnership with the likes of ProSiebenSat.1, GOA or Ubisoft.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII
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09-02-2013, 05:53 PMLithera
It's called transfers....something they've proven to be fairly adept at handling during FFXI's lifetime. In fact FFXI retained a permanent World Transfer service after the last round of server expansions back in 2004, something that came in handy when the Xbox/Europe launch of the game cause some servers to start splitting at the seams. Normally transfers came with a fee but shortly after Xbox launch they started offering free transfers off the heavier populated servers. They'll just need to find a way to transfer Free Companies with FFXIV since starting an FC from scratch is miles different than restarting an LS on a new server.
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09-02-2013, 05:57 PMImpendus/facepalm Can't read or spell... 9am - 7pm Japanese business hours (Tokyo time), they lose the entire day. For the sake of your health, go outside, get some fresh air and spend some quality time with your friends. We lived through the mayan apocalypse, I'm sure we can handle maintenance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII
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09-02-2013, 05:58 PMRiavanThey told massively.com server transfers were 2-3 months away, when no one will be playing anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithera
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09-02-2013, 06:06 PMLithera
That was the paid world transfer service they were talking about. They weren't going to open up that service right off the bat knowing they'd likely get flooded. Now that they're adding servers they don't have a choice but to work out a transfer system quickly or they'll have a bunch of jammed full servers and a handful of shiny new half populated servers. They've done this before with FFXI so I have some expectations. I'm willing to see them through this just based on how they handled the FFXI server expansions etc. but if they drop the ball on this that will be it. FATEs are already horrible akin to Beseiged in FFXI. I couldn't imagine if they increased capacity and the server grew several hundred more people...maximum capacity and OPTIMUM capacity are most definitely two different things.
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09-02-2013, 06:13 PMLetoAtreidesIIYou do know when game prime times are right? And the average time people work in the majority of OECD nations of the world (which includes Japan)? Apparently not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impendus
I get out enough, I want to play my game at night when I'm home before I sleep. The game I paid for, mind you. -
09-02-2013, 06:18 PMThundaja
Ill have class on Wednesday, so meh it does not hurt me that much to come home and hey the servers are up.
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09-02-2013, 06:19 PMmrwussYou do not matter to anyone in the grand scheme of this company, get over your wants and settle for what you get.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII
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09-02-2013, 06:21 PMImpendusYou>rest of the populationQuote:
Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII
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09-02-2013, 06:25 PMMisaCeliousa
I'm fine with these times, finally it's during the morning at my place and not after I get home
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09-02-2013, 06:47 PMNekodar
Always was annoying in FFXI when they would do maintenance during EU prime.
Not sure if I will even have time to play before maintenance start though. -
09-02-2013, 06:53 PMMalekith
Maintenance is going to screw up someone, that's a given. This time is NA. As I don't live there, it's fine with me. That OP is so selfish that he gets worked into a tantrum because he can't play a few hours and wishes that this happened to others, it's just typical of the shitty world you end up living when the laws of evolution are ignored
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09-02-2013, 06:56 PMImpendusMedical science went full retard and saved the wrong people!Quote:
Originally Posted by Malekith
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09-02-2013, 07:01 PMMalekithIt's more a question of how society decided to handle the dumb and the LCDQuote:
Originally Posted by Impendus
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09-02-2013, 07:06 PMKraggyKorLOL at "screw-over US", GROW UP! It's EU Prime Time entirely, so if SE hates anyone it's the EU players.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxface
They're in JAPAN, this is 8 or 9 AM their time and they're doing it so all the people they'll need are on-hand. Yes, the servers are in Canada but the technical knowledge is in Japan so if/when issues arise deploying these updates the needed staff will be immediately available. -
09-02-2013, 07:16 PMStormPoetActually no... its US Prime time. To quote the post for EU @ http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...79#post1152379Quote:
Originally Posted by KraggyKor
[Date & Time]
From Sep. 4, 2013 00:00 to Sep. 4, 2013 10:00 (GMT)
* The completion time may be subject to change.
That certainly doesn't look like "EU Prime Time entirely" as you put it. Learn to tell time.
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09-02-2013, 07:29 PMErvin
I'm glad for once to not be the one shafted by US based maintenance, now the americans get to know how it feels. For once it's during a decent time in the EU, from around 0200 to 1200 CET on wednesday.
I cant count the MMO games where EU players have been shafted by US maintenance. Even in GW2 which had seperate datacenters/servers for US and EU we got maintenance during US buisness hours. -
09-02-2013, 07:32 PMBoyahdFinally, a voice of reason in all of this. People seem to be conveniently forgetting that the time span is within the business working hours of the Japanese crew for Square Enix so that they can have all hands on deck for the maintenance. Which would you prefer, not during EU/NA prime time but during JP skeleton crew time so that we have a shoddy fix at best, or during their JP working hours and we sacrifice a day of gameplay so that they can have their top workers solve this mess? And don't give me this bullshit about it's in Canada so it's not the JP crew's entire problem. As an employee at Freescale, we extensively worked with the Chinese crew concerning our products, and that meant we had to work extremely late in the night so that we can have the China Freescale's top engineers on hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by KraggyKor
In short, I understand you're mad about the whole server thing as I am, but on whining about the maintenance time, get over yourselves. You can't supersede your selfishness over a sound technical plan to get this problem alleviated. -
09-02-2013, 07:33 PMNekodarCEST actually... CET is only GMT+1 after all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ervin
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09-02-2013, 07:39 PMbmcmvoxUnlike their last fix that went from not being able to queue for instances they made us bottleneck through in the first place to not being able to play at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxface
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09-02-2013, 07:47 PMRilr
I'm fine with the maintenance even if it's during my prime time (EU) as long as the servers will get fixed, heck, I wouldn't even mind if they'd just do the maintenance now. Most people complaining here just sound like people that don't have anything else to do besides the urge to play FF.
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09-02-2013, 07:48 PMaphexacid
If this fixes the problems then I will willingly miss out on a day of playing, not like i've been able to get on anyway
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09-02-2013, 07:49 PMbmcmvoxQuote:
Originally Posted by Rilr
Or maybe we spent money on a product we can't use. And that is a little irritating . -
09-02-2013, 07:53 PMKisskerYea I mean were dumb or something paying money and expecting to get actual product out of it. I mean on top of that, think about the monthly fees, were renting the use of 1017 repeatedly, and not getting the product advertised... if only there were something legal we could do about it, if it isn't resolved in a timely manner..Quote:
Originally Posted by bmcmvox
Oh wait... Class action lawsuit regarding false advertisement of a finished product and failure to deliver such a product when advertised as such.
Although honestly I hope it doesn't come to that.
This major downtime doesn't have any "fix" listed for "massive players AFKing because they think that helps the problem" - no instead it lists new servers and some fixes for other errors. So unless they are "sneaking" it in, as soon as the downtime is done - if you don't get in, you'll be right back to waiting.
Sucks for us that actually LOG OUT when we go to bed/work/school. -
09-02-2013, 07:55 PMufufuOkay, but it's nigh-impossible to get in during NA prime time anyway, and this is supposedly going to fix these problems for good, so what's the sense of complaining about the timing of the maintenance that is going to let you play?Quote:
Originally Posted by bmcmvox