Clarification on Relic Quest in 2.0 in regards to Speed Runs

Now, I saw the thread and the information regarding Speed Runs being gone in 2.0, and how Dungeons will be designed to purposely take alot longer, yet there's alot of other information that states the Relic Quest won't be changing and can't seem to find any information (that's official) saying that this also means the Speed Run requirement for the Mythril/Salt (AV/CC) portion of the quest will no longer require speed runs as well?

If there has been posted information and I cannot find it, I would appreciate if someone could link me. If not, could I get a community representative to answer on this if possible? Just clarification on whether or not Speed Runs are also out the window in terms of being a requirement for Relic (specifically for AV/CC) or if that's also one thing about the Relic Quest that won't be changing. Thank you.

Only word about Relic was:

"We'll monitor the rate in which Relics are being completed then go on from there" or something to that effect.

Seed runs are terrible. It is by far the worst thing SE did in the current state of this game with latency being the biggest problem for players. That goes for Ifrit Extreme too.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Seed runs are terrible. It is by far the worst thing SE did in the current state of this game with latency being the biggest problem for players. That goes for Ifrit Extreme too.

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I totally agree, which is why I was asking. It doesn't quite make sense to have Speed Runs in CC/AV if they're intending to make the instance longer? It'd be nice to know either way. I'm able to do them currently, with some effort of course, but like most I do not like the Speed Run concept as a requirement to accomplish things such as Relic. Hopefully they'll clarify this soon.

I just assumed anything Speed Run related would be transferred over to being a Hard Mode dungeon reward.

At the very least, with the new TP mechanics, animation lock going away, and position lag being fixed, every DD should be a viable choice for speed runs which was really my only issue with them.

This is why that I'm going to do my AF quests in ARR. All of my friends got everything completed, but with me being slow, my highest classes/jobs are at Lv35 now. I'm just going to try and lvl everything to Lv50 and then wait for ARR.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

This is why that I'm going to do my AF quests in ARR. All of my friends got everything completed, but with me being slow, my highest classes/jobs are at Lv35 now. I'm just going to try and lvl everything to Lv50 and then wait for ARR.

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AF has nothing to do with speed or even full raid runs.

Personally, I don't think speed runs are good for regular loot...but for something like the relic quest, which is basically showing you've got every aspect of the game down very well, I think speed runs are appropriate. Of course this is just based off the raids we have now, and I can't really speak for future ones.

Speed runs would be fine, if you wouldn't have that stupid delay in EU. They are possible but i don't want to change my strategy of a raid cause the latency just sucks...

The main reason why speed runs were implemented? Replacement refs.

speed runs suck this is a MMO, not a racing game. an instance should like its own little world. SE got one thing going in the right direction like how you have to go about getting all 5 chest at the boss, that kinda adds alittle puzzle element. now if they can only build on that.

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Originally Posted by indira

speed runs suck this is a MMO, not a racing game.

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what about being an MMO excludes it from having elements where efficiency is key? players in every MMO ever made find ways to be more and more efficient at whatever they're doing. and it's not like the entire endgame is built around speed runs. nobody is forcing you to get all 5 chests every time. you don't fail the run if you don't do it in under 17 or 25 minutes.

do you somehow feel entitled to all 5 chests every time? that the conditions of popping one or more chests should more closely cater to your preferences?

Lets see if my ban has been lifted:

Hey fusional, you have to get 17 for relics. 25 min for like a 10% chance so your statement in relation to this thread and its topic is bat shit stupid.

they also need COMMENT about how they are going sort the rate &/or way the seals drop in hamlet, 46 hours GAMEPLAY TIME @ grid & no seals to show for it, getting close to the same amout of play time @ uldah.
Not complaining just telling it how it is!

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Originally Posted by fusional

what about being an MMO excludes it from having elements where efficiency is key? players in every MMO ever made find ways to be more and more efficient at whatever they're doing. and it's not like the entire endgame is built around speed runs. nobody is forcing you to get all 5 chests every time. you don't fail the run if you don't do it in under 17 or 25 minutes.

do you somehow feel entitled to all 5 chests every time? that the conditions of popping one or more chests should more closely cater to your preferences?

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You do realize you need to speed run CC/AV to even get a chance at the good shit, right? We're not talking about the relic speed runs, we're talking about regular speed runs that are damn near required if you want to see darklight.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Only word about Relic was:

"We'll monitor the rate in which Relics are being completed then go on from there" or something to that effect.

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Erm, Relic are = Atomos is, and you have SE's last update /sarchasm

Speed runs suck not only here but in RPGs in general.

I hope the rebuilt battle system will allow for more strategy and diversity in battles so that they can reward smart playing instead of speedruns.

It also kills exploration and affects dungeon designs in a way that makes them less locations and more shallow mob tunnels.

I can do Toto-Rak speed run every time.

Yeh fusional. This thread is about relic speed runs. Please read it before posting uninformed posts

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I can do Toto-Rak speed run every time.

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Can you do it with a random PUG? Because thats what some people have to do because they dont have a static.

I forget where I saw the post, but I swear I read a dev post that said speed runs will be for achievements only.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I forget where I saw the post, but I swear I read a dev post that said speed runs will be for achievements only.

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Yeh, Im pretty sure they said that speed runs are being taken out, and if you do do them, then its not for any rewards but maybe an achievement.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

We're not talking about the relic speed runs, we're talking about regular speed runs that are damn near required if you want to see darklight.

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Originally Posted by Renen

Yeh fusional. This thread is about relic speed runs. Please read it before posting uninformed posts

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....I am so confused by this topic.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You do realize you need to speed run CC/AV to even get a chance at the good shit, right? We're not talking about the relic speed runs, we're talking about regular speed runs that are damn near required if you want to see darklight.

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My understanding is that DL won't be rewarded for speed runs only any more, because of the post I mentioned above. Speed runs are being changed so that they award achievements only.

I'm also under the impression that the current dungeons will be changing, in that they will be larger. My guess is that we may have multiple paths per dungeon that can't all be completed in a single run. If this is the case, then most likely DL gear will be split up in chests reached in these new parts of the dungeons.

I'd really like to see a dev response to this though, but I have my doubts we'll get that kind of detail before 2.0 actually hits.

Only the bodies are from speed runs, you can get the other pieces from normal runs. Not that I support speed runs at all, just clearing that up since someone posted to the contrary..

I'm currently on the AV leg of the relic quest so I would be very interested in an answer for this as well. I hope they just abolish speed runs altogether because it's a terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

....I am so confused by this topic.

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The other point someone brought up that Yoshida said was regarding regular speed runs, he didn't even mention the speed runs regarding the relic quest.

personally, i hope they take out speed runs as needed for regular drops(including darklight), but leave it in place as needed for the parts for the relic quest. the darklight items have such a low drop rate it wouldn't change much of getting the dungeon completed to be able to get the chance at the darklight bodies. now on the relic quest you only need to do the 17 min run for that single drop that's an additional piece and doesn't have the super drop rate. i can understand that and believe it should stay.

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RPG Site: Will speed runs be kept for version 2.0? It seems a lot of people on the forums are not in favor of that type of content, especially when having to go back to content you already played through before.
Yoshida: Speed runs will remain in the game (for achievement purposes), however, they will no longer be necessary to obtain equipment upgrades. Expect the reward system for these runs to change greatly.

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Taken from here: http://www.rpgsite.net/interviews/39...oper-interview

It would only make sense since he said for achievement purpose only that it will no longer be a required part for the AF weapons. Not saying its true, just by the way its worded it seems like it won't be, no? He did not say "For achievement AND relic quest only" sooo..idk >.>

Personally if it is still a major part of the game I won't play anymore...I do not enjoy MMO where everything is "let me rush this as fast as possible so I can go stand in town and do nothing and be bored" heh xD

I think dungeon achieves are set to be removed at ARR launch because they will be changing greatly. They probably wont even look the same. Like.... be actual dungeons with different areas to explore instead of long curvy tunnels (like the current black shroud).

The main reason for the dungeon timer to begin with was because the server is just crappy and cant get that many people in at once, so they put time limits on them.

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Originally Posted by indira

speed runs suck this is a MMO, not a racing game. an instance should like its own little world. SE got one thing going in the right direction like how you have to go about getting all 5 chest at the boss, that kinda adds alittle puzzle element. now if they can only build on that.

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MMO's are a racing game, who ever gets a full set of new gear wins. :p

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Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru

AF has nothing to do with speed or even full raid runs.

Personally, I don't think speed runs are good for regular loot...but for something like the relic quest, which is basically showing you've got every aspect of the game down very well, I think speed runs are appropriate. Of course this is just based off the raids we have now, and I can't really speak for future ones.

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Oh, but I thought speed-runs were like AV, DD, CC? That's what I meant. Any of the AF quests that involve those zones I'm holding out on until later.

EDIT: The only speed-run I think I've done was for a GC quest. I have not gotten towards the end-game because I'm taking my time playing the game and I'm trying to save/obtain gil.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

Oh, but I thought speed-runs were like AV, DD, CC? That's what I meant. Any of the AF quests that involve those zones I'm holding out on until later.

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You don't need to complete the raids for the AF quest. You just go in, find the box and you're good. None of them require a win, much less a speed run win.

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Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru

You don't need to complete the raids for the AF quest. You just go in, find the box and you're good. None of them require a win, much less a speed run win.

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Oh, I see. Thanks, now I'm not concerned anymore lol I just thought that those zones, AV/DD/CC were all speed-runs and that you only had a certain amount of time to get the AF gear. I wasn't sure.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

Oh, I see. Thanks, now I'm not concerned anymore lol I just thought that those zones, AV/DD/CC were all speed-runs and that you only had a certain amount of time to get the AF gear. I wasn't sure.

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well in a way you do have only a certain amount of time to get to the chest, but in av and cc it only takes around 2-3 min to get to the chest when you have an hour to get there. in dh it does take beating the first boss and getting just beyond him, but none of them require you to get a speed run for the af. they don't even require a full clear for it.

the only requirements for the speed runs are for the relic quest and for the darklight bodies. everything else either requires just a win or doing something additional inside the dungeon(killing marshal after the princess).

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

well in a way you do have only a certain amount of time to get to the chest, but in av and cc it only takes around 2-3 min to get to the chest when you have an hour to get there. in dh it does take beating the first boss and getting just beyond him, but none of them require you to get a speed run for the af. they don't even require a full clear for it.

the only requirements for the speed runs are for the relic quest and for the darklight bodies. everything else either requires just a win or doing something additional inside the dungeon(killing marshal after the princess).

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Thank you for clarifying. I really wasn't sure, so I was holding out on getting AF until ARR, because right now all of my LS friends are playing GW2 and no one can help me with the Lv35 quests :(