Apparently Limsa has two DoM guilds...

Based on a poll about jobs, they had narrowed the questions down to three possibilities:

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

As game designers, of course we are doing our best, but for example…

Of the below "classes" that will be implemented, which do you prefer?

Scout-type class (Thief, etc.)
Caster class (Ranged DD and Debuff)
Pet class (Pet user and Debuff)

I think it would be good to hear feedback on this type of stuff.
Of course, we need to keep battle balance in mind, so whether we can really implement 100% of what is in the survey is a separate problem. However, we would really like to hear feedback that we can use for our long term plans.

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Scout-type class (Thief, etc.)
Pet class (Summoner, etc.)
Caster class (Ranged DD and Debuff)... Musketeer for class, Gun Mage/Red Mage for Job??

It would make perfect sense for this to evolve into a Gun Mage based on this information. But I would not discount a debuff rich role such as Red Mage also capable of filling the Job role.

For those unfamiliar with the job, it has many properties of a Blue Mage, but with a ranged weapon.

With the only collectable "carbon" (major gunpowder component) in FFXIV originating from bomb ash, bullets could naturally have magical properties right out the gate.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...b_Gun_Mage.jpg

It also makes me curious what other people think on the matter.

I will continue to update the OP based on ideas evolving around this class concept.

I agree. Arcanist and Musketeer would neatly round out 3 classes per city and the guild is already there. How the latter would evolve into a job is the question. Archer to Bard is the other ranged class, and they specialist in buffing the party, right? That would leave debuffing or enfeebling monsters available for the job specification, right?

Well variety is the spice of life so perhaps over time... all of the above!

He says "Caster class" though so it doesn't necessarily lead to musketeer being a caster just based on it being a Ranged DD.
Would be interesting, but I thought he was more interested in Red/Blue Mage or Dark Knight first? They could all fit that description too.

Edit: The Musketeer > Gun (Blue) Mage seems feasible actually (forgot about gun-mage in x-2).
Could also potentially lead to a Corsair/Gambler type job that debuffs through rolls.

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Originally Posted by Hanzzo_Kai

He says "Caster class" though so it doesn't necessarily lead to musketeer being a caster just based on it being a Ranged DD.
Would be interesting, but I thought he was more interested in Red/Blue Mage or Dark Knight first? They could all fit that description too.

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Depends on your definition of ranged DD. Red mage isnt exactly a core damage dealer in XI, unless you stack 2 hour abilities, heh. Plus, that version was usually portrayed with a sword and shield, implying close combat, "jack of all trades, master of none"

As for XI Dark Knight, its skills usually of kept it up close in combat, in spite of its magic pool.

One of the biggest reasons I brought this up is the guild & lore presence- It would be much simpler to implement, to fill this niche role.

I'll just add this here too:

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The Musketeer > Gun (Blue) Mage seems feasible actually (forgot about gun-mage in x-2).
Could also potentially lead to a Corsair/Gambler type job that debuffs through rolls.

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The only problem with that is though, how would the magic side be explained? A straight melee class going into a mage/ranged hybrid is a bit of a stretch lore-wise - I really can't see how it could work.

Unless they used a silly idea like a 'magic bullet' idea enfused with aether or something.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The only problem with that is though, how would the magic side be explained? A straight melee class going into a mage/ranged hybrid is a bit of a stretch lore-wise - I really can't see how it could work.

Unless they used a silly idea like a 'magic bullet' idea enfused with aether or something.

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Bard is almost the same way. It seems like jobs have a lot of freedom lore-wise with Dragoons being from Ishgard, not Gridania area, and Archer being a pure melee to melee/mage hybrid of Bard. Could be that the Soul of the Gun Mage infuses your bullets with magic.

I'd love to see Gun Mage! If we don't get it, I'm going to hate you forever, Square-Enix!

Seems plausible to me, Yoshi P mentioned blue mage multiple times and i think it would clash less than corsair with their role as enforcers of the law in Limsa. If i'm remember the lore correctly, and assuming it hasn't been changed, been awhile.

I do wonder though, that could limit their spell list quite alot. At best i could imagine that completing each blue mage quest would unlock a slot for an additional blue magic spell to be set. So there could still be a large array of learnable spells, you just couldn't equip them all.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

Seems plausible to me, Yoshi P mentioned blue mage multiple times and i think it would clash less than corsair with their role as enforcers of the law in Limsa. If i'm remember the lore correctly, and assuming it hasn't been changed, been awhile.

I do wonder though, that could limit their spell list quite alot. At best i could imagine that completing each blue mage quest would unlock a slot for an additional blue magic spell to be set. So their could still be a large array of learnable spells, you just couldn't equip them all.

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Been reading up on Gun Mage from FFX-2 as I did not recall their Blue Bullets abilities. 16 abilities in all, which will probably closely correspond with the total number of abilities we'll get by level 50.

For those interested in following along: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Bullet

Each Blue Bullet ability needs to be learned from a certain monster type, which could easily be folded into a class quest. Every 5 levels, go to X and fight Y until you learn Z.

Blue Bullet abilities:

1. Fire Breath
2. Seed Cannon
3. Stone Breath
4. Absorb
5. White Wind
6. Bad Breath
7. Mighty Guard
8. Supernova
9. Cry in the Night
10. Drill Shot
11. Mortar
12. Annihilator
13. Heaven's Cataract
14. 1000 Needles
15. Storm Cannon
16. Blaster

Sorry to be out of the loop but where was it mentioned that there'd be two DoM guilds in Limsa?

Gun Mage would be awesome. I only tend to stick to magic classes and I was toying with the idea of whether I would use Musketeer or not if it was implemented. This would certainly push me over the edge!

Whatever job SE chooses for musketeer class, wouldn't Merlwyb be one?

Also, I kind of like the idea of a job that isn't in FFXI, as long as it plays well. Nothing wrong with adding FFXI jobs, tho.

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Originally Posted by Andreas-Lycaeus

Sorry to be out of the loop but where was it mentioned that there'd be two DoM guilds in Limsa?

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Yoshi-P mentioned that he'd like to see another DoM class, in addition to Arcanist. The quote that Duuude has, Yoshi-P asked which of the three choices people would like to see. One of the choices was Caster class (Ranged DD and Debuff) and since Limsa has a Musketeer guild, we're speculating that Gun Mage would be the job that would best fit the Ranged DD and Debuff role.

Oooh so it's not 100% confirmed yet? I do remember reading about the poll. If you have any quotes that'd be awesome! I don't doubt you but it'd be good for people like me who are a bit behind.

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Originally Posted by Andreas-Lycaeus

Oooh so it's not 100% confirmed yet? I do remember reading about the poll. If you have any quotes that'd be awesome! I don't doubt you but it'd be good for people like me who are a bit behind.

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Nothing is confirmed. Just lots of speculation on our part. Of any potential class, Musketeer is the only unimplemented one that has a guild in-game that's why I think it's the most obvious next class.

I really do hope they keep to the unofficial 3 DoW/DoM guilds per city rule. That way, any new class will means a brand new city and region to explore! Personally, I'd rather see Sharlayan than Ishgard but people have been craving to enter Ishgard since v1.0. And Ishgard does exist as a backdrop in the game, which is more than can be said for Sharlayan or Ala Mhigo.

There are a couple of pieces of concept art for cities that haven't been implemented yet, really excited to see what'll become of them!

Personally I'm after Ishgard, but that's my San d'Orian heritage coming through. I love the idea of the Archbishop and the Holy See, and a cathedral castle city sounds beautiful.

Anyway sorry to derail! Gun Mage would be a brilliant evolution of the Musketeer. A lot of people want Blue Mage too and it'd cover both bases. I'm personally in support of Bard being an Archer, but I have to agree I would like to see more instruments. Jobs can be combined well but you still have to live up to both fanbases!

The more the merrier I say.
Bring em all.

Gogo Musketeer > Chemist from tactics. Would be an interesting new healer since we really only have one viable option.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Depends on your definition of ranged DD. Red mage isnt exactly a core damage dealer in XI, unless you stack 2 hour abilities, heh. Plus, that version was usually portrayed with a sword and shield, implying close combat, "jack of all trades, master of none"

As for XI Dark Knight, its skills usually of kept it up close in combat, in spite of its magic pool.

One of the biggest reasons I brought this up is the guild & lore presence- It would be much simpler to implement, to fill this niche role.

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And jack of all tradesers are notoriously useless in MMORPGs. if someone else can do what you do better, everyone will go with that instead. only rarely does it usually come into play where you need the jack of trades class, specifically to get bits and pieces of a role that you couldn't otherwise fit into your party setup with X number of party members.

I've always thought RDM would be an interesting way of working with Musketeer. But modeling a BLU after ffx-2's Gun Mage is a brilliant idea!!! RDM needs to be up close and personal, less back-line anyway. BLU would be a caster but using a gun to shoot "bad breath" or "bomb toss" back at the mob. Yeah, after spending 50 billion hours killing marlboro and gobbies to learn the spell!!!! I've always though the way BLU's cast spells in XI was a little odd... My Mithra looked like she was having a convulsion. A BLU with a gun = smexy!!! do it SE!!!

I LOVE the idea of Musketeer having Gun/Blue Mage as their job. Blue bullet ftw! I always thought that was a fun way to play it in FFX2.