Botanist's Overhaul: Ideas & Possiblities

Attention... this thread/list is subject to change along with the development of FFXIV, with it is a wish to better this class further then what is at present, always moving towards greater heights. Monthly [ Updated 8-28-2011 (OP Revamped :))]

All that is here is for the Improvement of Botanist, (*I'm sure there is no need to say it however here it is anyways for anyone that want it read it.) ... More Shiny nodes and many other ways to interact with the plants, environment, and possibly the wild-life of eorzea and much more, bring out an fun & exciting adventure.

Someday, Botanist will grow & blossom to what it should be; " An Amazing Adventure In Itself that Explores all the Land: "Exploration, Searching, Discovery, Gathering, Achievements, Knowledge, Growth, Botany, Life & Death. " [these words barely explain it all because there is so much more to it that can be worked on].


Be positive and post your suggestion if you have one or comment about what you like. usually a link is created for the really good ones then put in down below to be easily viewable, hopefully it'll helps while browsing.

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-Category : Botanical-

Fields (Cultivation)

Flowers

Gardening (Outside)

Greenhouse

Plants/Planting [Seeding]

-Category : Eorzea's Wild Life-

Gathering from Monsters (Plant-like Types)

Hunting & Gathering

Plant Type Creatures ..... *Example: Goobue's

Mystical Creatures >Encounters while gathering .... *Example: Elementals .

-Category : Environment-

Climbing Trees

Dens and other stuff

Environmental Changes

Walking Trees

-Category : Actions/Abilities-

Add an "Climb Tree" (Interaction Menu) or (Ability)

Addition of an "Defend (Ability)"

(Directed towards Gathering> The Defeated Beast) Addition of "Mummify" & "Preservation"

Add more to "Stone Throw"

"Triangulate"s Adjustment

-Category : Tools-
Tool's Scythe & Hatchet Changes Please (link to>>1 & 2

Tool Combination Options (link to>>1 and 2

The Future Possible Tool for Botanist...*Examples: Crosscut-saw (two-man) , Ladder, gathering knife, etc..

-Category: Items -
Spores Collection (New Item + Fun Mini-Activity)

-Category: Other Content-
"The Path of ????" (Other Path Companions)


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Actually in thinking of the greenhouse idea, it would make sense as well as give the feature an instance for each player (ala Moghouse FFXI) also maybe they could incorporate the feature as an unlockable. e.g. allow Botanists to own their own green house after completing a quest only available after R20. (kinda like chocobo license in FFXI, i think if it were set to be able to do at botanist R20 it'd be a close enough goal to go for yet still high enough that it is an accomplishment.)

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Originally Posted by Neffie

Actually in thinking of the greenhouse idea, it would make sense as well as give the feature an instance for each player (ala Moghouse FFXI) also maybe they could incorporate the feature as an unlockable. e.g. allow Botanists to own their own green house after completing a quest only available after R20. (kinda like chocobo license in FFXI, i think if it were set to be able to do at botanist R20 it'd be a close enough goal to go for yet still high enough that it is an accomplishment.)

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(Example 1; related to gardening)
Greenhouse's [Instance] :
For each player to have there own personal space, the greenhouse, weather player is solo/party/Ls to allow entrance is for them to decide.
Botanist Ranks from 1-50 *currently* could also be take part in the game-play mechanics; unlocking better(favored) or minimal(lesser) stuff at each rank-up :

How it works:
[Now Available; Botanist-R10s { Choose from: 1 Larger-Size or 1 smaller-size; and 10 spaces.]
[Now Available; Botanist-R20s { Choose from:______________.] (*similar to R10, better options)
[Now Available; Botanist-R30s { Choose from:______________.] (*fill it in the blanks later)
[Now Available; Botanist-R40s { Choose from:______________.] (*fill in blanks please)
[Now Available; Botanist-R50s { Choose from:______________.] (*Note-to-self: an idea for 50s)
--[Botanist-R1 is default sized]}[1-2 spaces ?]--

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(Example 2; related to gardening)
Greenhouse's [Quests}or{Main Quest]:
For each player gets (*double reward at r10,r20,r40,r50*, and can collect rewards from an NPC whenever you want)

[Completed Quest Reward; = Botanist R1-R10 {r1-r9 Single Reward Choose: (???), {r10 Double Rewards: (???)
[Completed Quest Reward; = Botanist R10-R20 {r11-r19 Single Rewards: (???)<>(???) , {r20 Double Rewards: (???)<>(???)
[Completed Quest Reward; = Botanist R20-R30 { r21-r29 Single Rewards (?, ?, ?) , {r30 Double Rewards: (?, ?, ?) *(however limited to choices 2 out of 3 rewards)*
[Completed Quest Reward; = Botanist R40-R50 {r31-r49 Single Rewards (?, ?, ?, ?) , {r40 Double Rewards (?, ?, ?, ?,] *( also possible limitations)*
[Completed Quest Reward; = Botanist (R50 Super Mega Reward!?! (???? ????} (Current Highest Level for greenhouse's items and stuff)

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(Example 3; related to gardening)
Greenhouse's [Open Areas]:
For Botanist's Class Usage Only, many building big or small are constructed; The Greenhouses.

- community meeting spot
- gathering point
- replanting spots
- access at anytime
- individual or group areas
- collected plants all across Eorzea or [*planting (seeding)]
- gardens, trees, lakes, and statues
- helper NPCs
- faculty use only tools

(example 1)
Basket [Primary? or and Secondary?]:
Basket's could be optional between Prime or and Secondary; (Example: Hatchet(Primary Tool) & Basket (Secondary) ; Scythe (Secondary). Though if Basket is between "Primary and Secondary" ether slot could be equipped first, then scythe becomes an stand-alone tool with basket. :) <<<Back to List<<<

Basket [Animation & Special Effects]:

• The basket doing the usual appear next to character's: feet, on the back, in-hands, or on top of head.
• Hidden in the background unseen (an toggle on/off feature).
• Different sizes bigger or smaller capacity; could depend on rank or choice of type.
• When it is full basket feels heavy (* and slows character movements).
• and basket's special effect it can expansion and swells becoming wider. :)

Basket [Support Tools/Items]

-A specific tool or item for supporting the class [in this case Botanist]
all basket's usage depends on different factors like Class, Rank, Stats, etc...
-It has been know when using one it is more effective while gathering.
each tool/item has it's own capacity to hold items of specific types by itself.
-The capacity can range from 1/50 and or greater to 1/500, all depends on which type is used;
also is stored on character's body or inventory, which then opens another window to oversee/sort what has been gathered.

Basket [Sorting Feature; [Preset- Auto] or [Manually -sort]
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-Tree Climbing:
To interact with any tree we'd come up, all the trees in eorzea ether small one and large one, to see amazing wonders only by climbing up. a new view of the world will become available. Discover a completely different side to Eorzea that's right above your head. the view and the feeling would be completely different from always walking on the ground. Many more gathering spots await.

•Climb a Tree (Ability): Scale up any tree trunk (gather here), then climb up toward the branches/leaves; (gather more), then reach the top; (*gather again), then enter inside the tree through a whole at the top and travel through tunnels; (*gather more and more), all the way back down to the bottom or enter its roots out or an underground pathways (*best gathering spot location).

•Height Sickness - [Rank/Class/Body - Limitations]
•An Amazing Viewing points, scenes from atop tree tops
•Monsters In/Climbing the Trees (example: Marmots, Galagos/Opo-opo etc...)

Dens
A hidden place that has gathering point all inside, the deep players travel within its deeps to more rarer treasure can be found, be it items, material or monster, all can be gathered from. finding clues to the whereabouts of dens. Some dens filled with dangerous mobs, that only high ranked players with the best abilities to avoid and survive this places.

GOOD>> Walking Trees
Trees are alive in a sense but they Don't Move or Walk However the world of Eorzea has proven otherwise that trees Can Move if they wanted to. As to Grade Trees are they really grounded? if not after a while the trees could some day uproots itself and moves to another area. Tracking the same tree a botanist that can usually find often would soon become a bit more of challenge to say the least. But what if the trees begun to protect or defend themselves? could we harvest off them then? the tree probably wasn't in the mood so come back another time. taking caution and look out for signs, and quickly Running away if need be, [gathering becomes a risk]. Then when they're moving around don't be climbing it there could be a possibility of falling. (<<<Go to List<<<

"Why do trees uproot and move away on their own?" maybe in search of better soil, light & water, or just make it more difficult for you to gather from them.

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Plant-like Monsters: a plant-like monster should have gathering point on there bodies somewhere for Botanist to gather, only a botanist can harvest "plant-like monster". As 1 of 3 of DoL plants/monsters would be specified to them.
For Example; "Funguar's" or "Goobbue's" are good example of Eorzeas wild life and plant-types.[/COLOR]

Goobue: Build like a boulder Goobue's are tough creatures, and just from looking at it this being brings a thought to mind "Simply a World Wonder" so not only does he? or her? who knows, ether way Botanist could climb up (related to Climbing) on their Big Backs and then begin gathering the moss (*Boyahda Moss) and branches that grows there. This is definitely a risk to do because the Goobue could attack at any moment! but it could be worth the challenge . :D please click here for further details

Mystical Creatures >Encounters<: meeting one of this creatures could change the way a Botanist spends his days smacking... chopping trees, as to finding new different exciting ways to go about the usual days in Eorzea.

Mystical Creature #1. - Elementals : Seemly existing as part of Eorzea itself the elemental inhabit rock, trees or any other form. Botanist's or in general any other DoL probably should have more encounters with these mystical beings of that nature more often. Elementals could give blessings or curses depending on what is done and how. ( a Botanist's usual day is to Gather the needed materials to use for DoH or sell the spoils gathered from grade tree/nodes, However something different could happen once an a while to make things more interesting. An encounter with one of the Air, Earth, Ice, Water, Lightning, Fire (and etc..) Elemental's, if one chooses to follow a DoL or we follow it, the outcome could lead to rare gathering being located and or encounter dangerous but wondrous situations along the path. :D

Greenhouse: SORRY ^^ IT'S UNDER RECONSTRUCTION, someday may repost.

Plants/Planting [Seeding]: The beginning of anything starts out very...very small then begins to grow and soon enough change/blossom into it's adult form. Soon enough many bear fruit while others grow beautiful too attract insects or other creatures to spread there spores thus more grow else where.

Gardening (Inside & Outside): [Related to [Plants] and however different style] For a single or group of players to come together and help change Eorzea (even if just a little) by gardening. A small or large area full of Vegetables, Flowers and Weeds (:eek: pull it) any player that choose the Botanist can grow a garden. [maybe getting permit is needed to ground the land] or better yet [Complete Freedom to plant anywhere however each player should set a time per person, or and an [Instant] possibly] (other classes can also reap the benefits of the Garden as well, depends)^^GOOD

Cultivation [Fields]: cultivation nodes; give back,/gathering nodes: take away. Find a open field outside in eorzea then begun cultivating it, a lot of effort will be needed to turn it into a productive area to yield better resources and make gardens for your plants, the untamed lands of Eorzea hold much secrets so maybe digging around someday you'd find out a secret or two.^^GOOD

Rock, Roots, and Weeds: they get in the way of gathering, it simply could be an obstacle of sort to over come, someday.

I would love to see planting, gardening and fields implemented ^^ cool ideas!

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Originally Posted by Moth

I would love to see planting, gardening and fields implemented ^^ cool ideas!

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Creative threads with constructive ideas and suggestion are always great to read, but they don't get noticed very easily. Glad you like it Moth, plants are a botanist's "bread and butter" as the saying goes. lets hope someday we get the butter ^^ :).

i love the idea of planting, and greenhouses , also love the idea of meeting up with the elemental s.

Also with botanist, you are carrying an ax but yet,, you cant attack a monster with it lol, i know if i was in the woods, with a brass axe, and a monster came at me, id chop that thing in half.

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Originally Posted by KoontaKintay

i love the idea of planting, and greenhouses , also love the idea of meeting up with the elemental s.

Also with botanist, you are carrying an ax but yet,, you cant attack a monster with it lol, i know if i was in the woods, with a brass axe, and a monster came at me, id chop that thing in half.

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To fight or not to fight that is the question, a hatchet or an axe both are used for shaving wood and cutting beasties, it all depends on what the tool is used for current for (botanist only use hatchet for gathering). Using it to kill beasts? not to sure about that one, but now that you bring up the subject Koonta maybe it could also be used to Protect Ourselves if its truly needed; as an *action/ability that could added to Botanist's defensive/offensive ability, and probably for the other DoL classes as well. But also using it in that way could be infective (*a tool for gathering degrades faster compared to tools of battle, and other things*) since Botanists are not really meant for battles. The Action/Ability>"Wrist Flick" come to mind since it is along the same line. This could opening up new possibilities, running away won't be the only thing botanist's could do try at least to Defend Yourself from aggressive attackers if need be.

Things such as greenhouses are an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how often I'd use it.. I also love the idea of a basket.
If Botanists had a greater impact on the environment then it'd be more fun! For instance, lets say an area in the black shroud loses some greenery/dies/becomes brown, etc. It could be a botanists job to go there, plant new seeds, or just in general take care of the area?

And this may not even have to be a quest, it can be an open world thing that occurs so everything can witness the changes that botanists make. (I apologize if this was already mentioned on the thread, but I'm a slow reader and skim things uber fast)..

In conclusion, this would make botanists feel more wanted in the world probably. Cuz as of know, I just harvest some logs and *sometimes* trade them to my friends who *sometimes* need them :-/ That's about all I do as a botanist..

Note: Also! Similar things can happen with other fieldcraft too, like maybe there's too much fish in a pond and fisherman have to clear it out, or some rockslide occurs somewhere and a miner needs to help clean it up? Who knows.

Yes, its one of the main concerns for the botanist class that there isn't much verity with gathering locations and other things. Also a lack of uniqueness leaving nothing much to do after gathering; (a good example: after gathering from a location gatherers must leave the area admittedly after because a pack of animals are approaching. if only in my dreams)

and just as you've said:

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Originally Posted by CrystalObsidian

If Botanists had a greater impact on the environment then it'd be more fun! Lets say an area turns a different color compare to the usual greenery indicating a change in the area and for whatever reasons something has happened and only a Botanists (and other DoLs) can set things right.

Be it a Quest or Open World (or behest) thing that occurs so everything can witness the changes that botanists make. In conclusion, this would make botanists feel more wanted in the world probably. [/B]

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...It's always great here more thoughts toward improvement, very nice :)..

"Going above and beyond the call of duty .... goes into territory that a Botanist doesn't usually go however to farther understand plants of all kinds one must challenge ones self."

[*This thought was in my head but hadn't been clearly stated, I apologize for the missing info]
Gathering from monsters ( Plant-like Beasts) : There are 2 types that could be implied from what I can think of.

(Example 1)
-Savaging Beasts after they have been defeated.
What happens when a DoL gathers from a defeated Beast?
Obviously its not possible for us gatherers to kill them with our gathering tools so let the DoW/DoM do away with the beast. First monster doesn't disappear within a few seconds after it is defeated, Secondly a Botanist can or must then extract all materials, then only then does it disappear, and possibly Third the beast becomes solid when savaging it's parts and showing animation of the savage.
(Example 2)
-Assignment of Specific Beast for DoL Classes Only *like Botanist by themselves. (*Think is I've felt it for awhile now that some creatures of Eorzea probably shouldn't be on the hunting list at all.)(maybe because they're too cute)

What could happen? [after trimming a little off the top it grows back easily overtime]
Options:
A.) Beastie doesn't like it and shakes you off by running away.
B.) It didn't like it, roars to provoking you to back-off.
C.) It become furious and kills you.
D.) It Eats You! :eek:
E.) While gathering from beasties you lost Materials, HP, SP etc. (it could happen, and it puts a degree of risk in gathering).
F.) It lets you gather from it with little complaint. :)

Hasty Hand for BTN 50. 0 SP but you clear the node with a single 'whooosh' ninja maneuver of your hatchet. Would burn through your gathering points and put you in fatigue quicker, but at least you could fill orders in a timely fashion and have time to sit down and craft, or kill things.

Currently I'm spending hours and hours each day trying to supply linkshell people with materials, and I find it hard to balance that time with home life. A hasty hand ability would probably solve that for me without introducing any influx of items into the game.

It couldn't introduce an influx of item because fatigue is still there, which prevents it. All I'm asking is to be able to hit fatigue sooner, and get the items for other players sooner. Hell, it could even come with a 0% chance of getting HQ items.

Sharing abilities from crafting classes Mmmm... I guess it might be okay because it's stated as DoL/DoH. My only thought/worry is from your post I can only see that your focus is Crafting Primary and Botanist Secondary(*nothing wrong with that), don't get me wrong I know it can't be helped that Botanist current role is only to chop trees. I'm very glad SE Devs turned Botanist=gathering into a class of its own, the think is it can be much more, I think botanist can stand on its own as part of (dol); breaking the current limitation we place on things, and like other threads I've read they also want improvements toward DoL Gathering in general. so to sum up your suggestion could start something and I can see it as a win-win that helps.
sorry I ranted for a bit there...

Hasty Hand for BTN 50? well lets say I'm a rank 26 BTN so I've got to wait until R50 to get it? what would be the lowest optimal rank? maybe if it could be brought with BTN Guild points reward of an NPC someday in the future. If we're discussing crafting then I think it should be dependent towards crafters to learn the abilities then use them, Usable Abilities Cross-Classes has its good parts and bad parts but at least DoL/DoH would have that option available .

Overall I see a few problems but it could work, something would be done to adjust things ... also if 1 ability like Hasty Hand is implied then naturally the other abilities would soon follow... then depending on many other factors (market system, inventory, etc.. ) adjustments, then a link between class abilities that might be better that how I see it.

Some other ways...(example)
Botanist: Hasty Hand Activates for While your Gathering *Shine

-the mini game is forgo then switching to an automatic continuous chops mode, until all is gathered from a grade tree. (well the Fatigue system is said to be removed, but we're talking about the current now)
-hit a tree only one time yielding many materials all at once, no mini-game, and higher possibility of obtaining nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by ChelseaPride

Hasty Hand for BTN 50. 0 SP but you clear the node with a single 'whooosh' ninja maneuver of your hatchet. Would burn through your gathering points and put you in fatigue quicker, but at least you could fill orders in a timely fashion and have time to sit down and craft, or kill things.

Currently I'm spending hours and hours each day trying to supply linkshell people with materials, and I find it hard to balance that time with home life. A hasty hand ability would probably solve that for me without introducing any influx of items into the game.

It couldn't introduce an influx of item because fatigue is still there, which prevents it. All I'm asking is to be able to hit fatigue sooner, and get the items for other players sooner. Hell, it could even come with a 0% chance of getting HQ items.

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(*Abilities!)-
What about that movement speed buff that we'd get from Triangulate's it could be adjusted. Thing is I've been thinking about this since the release of ffxiv around October. Having used it once then the thought came to mind, "the time and usage should be extended from what it is..."

For example: Extension Triangulate I: 1 minute, Triangulate II: 2 minute, Triangulate III: 3 minutes, Triangulate IV: 4 minutes, Triangulate V: 5 minutes, etc (*special effects, greater speeds increase, the cool-down timer increased as well to balance things. Not only could it be used for traveling to grade trees far away also for gathering purposes to.) :) I'm hoping it gets more impact with the coming patch that the devs said they are reworking the abilities for all classes, I can only hope that might being to solve things without having to get abilities from other classes just yet, that way DoL stays unique and can grow someday.

:)Edit: An Update is HERE!:)Gathering options for F Key Action Mode: give it a purpose for gathering, at present when activated nothing happens.

Suggestions: when pressing the F key on the Keyboard Character Activities or gains Gathering Search Features.

(example 1)
Gathering Mode: The grade trees, all that are within range of characters sight, lighting will brighter and flows stronger. Gathering from grade trees without much interference everything else becomes Shaded; Non-grade trees, Rock, Waters, monsters, Players, etc .

(example 2)
Hidden View Scan: See Eorzea differently then before, gathering areas become more visible, when exploring for materials even see hidden treasure chests laying about, and more wondrous things.

(example 3)
Hawk Eyes: see gathering spots yards or miles away, from both Previous gathered point and Next gathering point or beyond that to distance lands.

"What Defines a Botanist?" The Tools he or she uses .... Hatchet & Scythe are the only two presently ... other tool have been spotted (visit the Botanist Guild) Someday it will become available to Botanists in Eorzea and more. Here is a list of the tools Botanist could possibly have and tools that are at present unavailable.
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"Crosscut Saw" (Future Possibility ?) A two-man style for woodcutting, this is a possible ... to change and challenges should been there. Still to keep a balance between man & nature, protecting and caring for the wood should stay prime in Eorzea. however on rare occasions it would be possible.
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"Gathering Knife" (Future Possibility ?) A tool used for gathering/cutting of another types of resource; flowers, plants, herbs, plant parts and perhaps hides. (*This is related to "Plants/Planting", "Fields" "Gathering from Beast" , "Hunting & Gathering" and "Plant-Type Monsters")

"Shove" (Presently Unavailable): Digging around into the ground and getting dirty is the next step, any botanist worth there gil must have a pair of shoves, ether big ones or small ones.

"Ladder" (Presently Unavailable) A multiply-purpose ladder able to be used at anytime as a tool for botanist, it could be might be a great addition; as to "reach higher places then normally possible". [I've seen a few in-game ladders hanging about but those are not usable for anything currently and I shake my head in disbelieve "Why can we us those?" , I find it very interesting thinking about the possibilities and what would be needed as for using a ladder, someday": Trees (related to Climb Trees)].^^GOOD

"Pots" (Presently Unavailable) large container or small container both work fine for holds dirt and soils, plant a trees, flowers etc.. of you're very own. LOTS of different Types.

"Soil & Dirt" (Presently Unavailable) obtain by buying or gathering it from the ground outside, the richer the better.

"Baskets or Bags" (Presently Unavailable) putting items in it until it is filled to the brittle. Baskets or Bags, any would do nicely, almost anything as long as it supports and fits items in it well enough. How about also Engraving a name on the side showing who made it and who now owns it. Also dyeing it different colors and making it with gathered materials. Quick Examples: >>> 1 to 4 >>> ^^GOOD
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(more coming soon)

"The Path of The ?????"(paths)
An Extension of Class Duties & Other Companions

As we (players) of FFXIV most know the meaning of "Path" however at present in-game there is only 1 "path" and only 1 "companion". So it came to me one day there need to be more paths or companions someday or something similar to them. I'll start by discussing botanist's progress towards his or her path what type there could be, more cut-scenes and a path companion helps more often and also someday it could be towards further heightening our "Skills/Abilities" and further Understanding of a class :).
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Songstress: Seek-out a Moggles that will teach you the songs and bestow instruments upon you, put the hatchet to the side for a moment, then sing a song or play a melody just learned from the wood. "The Path of the Song" is filled with new music undiscovered songs that can make gathering an even more joyous experience and enhance the quality of finds even more. Tool: a "harp?" or "orb?" or "bell?"

Gardener: Relax and take it easy from crafting or fighting for a while, take up "The Path of Gardening"; caring for and growing your own plants, flowers, trees and all kinds of green-life. Then one day reap the benefits when the crops are fully ready to be harvested. Then one day you'd meet a companion that happens to sprouted out of the ground. [Related to "gardens, plants, pots, and plant-like monsters"]

Dreamer: Have you ever found yourself having a dream that seemed very real? but then you'd wake moments later ... The "Path of the Dreamer" follows these "Dreams" and then acts on them "did it exist? or not?". A path with mystery and wonder around each corner, Meet your companion and fellow dreamers in *a hazy plain filled with white mist. Many call the "Dreams" > "Visions": "To see what Can Not be seen with the eyes". [one such miqo'te's experience if I recall]


Seedseeker: Gridania's Leader, Gridania & the Black Shroud is the ideal place for any Botanist. A higher standing position with rules & authority and to command others. it is known that they protect the wood with Spiritual-like Energies and Communication with the wood itself and who knows what else. "Path of the Seedseeker" is not a path that just anyone could take the role & duties upon themselves.

Drone: gather ... gathering and more gathering, going from one place to another place (*like a Bee). Only plus is that you'd travel to new locations to gather keeping busy and it's never the same spot twice (reducing repetitiveness). Tools: "free-hands" or "scythe"

Fieldworker: Working the fields is always a difficult job, very low gil commission and its hot that you sweat a lot, however when all your crops finally bear fruit its all worth it in the end. Tools: " free-hands" or "scythe"

Hunter: A true hunter has many choices to chose from, as he or she is not limited of choices. Now on the "Path of the Hunter" which would you or with a companion hunt, Plants? or Beast? or something else. Tool: Gathering Knife? or Hunting Knife?

Treasure-Seeker: Go on a epic journey of discovery, explore the world like never before; through mazes, tunnels, and solving puzzles. Helping others people find treasure, and maybe even save the world someday all while still gathering. Gold, Jewels, and Gil is what you most want ... If it's better rarer items you seek to gather, if it's more thrilling adventurer's to get to those items and if to get those you'd have to brave unspeakable perils; then this "Path of the Treasure-seeker" is what you truly seek. "and if it get to tough for ya ya can always run back to grinding them trees"

Hermit: Solitary (*well not to that extent lol), only conversing with the beasts of Eorzea, using your gift "Echo of Life", Living among the land and surviving off what you've yourself have gathered. Hydaelyn is your one true companion, it's voice speaks to you, gaining wisdom and tranquility. A peaceful world waits those who pursue "The Path of the Hermit".
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[What's next? could be the Protector?, a Scout?, maybe Treasurer?, or perhaps Raider? ... only time will tell so look forward to it.]

- Flowers: are a very important part of the world however at present they are nothing more then mere decoration that cannot be touched and non-interact. As we traveling though Eorzea you're sure to see many of different flowers everywhere; from blue ones, red ones, purple ones, yellow/white ones, and even weird ones ... very pretty little flowers indeed.
What does this have to do with Botanist? if the meaning of the name "botany" isn't a mistranslation of some sorts then everything about it.

Having more types added someday; possible flower ideas - Dangerous Types , Blooming Types, Mini & Giant Type, Glowing Types Flowers.

[What would they be used for that relates to crafting? Different kinds of flowers means more different kinds of materials/items to be in new recipes.]
[What would they be used for that relates to gathering? as to gardening, growing thinks and different kinds of interactions]

"Stone Throw" Description: "Throw a rock at an enemy". Problems: No Gathering Purpose, Throw range is Poor, No Tactical Use]

[Here's is some suggestions how it could be improved]

-Gathering: ( Stone Throw should be useful in gathering as well) Throw stone's at a rock walls, In a waters, and Up in a Trees to find hidden nodes.

-Sounds: it's seems like the same sound, so how about a Ding or Clank, and the sound depends what is hit be it type of monster or object.

-Animation: Seeing Character pick up a stone from the ground.

-Impact: Depend on an area's ground to get stones, sometimes resulting in stone throw having an effects.

-Practical: ability can be used in another ways, or at anytime, with practice skipping stones on water, or at signboards would be possible, etc.

[extras:
-Battles: Increase range and increase blows, and get Stone Throw II, Stone Throw III, etc.
"Aim" Stone Throw: Hit Head, Mouth, Eyes, Feet, Back (each has different effects) at opponents.

-Magic: Infuse magic into the stones.

-Crafting: "stone throw" instant failure.

-Overall: better tactical use.]

(*and as I've said before I can only hope things turn out for the better with the change that are said to come in the next few patches)

Interesting idea, though I think this is more beast master territory; Botany is the study of plants and Zoology is the study of animals. (Cryptology being the study of monsters, if you want to go one further.)
I would like to see implemented rewards for BOT, FSH, and MNR levels while on other classes, though, for example a fisherman changing to Gladiator and killing a fish is likely to know more of fish than someone with no fishing skill at all, surely?
The same could be said of monsters involving rock (spriggans for one example) being linked to Miner, and Seedkin being linked to Botanists.
This would also allow other farming classes which may be introduced in the future to slot into other beast types.
The rewards could range from a few extra drops, enhanced chance of finding rarer drops, or even exclusive drops entirely.
Nice idea for beast master, though.

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Interesting idea, though I think this is more beast master territory; Botany is the study of plants and Zoology is the study of animals. (Cryptology being the study of monsters, if you want to go one further.)

I would like to see implemented rewards for BOT, FSH, and MNR levels while on other classes, though, for example a fisherman changing to Gladiator and killing a fish is likely to know more of fish than someone with no fishing skill at all, surely?
The same could be said of monsters involving rock (spriggans for one example) being linked to Miner, and Seedkin being linked to Botanists.
This would also allow other farming classes which may be introduced in the future to slot into other beast types.
The rewards could range from a few extra drops, enhanced chance of finding rarer drops, or even exclusive drops entirely.
Nice idea for beast master, though.

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"Idea for Beast Master?" the thought never even crossed my mind. BTM? are those that control beast or tame them right?, as great as that may sound it's the farthest idea from Botanist's Overhaul, I didn't even see it coming. I'm sorry if one or more of the ideas so far has lead to this, it was not my intention. ... The "Beast/Plant Ideas" were meant to be stated within bounds as to "Beasts that have Plant Traits". (*I mentioned Goobues once before; they have "Moss" or "Branches" on there body right? then a botanist has work to do, gather that moss and branches; :) shave it bald; that is a possibility). Some other creatures that are related to the woods of eorzea are mentioned as well. Funguses, Elementals, Cactuars, and Seedlings, each are good examples of monster-plants and nature. True it may be stretching and bending the rules a bit when stating Beasts/Plants, "Botany is the study of plants" to still classify them as plant-like existences, it might be Okay, Botanist can continue to "Gather", "Grow", "Study" and "Understand" in all forms of plant life that was my intention . . . . . someday.

Now on another part of your post when saying "for example a fisherman changing to Gladiator and killing a fish is likely to know more of fish than someone with no fishing skill at all" that could be said that lancer the better choice because Fisher user a spear-like tool as well ... but I don't want to go into it further since this thread is suppose to be about Botanist after all. I thought about it and that might work somehow, if it's towards an idea of an "Odd-Job" of some sorts.


P.S. "What is Cryptology?" please post a link or description that states it is "The Study of Monster" I've Google It and something else entirely shows up ... are you using the right definition?

Ah, very good point. Cryptography is incorrect after all, Teratology or Crpytzoology is the correct term. (The former referring to Physical defects, and the latter to "Hidden Animals", such as the loch ness monster for example.)
I do like the idea of farming gobbues and funguars though, seeing as they are plant-like in their nature. They would have to be non-aggressive to start off with, however, which I know fuguars are at least. (Unless the seedkin eluder trait unlocked with Botany points can help with that.)
It would also go to solve the problem of trees being few and far between, and could make for a few more interesting levequests!
As for the gardening ideas of yours, absolutely love them!
The gardening system from FFXI could be tweaked and re-implemented to give Botanist points in 14, and would help Botanists reach 50 without having to run from tree to tree or wait for leves. Could link in with a few quests, too!

Hunter: A true hunter has many choices to chose from, as he or she is not limited of choices. Now on the "Path of the Hunter" which would you hunt Plants or Beast? or something else. Tool: Gathering Knife? or Hunting Knife?

Okay... so I saw a post earlier and had an idea and then I came upon this post. So I am going to put my idea here. (I am at work and continually searching around on the forums becomes a pain here, sorry I can't add the direct quote from the other post)...

Okay, earlier I saw someone say that we should be able to 'gather' from monsters/mobs. I agree with this. But there would need to be a little more to it than just DoW/DoM slaying mob and then DoL running up and gathering. This leaves open the possibility of you killing a mob to farm it, and some random a-hole running up while you are chaning equip and stealing your shiz... This can be eliminated easily and may even make the process easier for the Dev's.

1. You must be in a party (number of members doesn't matter, but the larger the mob, the more gathering possible, the more gatherers needed to get all 'carves' before mob disappears)
2. Ability that must be cast onto the mob to keep it from disappearing as soon as it's killed (Preserve?, Mummify?) or off hand equipment is bottles of Formaldehyde (Alchemist 40+?) and must attack using it for a chance to 'preserve' the carcass (level in relation to the mob would decide how long)

An issue I see with this though: the Dev's wanting to make this the only way to get pelts/wool/etc. and although that would make sense, this would make it nearly impossible for low level crafting/harvesting. So... this opens the window for the Devs to add new content! Entire Pelts? (For making tents maybe... saw a thread about tents for making camp out in the wilderness) Skeletons? (for new side quests and possible new orgs dealing with preservation of the history of the wilderness (hello Gridania!))

Well, I gotta run, but yeah... What do you think of them apples?

Another thought I had based on the original post here...

2 man Crosscut saws! Get into a party and go cut down a tree and then as a party log the whole thing. This could bring in a whole new level of DoL.

You would see a boost in enthusiasm to level your DoL.

-You would have to have to be ~lvl 20 for Grade one etc.
-You would have a set time to get the logging in based on tree grade
-Primary Tool users could log while Secondary users could gather near leafy end of tree for fruits, honey combs, sap etc.
-number of gatherings goes up per tree, but requires more than one player to get usage of whole tree.
-Trees 'regrow' after set time
-Maybe need DoW/DoM along to keep aggro mobs at bay?
-could open up more items such as Quarter Hewn wood (Used in real life to make violins, as an example, opening up a crafting possibility for future Bard Job weapons/tools?) and Heart Wood (used to make sturdier things, like boat strakes...)

Let me know what you think of that. I have a few more ideas, but I don't think they fit this thread...

Later

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2 man Crosscut saws!

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Excellent!!

"Two is always better then One" as the saying goes, I like it :D .

the whole party concept for gathering became questionable since it's been said gathering will be for Solo, *sigh if only something more was added I be more fine with that, at least let it have an possibility of a two-man style game-play content, one-man style is fine, however, two-man sounds better. I didn't think of that very nice suggestion. :) Diogi ... and thank you, looks like my efforts to keep this thread alive are paying off at last, I know it's not the best or most attractive thread out but I'm glad I've endured until now just to hear suggestions like yours Diogi's and Kirol's.

I'll see about linking your post to a category in the op. and also thanks to these I'll add "Crosscut Saws" to "The Future Possible Tools/Unavailable Tools" post and category as well.

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1. You must be in a party (number of members doesn't matter, but the larger the mob, the more gathering possible, the more gatherers needed to get all 'carves' before mob disappears)

2. Ability that must be cast onto the mob to keep it from disappearing as soon as it's killed (Preserve?, Mummify?) or off hand equipment is bottles of Formaldehyde (Alchemist 40+?) and must attack using it for a chance to 'preserve' the carcass (level in relation to the mob would decide how long)

What do you think?

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I like it, I've been thinking if there were other ways and abilities that could work to Solidify a monster so it could be gather from with gathering, "Mummify" or "Preserve" (it's used in DoH already however it could be need to be adjusted a lot). Sounds good and it would be a much needed additions to the class abilities to. Then imply something like "Path of the Hunter" that then would invites more changes and more growth, so I hope the reps or devs see this or are thinking something similar should be done someday.

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Excellent!!

the whole party concept for gathering became questionable since it's been said gathering will be for Solo, *sigh if only something more was added I be more fine with that, at least let it have an possibility of a two-man style game-play content, one-man style is fine, however, two-man sounds better.

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You know, I thought this over last night. I haven't reached that point yet, but I have read that the LVL 18 quest "Fade to White" ends in you selecting a companion. I have also read that so far, this companion is just added to cutscenes? Not sure, but maybe that is where the Devs could throw your companion in! You go to a suitable tree and with your companions 'help' you saw the tree down. This requires a new animation that the Dev's could have fun with. Plus adds in the possiblility of Logging camps!

Again, all of this would be much more interesting as a group activity, but hey, we'll take what we can get, right?

Again, rank vs. grade of tree would determine gathers/time tree is still there to gather? Or...

A logging camp where there are NPCs who, for a fee, would assist you in cutting the tree down, or prehaps you must provide the saw and be the proper rank and the NPCs 'cut' the tree for you and you then just gather to your hearts content? I don't know.

DEVs: Just let us cut the dang trees down! Thats how lumberjacks do it! The whole tree. Down. Cut down. TEH HEH! K, I'll stop ranting!
@Dras6fin : Thanks for the quick replies! I am glad you still care.

Special Items; For Gathering Purposes & Activities.
details: a specific item is produced/made by a specific monster, then enters the environment, which in turn can be collected by Botanists/Dol.

1.) Spores: It is a small fuzzy ball that seems to be dance in the wind. Produced by Funguars and other creatures of the wood; only while gathering can it be seen by Botanist's and it's spores obtained can be gathered. Spore will take on many different colors and have different purposes for craftier to; greens spores, yellow spores, orange spores, purple spores (possibility depends on the funguars that release it). Spore can be seen from all across Eorzea, for trained botanist's this changing the way he/she Gathers; to see things from what others who don't gather wouldn't see.

Activity: "Follow The Spores!" (*example) "Sometime but not all the time a bunch are together, when you're character attempts to approaches A Strong Gust of Wind blows them all away! scattered in all directions. That is the starting sign the activity has begun "Follow the Spores!".