So I was doing a dungeon today and I noticed whenever scale armor would drop (armor type below heavy tank gear and above leather, pretty much for dragoons and lancers) and even though it says LNC and DRG as useable, and it's basically Dragoon's armor type, it would only only me greed. So of course the tank would need and win. Then of course plate armor in the same slots would drop and he would then win those too.
Is there a particular reason why DRGs can't roll on scale armor? I could understand if it was the heaviest type of armor and maybe SE wanted tanks to get their tank gear more easily, but it's not even the best tank gear. It has lower armor than plate and is all dps stats. This frustrating cause it means we have to roll on leather, which while fine for dpsing, the armor is nicer to have when soloing. Plus it means we take armor away from Monks and Bards. Seems pretty silly to me.
Dragoons Cannot Roll On Scale Armor?
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08-28-2013, 04:39 PMCainanDragoons Cannot Roll On Scale Armor?
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08-28-2013, 05:41 PMDrachnyen
I had the exact same earlier, I remember it saying that it was unsuitable to my class but clearly had "LNC DRG" there and was perfect stats for a Lancer/Dragoon. Needless to say the tank ended up with it :(
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08-28-2013, 05:52 PMBlackShroudMercs
There was a thread on this I read earlier, I think people said it is because it only can be needed by the class that has optimal use for it, in other words yeah you can wear it but the tank would probably benefit more so you can only greed.
That's just what I gathered from the conversation, as a DPS you would probably wear it for a shorter time because you upgrade a lot for better damage stats and what not.
Not saying I agree with that, I think if it has LNC on it we should be allowed to need, but there you go.. -
08-28-2013, 06:17 PMLeonasNo. This gear has stats geared towards damage. Not parry, etc. LNC/DRG is SUPPOSED to be able to wear scale, but apparently no one told the loot system that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackShroudMercs
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08-29-2013, 02:08 AMfruhead
I've been noticing that too. My bigger question is, does DEX do anything for a LNC/DRG, as the scale type armours don't have it. I know DEX deals with ranged physical damage, and I'm wondering if DEX affects the jumps or Piercing Talon. If so, then it would make sense why leather is needed more than scale.
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08-29-2013, 02:16 AMKauld
I have had a similar thing happen on my Marauder with plate that clearly said MRD on it. I wasn't able to need roll on it . So I doubt its just Dragoons but a loot bug in general.
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08-29-2013, 02:48 AMDarian
I would recommend taking a screen shot of it next time and reporting it as a bug.
Also try to include anything that might help them look into the issue such as: what dungeon, what class/job you were on, and what time it happened at. -
08-29-2013, 03:29 AMGoronmonAFAIK LNC/DRG gain nothing from the DEX on gear, so it really makes no sense that we can't roll Need on it in an instance. Plus, it's already terrible enough using the Duty Finder as a DPS class, the last thing we need is more reasons to favor tanks (I say that as someone who switches between LNC and MRD fairly regularly).Quote:
Originally Posted by fruhead
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08-29-2013, 04:24 AMDarken
I had the same thing happen to me in Halatali last night. I did not actually need the gear that dropped because it was not as good as what I was wearing, but it was LNC/DRG was listed as able to use. I could only greed on it.
I didn't think much of it at the time, but there are a few things that got me thinking today. I queued as a Drg, but the instance was capped at 25. The Drg job is not available till lvl 30, and I am not sure if that caused the instance to confuse things? -
08-29-2013, 04:27 AMSkies
This is... Weird.
Because Scale Armor is quite literally THE Lancer Armor, lighter than Tank armor, but too havy for any other DD armor. It even goes "GLA, MRD, LNC" on it and has DD stats.
This might be an unintended side-effect of the changes to the looting rules -
08-29-2013, 04:29 AMDervyIf it had Crit Rating an Determination, then DRG/LNC gets priority. If it doesn't, then Tank gets Priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonas
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08-29-2013, 02:45 PMLothar
I lost some scale armor to the healer :(
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08-29-2013, 07:53 PMSuldrunI have real doubts with this. Based on what you say, for every item a tank can use (such as leather stuff marked as "Disciples of War"), the tank would get priority...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dervy
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08-29-2013, 10:44 PMZenmakuNo, its appalling that a fellow lancer would say such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dervy
Plate offers far better Defense than Scale. Tanks should always be wearing gear with higher Defense. Even if the drop in a dungeon is Scale and happens to be better than their plate because their plate is out of date, that just means they need to update their plate mail _not_ roll on scale. -
08-30-2013, 02:02 AMwildone9825
I didnt think this was gonna be a huge deal until it happened to me last night lol. I feel as a lancer I have just as much of a right to roll need on an armor that I can wear. Key word being "armor" which raises my character's def, which I definetly have a NEED for! I know the tank role has a need for good armor but so does everybody so let us both roll for it and each get a chance. Instead I have to hope that the tank already has great armor and is gonna pass and let me have a chance at it, which everyone knows happens all the time in an MMO lol.
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08-30-2013, 02:05 AMDervyIt's Disciple of War isn't it? Don't WAR and PLD fit into DoW roles? So why wouldn't they be able to roll onto that gear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suldrun
It's not "appalling from a fellow Lancer". It's a game mechanic that I explained to you, not my personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenmaku
If you want your baddass Scale Gear, look up "Darksteel" it's LNC/DRG specific Scale Gear with Crit and sockets. It's crafting gear. That's what you'd want I suppose.
Also, you don't need all of that Defence in a dungeon, unless you're going to be careless about your positioning that is. -
08-30-2013, 02:20 AMwildone9825
Yea you might not need all that def in a dungeon when you have a CNJ with you but how about the other 90% of the time when your questing solo? Having the highest possible def rating is never a bad thing.
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08-30-2013, 02:30 AMMichinomoseki
please refer to an ongoing thread on this topic. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...on-lancer-gear.
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08-30-2013, 06:16 AMChaozK
Hmm they might have fixed it. I was able to need on a scale armor today.
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08-30-2013, 05:50 PMSuldrunYes, PLD and WAR are DoW and should might able to roll onto it (actually I think they can't as leather stuff only have dps stats but I could be wrong on this), but for the scale mail items - which ususally have dps stats and less lots defense than what tanks wear at that level, I would tend think that, as LNC fit into the MRD/GLD/LNC category they should be able to roll onto it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dervy
Now, if you could explain me how http://xivdb.com/?item/2724/Aetherial-Iron-Elmo is a tanking item with tanking stats on it, I might agree with you -
08-30-2013, 06:51 PMaziiz
happened to me yesterday with a warrior lvl50 and i was lvl 28 i couldn't roll need and he took it and i really don't know why he took it since he will never use it and he can't sell it anyway