Why FFXIV saving before 1 NOV? Why OCT 31?

It seems they want to take ffxiv offline sooner then expected. Why was this decision made to cut our saves off sooner then expected?

uhm.. time zones?

1 nov JP = 31 oct NA

maintance start 31 october and end 1° november. It isn't sooner.

I think the bigger question is why are they taking our characters down in the first place - they're not even in alpha, and they plan on reviving the servers in a non saving state.

Seems like we could have played a few more months before even bothering to switch into beta.

Somehow, I think not being able to play those extra 6 hours before the final save/shutdown isn't going to kill you.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I think the bigger question is why are they taking our characters down in the first place - they're not even in alpha, and they plan on reviving the servers in a non saving state.

Seems like we could have played a few more months before even bothering to switch into beta.

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Because transfering the data takes some time, and we can't just update the character data whie they're transfering the data. Even if we are just in Alpha, they need to not only transfer everything, but make sure everything transfered will work as intended, all while working non stop on A Realm Reborn.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

Because transfering the data takes some time, and we can't just update the character data whie they're transfering the data. Even if we are just in Alpha, they need to not only transfer everything, but make sure everything transfered will work as intended, all while working non stop on A Realm Reborn.

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Indeed he said it would take about a month. As seeing that we are many months away from even thinking about an open beta, I dont see why we have to do it early.

I don't see the rush either. It is very likely we are not going to see a final release of 2.0 till next year now. Well that's my impression not necessarily what you might think or what others have said. I won't count on it till after feb anyways. That being said I don't see the need to rush a save and drop servers till we are at least starting beta stage.

I think (speculate, guess, make wild assumptions) that they want us converted before the beta so that we can test the stuff that has high level requirements during beta with our real characters but not make real progress. Otherwise, we only beta test as many levels as we can gain during the beta, yet SE knows that they need to support endgame on day one. Sorta leaves a vast gap in the testing if they don't let us in with our 50s for at least part of the beta. It'd be a hassle to only convert those legacy players chosen to play beta, so they probably want to convert all of us so they don't need to select beta testers before starting the conversion.

They did not say it would be a month for char transfer it could take a month or so for the transfer. Wish people would stop bending SE's words.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Indeed he said it would take about a month. As seeing that we are many months away from even thinking about an open beta, I dont see why we have to do it early.

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Can't disagree that it shouldn't take that long... However, better to get it done early than late, I guess. I've played F2P MMOs where, when transferring to another hosting service, a lot of stuff went overlooked and a lot of players were pissed (i.e. Cabal Online and Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE, to varying degrees). Just kinda promptly get it done and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Romikemi

I think (speculate, guess, make wild assumptions) that they want us converted before the beta so that we can test the stuff that has high level requirements during beta with our real characters but not make real progress. Otherwise, we only beta test as many levels as we can gain during the beta, yet SE knows that they need to support endgame on day one. Sorta leaves a vast gap in the testing if they don't let us in with our 50s for at least part of the beta. It'd be a hassle to only convert those legacy players chosen to play beta, so they probably want to convert all of us so they don't need to select beta testers before starting the conversion.

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While I dont have a quote on hand I am fairly certain we are not using our own characters right away in beta. If at all.

I think it was discussed but later trivialized. If they wanted us to test end game content however they could just give all our characters what they expected the fight to require and tell us to go at it and watch.

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

Can't disagree that it shouldn't take that long... However, better to get it done early than late, I guess. I've played F2P MMOs where, when transferring to another hosting service, a lot of stuff went overlooked and a lot of players were pissed (i.e. Cabal Online and Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE, to varying degrees). Just kinda promptly get it done and stuff.

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I think during alpha and perhaps early player base closed beta they should maintain the current server - and at the same time test their transfer capabilities so players make sure they didnt forget anything.

As it is now I'm screenshotting my inventory/quest/quest items before the servers go down just in case they cant transfer everything properly.

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Originally Posted by Firon

They did not say it would be a month for char transfer it could take a month or so for the transfer. Wish people would stop bending SE's words.

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Did you read my post? It said "about", I was being pessimistic but I left the famous SE vagueness in the meaning of the sentence.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I think during alpha and perhaps early player base closed beta they should maintain the current server - and at the same time test their transfer capabilities so players make sure they didnt forget anything.

As it is now I'm screenshotting my inventory/quest/quest items before the servers go down just in case they cant transfer everything properly.

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OH GOD I SHOULD GO DO THAT NOW. *hops off forums*

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

OH GOD I SHOULD GO DO THAT NOW. *hops off forums*

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And then save it in the cloud, just in case.

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Why FFXIV saving before 1 NOV? Why OCT 31?

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Because they hate you.

... I can only assume that's the answer you want to hear, anyway. In reality there are these things called timezones and they make it very difficult to say that something is happen on any given day for the entire world in perfect accuracy. It's going to be Oct 31 for some, Nov 1 for others.. but it's all generally the same time period so really what does it matter?

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Originally Posted by Shougun

As it is now I'm screenshotting my inventory/quest/quest items before the servers go down just in case they cant transfer everything properly.

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Screenshots that won't do anything. Its easy to photoshop images, so SE won't give a crap about you if it does happen.

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Originally Posted by Issachar

Screenshots that won't do anything. Its easy to photoshop images, so SE won't give a crap about you if it does happen.

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No, but saying hey look this item is gone what happened to it? So long as they didnt delete their 1.0 records I can ask them to look into it for myself and others. I wont memorize all my items - a screenshot will help me.

Otherwise I could be missing items and not even know it till I needed it.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Somehow, I think not being able to play those extra 6 hours before the final save/shutdown isn't going to kill you.

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It might. Some people out there thought it was smart to work on relics and save darnus for the last second.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

It might. Some people out there thought it was smart to work on relics and save darnus for the last second.

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I would sincerely hope that nobody dies due to missing out on 1.0 content.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I think the bigger question is why are they taking our characters down in the first place - they're not even in alpha, and they plan on reviving the servers in a non saving state.

Seems like we could have played a few more months before even bothering to switch into beta.

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What kind of stuff are you smoking? testing will be starting soon after the maintenance.

They explained a long time ago that it will take months to process all of the save data. That is why they have to do it now. The sooner they start, the sooner they finish and the sooner we can play ARR.

Quityerwhinin, for lack of a more appropriate term.

They said before even introducing it that the 7UE storyline would be a once in a lifetime, exclusive to current players experience. Once it's gone, it's gone, this was said WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY in advance, so nobody has any valid cause to complain.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I would sincerely hope that nobody dies due to missing out on 1.0 content.

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I think a few people died inside due to playing 1.0 content!

Hurr durf durf who cares.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

What kind of stuff are you smoking? testing will be starting soon after the maintenance.

They explained a long time ago that it will take months to process all of the save data. That is why they have to do it now. The sooner they start, the sooner they finish and the sooner we can play ARR.

Quityerwhinin, for lack of a more appropriate term.

They said before even introducing it that the 7UE storyline would be a once in a lifetime, exclusive to current players experience. Once it's gone, it's gone, this was said WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY in advance, so nobody has any valid cause to complain.

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No no no and no.

Alpha was meant to start already - it hasnt. Even if Beta was going on right now it is done when it is done.

It will take ~ 1 month to transfer all data, they could even script the servers after the first update to modify the files after you logoff (may slow the servers down a little but speaking that population is so slow Id wager they have the power to do it now). To keep both files up to date.

The only way it makes sense for them to close servers now is if they dont have the server power to run a minor alpha server and the major player servers (which they could temporarily merge). Or if they are way ahead of schedule (which it appears they are behind schedule).

No one can join the game now, stop your bitching of snowflake crap that will surely be on the internet anyways - everyone will get to see it.

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Originally Posted by Romikemi

I think (speculate, guess, make wild assumptions) that they want us converted before the beta so that we can test the stuff that has high level requirements during beta with our real characters but not make real progress. Otherwise, we only beta test as many levels as we can gain during the beta, yet SE knows that they need to support endgame on day one. Sorta leaves a vast gap in the testing if they don't let us in with our 50s for at least part of the beta. It'd be a hassle to only convert those legacy players chosen to play beta, so they probably want to convert all of us so they don't need to select beta testers before starting the conversion.

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I like what you have said so far. If true it seems to best answer to my question. I hope you are right.

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No no no and no.

Alpha was meant to start already - it hasnt. Even if Beta was going on right now it is done when it is done.

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No No No. Alpha was not meant to start already. It was meant to start "Around the end of October." There are still 8 more days in October, and even if they're a few days late, it's "close enough" for me.

Crap doesn't always go as planned, but that doesn't mean they can't start processing the save data. The people organzing the beta test and the people processing the save data are most likely not the same people.

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It will take ~ 1 month to transfer all data, they could even script the servers after the first update to modify the files after you logoff. To keep both files up to date.

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No, it will take months plural. More accurately, they said it would take "over a month".

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The only way it makes sense for them to close servers now is if they dont have the server power to run a minor alpha server and the major player servers (which they could temporarily merge). Or if they are way ahead of schedule (which it appears they are behind schedule).

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You'll still be able to play 1.0 for a while longer if you love it so much. But it won't "count' towards ARR. Frankly, the sooner they close the servers the better- the sooner we can forget 1.0 and move on to something better. You had PLENNNNTY of time to accomplish goals. You have no valid complaint.

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No one can join the game now, stop your bitching of snowflake crap that will surely be on the internet anyways - everyone will get to see it.

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Right, no one can join the game now. But what's this about snowflakes? I have no idea. The rest of your post makes no sense.

As far as I can tell you're just looking for every excuse you can to rage at SE for something. Unless you work at SE and you're in their offices, you don't know exactly what's going on there. They obviously have reasons for the current timetable, and it is highly unlikely that one of those reasons is "HAHA, which of these suckers can we screw over today!?"

Regardless of whether you THINK they need to do the save maintenance now, you knew well in advance that it was happening.

I hear SE actively hunts down players and figures out ways to spite them.


These are rumors of course.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No No No. Alpha was not meant to start already. It was meant to start "Around the end of October." There are still 8 more days in October, and even if they're a few days late, it's "close enough" for me.

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Maybe my miss information - but I "Thought" alpha was meant to be starting now. Going mostly of this and a post I heard at least a few months ago. http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Roadmap_EN.pdf

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Crap doesn't always go as planned, but that doesn't mean they can't start processing the save data. The people organzing the beta test and the people processing the save data are most likely not the same people.

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Definitely - but they should be transferring data already and updating pieces over time instead of just trashing the whole server. Having a complete down time isn't good for them as it gives us time to play other games.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, it will take months plural. More accurately, they said it would take "over a month".

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Yep, ~ a month. (Around a month, about a month). That means there is a +/- of time. If it takes 3 months then it isnt, if it takes 1.5 months then it is.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You'll still be able to play 1.0 for a while longer if you love it so much. But it won't "count' towards ARR. Frankly, the sooner they close the servers the better- the sooner we can forget 1.0 and move on to something better. You had PLENNNNTY of time to accomplish goals. You have no valid complaint.

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I would like to continue playing your bullshit "you have no valid complaint" is annoying. I have whatever I want to be valid as they are my feelings. I want to continue playing at least till beta starts.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Right, no one can join the game now. But what's this about snowflakes? I have no idea. The rest of your post makes no sense.

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Your silly speeches about "plenty of time" and "once in a lifetime opportunity" is reminiscent of snow flake speeches.
I wanna be, very special, like no one ever can be....

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

As far as I can tell you're just looking for every excuse you can to rage at SE for something. Unless you work at SE and you're in their offices, you don't know exactly what's going on there. They obviously have reasons for the current timetable, and it is highly unlikely that one of those reasons is "HAHA, which of these suckers can we screw over today!?"

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As far as I can tell you just go around the forums saying no. "SE obviously has a plan" I lol'd.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Regardless of whether you THINK they need to do the save maintenance now, you knew well in advance that it was happening.

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Definitely - Still doesn't mean I cant "THINK" that its stupid they are cutting it short.

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Originally Posted by Firon

They did not say it would be a month for char transfer it could take a month or so for the transfer. Wish people would stop bending SE's words.

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Not that SE keeps their own word.

People will always find a way to whine

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Maybe my miss information - but I "Thought" alpha was meant to be starting now. Going mostly of this and a post I heard at least a few months ago. http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Roadmap_EN.pdf

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They fell behind schedule from the roadmap a long time ago. The roadmap does NOT give any exact dates and its only a guide to what they are doing as time goes on. It's not some kind of binding contract. We knew months ago, however, at least vaguely when the game was shutting down and when 2.0 was coming. None of these dates were set to spite or upset you. They gave gave a plenty reasonable amount of advance notice. If they just said TODAY that the servers were shutting down next week, I would be upset. But they didnt.

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As far as I can tell you just go around the forums saying no. "SE obviously has a plan" I lol'd.

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You can't tell things very well then, because this is flat out not true. I give my honest opinions on subjects. Sometimes I disagree, yes, but sometimes I do agree- And most of the time, in the latter case, I show my support with a "Like" rather than a long drawn out explanation of why I support it. Some things don't need an explanation.

Look all over the forum, almost everyone tends to say "no" more than "yes." that doesn't mean they are the "no police" or that they came here just to shoot people down. I am neither of those things. For the most part, most of the people I'm saying "no" to are people that are whining and complaining- So in all actuality, I'm "Yes" to something positive whenever I'm saying "no" to whining and complaining. "No" isn't always an undesireable response, either. Should SE include large piles of excriment on the streets of the three nations? Yes or no? Would you say yes to that?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post863131
A "yes" thread.

I'm completely sick of being accused of being a naysayer. I did NOT come here just to say no to everything for the sake of saying no.

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Your silly speeches about "plenty of time" and "once in a lifetime opportunity" is reminiscent of snow flake speeches.
I wanna be, very special, like no one ever can be....

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I don't know where you get these delusions, but I sure didn't make those statements to feel "special."

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Definitely - but they should be transferring data already and updating pieces over time instead of just trashing the whole server. Having a complete down time isn't good for them as it gives us time to play other games.

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They aren't just "trashing the servers" and having complete downtime. The servers will come back up, and people who need something to do will still be able to play while the testing is going on. SE said that after the 11th, the servers will come back up and will stay on during the test period as long as there is sufficient interest.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They fell behind schedule from the roadmap a long time ago. The roadmap does NOT give any exact dates and its only a guide to what they are doing as time goes on. It's not some kind of binding contract. We knew months ago, however, at least vaguely when the game was shutting down and when 2.0 was coming. None of these dates were set to spite or upset you. They gave gave a plenty reasonable amount of advance notice. If they just said TODAY that the servers were shutting down next week, I would be upset. But they didnt.

You can't tell things very well then, because this is flat out not true. I give my honest opinions on subjects. Sometimes I disagree, yes, but sometimes I do agree- And most of the time, in the latter case, I show my support with a "Like" rather than a long drawn out explanation of why I support it. Some things don't need an explanation.

Look all over the forum, almost everyone tends to say "no" more than "yes." that doesn't mean they are the "no police" or that they came here just to shoot people down. I am neither of those things. For the most part, most of the people I'm saying "no" to are people that are whining and complaining- So in all actuality, I'm "Yes" to something positive whenever I'm saying "no" to whining and complaining. "No" isn't always an undesireable response, either. Should SE include large piles of excriment on the streets of the three nations? Yes or no? Would you say yes to that?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post863131
A "yes" thread.

I'm completely sick of being accused of being a naysayer. I did NOT come here just to say no to everything for the sake of saying no.

I don't know where you get these delusions, but I sure didn't make those statements to feel "special."

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Seeing as the road map is the best layed out information to go by - Im going by that. They are behind schedule and should only be following schedule once caught up. Changes to the schedule are allowed (of course) but within the reason that they can actually maintain the logical structure to the rest of the schedule (and since we have no updates from them - I'm assuming no).

Delusions, no - You said that we had plenty of time and shouldn't be given any more because you want to cut things off. I'm still going to call you a snowflake for trying to stop things from other people (specially since it "appears" that they are no where near schedule - though they have been rather tight lip about such information.. which most likely isnt good).

Srsly, who cares guys

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I think the bigger question is why are they taking our characters down in the first place - they're not even in alpha, and they plan on reviving the servers in a non saving state.

Seems like we could have played a few more months before even bothering to switch into beta.

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SE pull away devs from FF XIV 1.0 to work full force on FF XIV 2.0
Things can go wrong on 1.0 after this and there wouldn't be someone with enough free time for a fix.

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Originally Posted by Felis

SE pull away devs from FF XIV 1.0 to work full force on FF XIV 2.0
Things can go wrong on 1.0 after this and there wouldn't be someone with enough free time for a fix.

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Besides the seasonal events I dont think anything needs a "devs" attention - but perhaps the devs are the ones that maintain servers in their off time (money crunch?). Could be the exact reason why.

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Seeing as the road map is the best layed out information to go by - Im going by that.

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The road map was made over a year ago. Nobody can truly predict the future that far in advance, so you should not be expecting them to 100% adhere to it to the letter. Plans change, things get delayed, mistakes happen, crap happens. Deal with it.

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You said that we had plenty of time and shouldn't be given any more because you want to cut things off. I'm still going to call you a snowflake for trying to stop things from other people

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your insult still makes no logical sense. A "snowflake" is a child whom people take overly extrordinary measures to protect. I don't even see how you can liken that to this situation. I'm not protecting you or anyone from anything. I am however, telling you to suck it up, because you knew this was coming and you had plenty of time to prepare. That's not being a snowflake, that's just being real.

SE is not going back on anything. No precise dates of any kind were given in that roadmap- Thus your use of it as a reliable information source is misguided. The highest level of precision it had was "month-" And they honestly aren't that far off- I'm actually impressed they held to it as closely as they did.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The road map was made over a year ago. Nobody can truly predict the future that far in advance, so you should not be expecting them to 100% adhere to it to the letter. Plans change, things get delayed, mistakes happen, crap happens. Deal with it.

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Yes things get delayed, so why hasnt the server been delayed as well. The servers going down was to be alright as we would already be playing with the new client and begun our free trials of ARR.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

your insult still makes no logical sense. A "snowflake" is a child whom people take overly extrordinary measures to protect. I don't even see how you can liken that to this situation. I'm not protecting you or anyone from anything. I am however, telling you to suck it up, because you knew this was coming and you had plenty of time to prepare. That's not being a snowflake, that's just being real.

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I've never heard of this use of the word snowflake. The way I've heard and used it for means someone who wants to be special, specially so that they will go by means to make sure someone else cant have what they have.

*dear lord*

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Yes things get delayed, so why hasnt the server been delayed as well.

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It HAS been delayed- by just as much as everything else has been delayed. If they were perfectly on schedule, the final save would have happened a while ago and we'd already be in beta. The road map gave no date or even an approximate range of when there would be a "final save." In fact, we didn't even know for sure at the time if our data would be carrying over or not.

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I've never hard of this use of the word snowflake. The way I've heard and used it for means someone who wants to be special, specially so that they will go by means to make sure someone else cant have what they have.

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Then you haven't heard of the only colliqual use of the term i've ever seen in all my years.

"You must protect my precious snowflake from the dangers at the playground! Cover everything in bubble wrap. We must protect our little snowflakes!"

"snowflake" has long been a common term on the Internet for sarcastically referring to children whose parents are demanding extreme measures to protect them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

*dear lord*

It HAS been delayed- by just as much as everything else has been delayed. If they were perfectly on schedule, the final save would have happened a while ago and we'd already be in beta.

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Then dont shut down the game till beta is up or at least in sight.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Then you haven't heard of the only colliqual use of the term i've ever seen in all my years.

"You must protect my precious snowflake from the dangers at the playground! Cover everything in bubble wrap. We must protect our little snowflakes!"

"snowflake" has long been a common term on the Internet for sarcastically referring to children whose parents are demanding extreme measures to protect them.

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Good to know - I've never heard that one before.