Normal editor tools. When?

How many years do we need to wait while SE will finally deign implement three very basic things, a life/time savers:
1. 3D axis vector (like in 3D editors) for a normal spatial manipulation
2. Freedom to place objects wherever we want
3. A checkbox to the objects, if we don't want it to be snapped to the floor or walls.

I could be wrong, but I haven't heard anything like this in future updates.

UPD1: After 7.5 we would get increased furniture capacity, more work to do sooo..it will be nice to get one or few of noted features? Im sure it not that hard to implement it ingame.
UPD2: Square Enix confirmed during the Final Fantasy XIV Live Letter 91 (and echoed in the 92nd Letter) covering Patch 7.5 that they are looking into enhancing the housing interface to include more advanced, granular, and "unsanctioned" techniques.

"Were looking into it"

I'ma stick with the ways of old. It really forces you to think outside the box and get creative. It burns me out. But the results feel....Perfect. Like a journey up a hiking trail, and when you get to the top, you get to look down at your creation and soak it all in. All the obstacles, all the little moments where you stop and see the space taking shape, all the little detours you have to take because the easiest route to take is blocked off. And the end result is never how I imagined it in my head, but its perfect as it is, because I made it perfectly. Its a puzzle in a journey and at the end of it you get to bask in its completion. Congrats, you completed the journey!

I get why people want it. But once you start digging into it. You dig into it. Ive shown friends how to try to use the system by not looking at its limitations but what creativity is shaped by the spaced they are confined in. Their design take a massive quality jump, and nothing changed but their mindset. An how they approach the system.

But once they add in this, its less of a journey and a walk to the corner store and back. Yes changing out items on the fly is easier. But that timesink investment is now gone, there's nothing to figure out. Once you're done in an hour, what's left?

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"Were looking into it"

I'ma stick with the ways of old. It really forces you to think outside the box and get creative. It burns me out. But the results feel....Perfect. Like a journey up a hiking trail, and when you get to the top, you get to look down at your creation and soak it all in. All the obstacles, all the little moments where you stop and see the space taking shape, all the little detours you have to take because the easiest route to take is blocked off. And the end result is never how I imagined it in my head, but its perfect as it is, because I made it perfectly. Its a puzzle in a journey and at the end of it you get to bask in its completion. Congrats, you completed the journey!

I get why people want it. But once you start digging into it. You dig into it. Ive shown friends how to try to use the system by not looking at its limitations but what creativity is shaped by the spaced they are confined in. Their design take a massive quality jump, and nothing changed but their mindset. An how they approach the system.

But once they add in this, its less of a journey and a walk to the corner store and back. Yes changing out items on the fly is easier. But that timesink investment is now gone, there's nothing to figure out. Once you're done in an hour, what's left?

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Nicely put.

They did mention the possibility of adding XYZ placement in the first 7.5 live letter.

This is a bittersweet announcement for me. The first time I successfulllly floated a floor furninshing on PS5 I said "Sheesh that sucked, why is this necessary???". Then I proceeded to do a few more... Then I woke up the next morning proud of my accomplishment and feeling like I had built something.

50 rooms later and I get a (masochistic?) enjoyment out of the system the way it is now and have never used 3rd party tools because of that.

However, objectively I do think the housing designer needs this upgrade objectively. And even though I will miss my creative workarounds to old rules and the sense of accomplishment from manual floating, ultimately I think the change will open up new possibilities and I will be happy with the time savings.

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However, objectively I do think the housing designer needs this upgrade objectively. And even though I will miss my creative workarounds to old rules and the sense of accomplishment from manual floating, ultimately I think the change will open up new possibilities and I will be happy with the time savings.

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Yeah I can do the float trick, and it probably took me longer than most to figure it out, but it’s time-consuming and often frustrating, so I end up using it sparingly in my builds. At this point, I’d like to just be able to put things where I want them the first time. lol

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Yeah I can do the float trick, and it probably took me longer than most to figure it out, but it’s time-consuming and often frustrating, so I end up using it sparingly in my builds. At this point, I’d like to just be able to put things where I want them the first time. lol

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Yep, I totally get it :). Which is why I would never oppose a simpler system being added. Even though I've done a ton of houses, sometimes with hundreds of floats, I often need long breaks because the frustration wears on me.

A more modern placement system I think would just leave more time for creativity, even if I would miss that sense of both designing and building something.

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Yeah I can do the float trick, and it probably took me longer than most to figure it out, but it’s time-consuming and often frustrating, so I end up using it sparingly in my builds. At this point, I’d like to just be able to put things where I want them the first time. lol

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That kinda the idea of the feelings I've felt since MoP but I couldn't point to where WoW stopped feeling like WoW. It was the slow filing down of systems. Everything was filed down so much it all lost its flavor in the name of accessibility.

Its the friction that gives the game flavor.

You room didn't use vertical space, but it never needed to It was rock solid even as a single floor, but if you wanted to get into housing advanced. It was a meta-game you had to learn. Indirectly creating depth to the system. When it takes far less time to lock in a design, they spend far less time in the housing space, for most of the players.

You taking longer and spending more time in the Ward Housing, its doing its job exactly as the system designed to kill your time is supposed to.

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"Were looking into it"

I'ma stick with the ways of old. It really forces you to think outside the box and get creative. It burns me out. But the results feel....Perfect. Like a journey up a hiking trail, and when you get to the top, you get to look down at your creation and soak it all in. All the obstacles, all the little moments where you stop and see the space taking shape, all the little detours you have to take because the easiest route to take is blocked off. And the end result is never how I imagined it in my head, but its perfect as it is, because I made it perfectly. Its a puzzle in a journey and at the end of it you get to bask in its completion. Congrats, you completed the journey!

I get why people want it. But once you start digging into it. You dig into it. Ive shown friends how to try to use the system by not looking at its limitations but what creativity is shaped by the spaced they are confined in. Their design take a massive quality jump, and nothing changed but their mindset. An how they approach the system.
But once they add in this, its less of a journey and a walk to the corner store and back. Yes changing out items on the fly is easier. But that timesink investment is now gone, there's nothing to figure out. Once you're done in an hour, what's left?

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I think im understand this point, but also, i would like to note. Housing - is a creative process, not battlefield. My main goal is to make things better, cozy and beautifull, not to complite challange and kill the time. Especially due the fact, that im building not only for myself, but also for friends and for FC. Im have a work, and i had to take a vaсation close to 7.5 update, to make all changes i planned in our FC house, and i really will be gratefull for a simple tools wich are exist in many other games many many years.
Pls undestrand, its the matter of a quality of life for me.

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I think im understand this point, but also, i would like to note. Housing - is a creative process, not battlefield. My main goal is to make things better, cozy and beautifull, not to complite challange and kill the time. Especially due the fact, that im building not only for myself, but also for friends and for FC. Im have a work, and i had to take a vaсation close to 7.5 update, to make all changes i planned in our FC house, and i really will be gratefull for a simple tools wich are exist in many other games many many years.

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You arnt wrong in asking for it. But you lose something in that, something that the game forces onto you if you want to master the system. Creativity.

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You arnt wrong in asking for it. But you lose something in that, something that the game forces onto you if you want to master the system. Creativity.

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There is many ways can brings you to creative, i do believe its not a single road. Human progress has given you a modern tools so that you can reach new height. I don't want to use fingers to paint a picture - when there are brushes.
Aslo, creating of a new tools are a part of creative process, isn't it? Other jobs received multiple upgrades, while my job, a builder, was forgotten for many years.

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There is many ways can brings you to creative, i do believe its not a single road. Human progress has given you a modern tools so that you can reach new height. I don't want to use fingers to paint a picture - when there are brushes.
Aslo, creating of a new tools are a part of creative process, isn't it? Other jobs received multiple upgrades, while my job, a builder, was forgotten for many years.

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This is ultimately why I will be happy if they do add a better builder. Even though I will miss the old days of impressive custom manual builds, my overall evaluation won't be made in that vacuum. I will use the saved time to potentially create more rooms or work with additonal home designer apps outside of FFXIV.

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Its the friction that gives the game flavor.

You room didn't use vertical space, but it never needed to It was rock solid even as a single floor, but if you wanted to get into housing advanced. It was a meta-game you had to learn. Indirectly creating depth to the system. When it takes far less time to lock in a design, they spend far less time in the housing space, for most of the players.

You taking longer and spending more time in the Ward Housing, its doing its job exactly as the system designed to kill your time is supposed to.

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You arnt wrong in asking for it. But you lose something in that, something that the game forces onto you if you want to master the system. Creativity.

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Floating a partition using a glitch and floating it using a Y-axis tool are equal in creativity. Neither required you to create anything, the only difference is one is incredibly tedious and wastes hours of your time. Adding free item movement for housing would only make people more creative since more people would be able to realize their creative vision without jumping through arbitrary hoops. Your point about friction makes sense when it comes to things like boss battles or job design, but it makes zero sense concerning floating furnishings.

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Floating a partition using a glitch and floating it using a Y-axis tool are equal in creativity. Neither required you to create anything, the only difference is one is incredibly tedious and wastes hours of your time. Adding free item movement for housing would only make people more creative since more people would be able to realize their creative vision without jumping through arbitrary hoops. Your point about friction makes sense when it comes to things like boss battles or job design, but it makes zero sense concerning floating furnishings.

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Actually , would make you less creative since you're taking out some of the thought process. It's basically like giving you a calculator. There's no reason to learn how to do math in your head.When you can offload it to something that does it automatically..

If I were to ask you to make a plot without the housing z axis and one with the z axis. Your designs would be entirely different. The limitations through the system would force you to adapt and try to find an alternate route around.And in doing so , you create emergent designs. That difficulty is make you spend time on a design and think about it.

The friction does give it character as well.Because when I look at a plot , I can see what work went into it. But with the z axis that effort bar is removed. I\nLike seeing the levels of flavor and investment in willingness to learn the system to really make the most of it.

Like I said, I'm fine with them, adding it in the make it more accessible, but you do lose something in it.And to say that , you don't is untrue. It's like automating , a job that you're used to normally doing with your hands. It becomes a lost skill using the ability to think outside the box

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Actually , would make you less creative since you're taking out some of the thought process. It's basically like giving you a calculator. There's no reason to learn how to do math in your head.When you can offload it to something that does it automatically..

If I were to ask you to make a plot without the housing z axis and one with the z axis. Your designs would be entirely different. The limitations through the system would force you to adapt and try to find an alternate route around.And in doing so , you create emergent designs. That difficulty is make you spend time on a design and think about it.

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Building with or without the Z-axis would result in entirely different designs because it's an entirely different set of circumstances which by their nature lock you out of certain end results.

Slowly floating something using a glitch over a long period of time and floating it immediately with a tool that lets you do so in seconds results in exactly the same thing. The only difference is one is a giant pain in the ass.

There is no "emergent design" between doing Thing A and doing Thing B, where Thing B is just Thing A but it takes an order of magnitude longer. You're not "finding an alternate route," you're starting and ending at exactly the same place but one option is a quick stroll and the other is dragging yourself over broken glass.

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The friction does give it character as well.Because when I look at a plot , I can see what work went into it. But with the z axis that effort bar is removed. I\nLike seeing the levels of flavor and investment in willingness to learn the system to really make the most of it.

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It makes no difference visually whether you floated something with a glitch or with a tool because the end result is the same. If you're implying you can open your third eye and sense the aura of anguish someone put into a floating an item I would have to doubt you on that one.

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Like I said, I'm fine with them, adding it in the make it more accessible, but you do lose something in it.And to say that , you don't is untrue. It's like automating , a job that you're used to normally doing with your hands. It becomes a lost skill using the ability to think outside the box

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Your argument is basically "everyone should have to hand crank their car to start it like a Model T because using a key is too easy." I'm all for a healthy amount of friction in games but there's a difference between that and just demanding things be mind-numbing and laborious for its own sake.

I agree that floating floor furnishings manually doesn't garner more creativity. But it does give me a satisfaction in feeling like I built something in the end. I will always look at my first large build with some pride because covering those fugly steps manually and seamlessly was a huge pain!

However, I have had that sense of satisfaction for a long time and am happy to move beyond it to get more rooms created in less time. I think being able to do that offers even more of a creative outlet because I will be able to finish more entirely different designs than I could before.

I do think creativity comes in with some of the other limitations though. There are design elements I discovered accidentally just because of snapping limitations and floor item boundary restrictions. The end result may not be what I originally intended but I like it better and wouldn't have discovered the better workaround without the limitations. Still, I don't think I would mind those rules being removed either!

What I find aggravating is the apparent order they are releasing housing updates in:

Item increase (redo rooms)
Interior size increase (redo some houses... again)
XYZ placement (when everything has already been redone manually, sometimes twice!)

ugh. Ideally this order would be reversed. Oh well, lots of time to re-re-decorate. I hate to wait until step 2 is even done because we have no idea when that will happen, let alone free placement. It's been 3 years since they announced the item increase?

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Building with or without the Z-axis would result in entirely different designs because it's an entirely different set of circumstances which by their nature lock you out of certain end results.

Slowly floating something using a glitch over a long period of time and floating it immediately with a tool that lets you do so in seconds results in exactly the same thing. The only difference is one is a giant pain in the ass.

There is no "emergent design" between doing Thing A and doing Thing B, where Thing B is just Thing A but it takes an order of magnitude longer. You're not "finding an alternate route," you're starting and ending at exactly the same place but one option is a quick stroll and the other is dragging yourself over broken glass.




It makes no difference visually whether you floated something with a glitch or with a tool because the end result is the same. If you're implying you can open your third eye and sense the aura of anguish someone put into a floating an item I would have to doubt you on that one.




Your argument is basically "everyone should have to hand crank their car to start it like a Model T because using a key is too easy." I'm all for a healthy amount of friction in games but there's a difference between that and just demanding things be mind-numbing and laborious for its own sake.

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Ironically , enough for fort T model users had a much better understanding of the mechanics of their cars then we do modern day cars because of thr computer automation. There is no need to learn a system that's automated. Before automation , you needed to know the function. And why it functions that way.

And yes, you do open a 3rd eye. Understand you can Z axis and lift it up, and I can glitch it up, but its convergent design. As Im setting it all up for a lift, the limitations,the unexpected design changes, the willingness to invest the time, and the effort you are willing to put in all affect the end result. The loft gets put up. But I'm far less exposed to alternate routes since no alternate route is presented. Since the path of A to B is clear with no puzzle to solve and no emergent designs I could come up with because the opportunity never presents itself.

We are into housing for 2 different aspects. Through its limitations, it breeds creativity. Through creativity, I create. No limits.

And you want to decorate for your FC.

And Yes, the "anguish" as you call it. I call it soul, and effort. Is reflected because I loft things up myself and I know what the effort took for them to get up. Against those who don't know how to manipulate the system, and those who can manipulate it but don't have the care to lofting anything more then small items. You can see the love, care and time input by the output when you know the time and effort it takes to create it.

We are just on 2 different wavelengths. You arnt wrong, nor am I. Im just the old cat yelling at clouds, pretty much saying the glitching gave you grit and a creativity ya cant get from streamlining the proccess. Yes its easier now, and that's not bad. But something is lost in that.

Bob Ross famously said, "We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents". This phrase embodies his philosophy on painting and life, encouraging viewers to embrace unexpected errors as opportunities for creativity rather than reasons for frustration. It taught millions to overcome the fear of failure on canvas

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Adding free item movement for housing would only make people more creative since more people would be able to realize their creative vision without jumping through arbitrary hoops.

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Im agree and see here a main point, that it can involve more people in housing, if builder instruments will be simple and effective. Many of my friends and acquaintances gave up halfway through, even though they tried. I see no reason to blame them for laziness; this isn't hardcore content; it's something that should be simple and understandable. "Housing" feature should be enjoyable for all, not only for minority of especially stubborn people.

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What I find aggravating is the apparent order they are releasing housing updates in:

Item increase (redo rooms)
Interior size increase (redo some houses... again)
XYZ placement (when everything has already been redone manually, sometimes twice!)

ugh. Ideally this order would be reversed. Oh well, lots of time to re-re-decorate. I hate to wait until step 2 is even done because we have no idea when that will happen, let alone free placement.

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The order is half of the problem...,

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It's been 3 years since they announced the item increase?

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the fact how rusty the mechanism is makes me especially sad

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Im agree and see here a main point, that it can involve more people in housing, if builder instruments will be simple and effective. Many of my friends and acquaintances gave up halfway through, even though they tried. I see no reason to blame them for laziness; this isn't hardcore content; it's something that should be simple and understandable. "Housing" feature should be enjoyable for all, not only for minority of especially stubborn people.

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I believe the Artist makes the paintbrush

I don't buy that the paintbrush is what stops them

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I believe the Artist makes the paintbrush
I don't buy that the paintbrush is what stops them

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Creation as a process, shouldn't be the path of pain and sorrow. Hard times already made strong men, strong men brought us new brushes and the only question is to accept it or not. Your point of view sounds very ortodoxie for me, which is also a synonym of stagnation. New instruments = new possibilities, more involved artists = more new works. I want to see this future, and i dosn't see where is a problem.

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Ironically , enough for fort T model users had a much better understanding of the mechanics of their cars then we do modern day cars because of thr computer automation. There is no need to learn a system that's automated. Before automation , you needed to know the function. And why it functions that way.

And yes, you do open a 3rd eye. Understand you can Z axis and lift it up, and I can glitch it up, but its convergent design. As Im setting it all up for a lift, the limitations,the unexpected design changes, the willingness to invest the time, and the effort you are willing to put in all affect the end result. The loft gets put up. But I'm far less exposed to alternate routes since no alternate route is presented. Since the path of A to B is clear with no puzzle to solve and no emergent designs I could come up with because the opportunity never presents itself.

We are into housing for 2 different aspects. Through its limitations, it breeds creativity. Through creativity, I create. No limits.

And you want to decorate for your FC.

And Yes, the "anguish" as you call it. I call it soul, and effort. Is reflected because I loft things up myself and I know what the effort took for them to get up. Against those who don't know how to manipulate the system, and those who can manipulate it but don't have the care to lofting anything more then small items. You can see the love, care and time input by the output when you know the time and effort it takes to create it.

We are just on 2 different wavelengths. You arnt wrong, nor am I. Im just the old cat yelling at clouds, pretty much saying the glitching gave you grit and a creativity ya cant get from streamlining the proccess. Yes its easier now, and that's not bad. But something is lost in that.

Bob Ross famously said, "We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents". This phrase embodies his philosophy on painting and life, encouraging viewers to embrace unexpected errors as opportunities for creativity rather than reasons for frustration. It taught millions to overcome the fear of failure on canvas

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You are clearly not understanding a word of what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that. Take care.

In some ways the house decoration system in 2026 is more or less on par with children’s MMOs from 2012…

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You are clearly not understanding a word of what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that. Take care.

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This is their way. Square Enix released a very limited editor, and instead of wanting and asking for more, those ppl just went along with it. Moreover, they began to propagandize that only in such conditions creativity is born.
This is all sad, considering that the glitch they praise is essentially a bug, a game logic mistake. And if the developer ever had fixed it, they wouldn't have even the crumbs that they have now.

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Creation as a process, shouldn't be the path of pain and sorrow. Hard times already made strong men, strong men brought us new brushes and the only question is to accept it or not. Your point of view sounds very ortodoxie for me, which is also a synonym of stagnation. New instruments = new possibilities, more involved artists = more new works. I want to see this future, and i dosn't see where is a problem.

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Actually its not a new instrument because the function was always there. It just lowers the barrier of entry but lifting the floor up to match everyone who was already doing the advanced stuff.

IM stagnate? You are saying the tools make the Artist, not the artist makes the tools. When someone does housing with me. They don't believe themselves a Artist because they think the canvas or the brush holds them back. The only thing holding them back is their creativity and the willingness to commit to creating that feeling.

Sure its a lot easier, to automate the proccess yourself. But a A to B placement will never come close to the feeling of overcoming an design brick wall and accidently creating a new emergent design.

Im trying to get them through the process of designing a housing unit. Im trying to teach them how to utilize the creativity they never though they had. Because its how I discovered my own creativity. In the end they aren't moving a item from A to B they are being made to think outside the box, that every bump in the road is a opportunity to be challenged and questioned. Those challenges and questions affect the final product, in a way where A to B placement skips the lateral thinking aspect.

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You are clearly not understanding a word of what I'm saying so I'll leave it at that. Take care.

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You mistakening "I dont see it that way" with "I don't understand"

I find your way is hollow to me and lacks soul. and you find my process restrictive and unnecessary.

We are on 2 entirely different wavelengths. I understand you. I don't agree with it. Not you're wrong for having your perspective

IMO Art is a process not just progress. Sure. I can create my character in chatgpt or something. But doing it with my own 2 hands and struggling every step of the way to come to the end result makes it feel more meaningful to me because its the result of what I did an every lesson along the way that got it there.

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Actually its not a new instrument because the function was always there. It just lowers the barrier of entry but lifting the floor up to match everyone who was already doing the advanced stuff.

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Well, actullay, 3D axis vector its different way of interraction, its allow you to use dirrect manipulation with object. While the glich required support objects to do the same, but with less level of controll. For me its sounds like new instrument.

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IM stagnate? You are saying the tools make the Artist, not the artist makes the tools. When someone does housing with me. They don't believe themselves a Artist because they think the canvas or the brush holds them back. The only thing holding them back is their creativity and the willingness to commit to creating that feeling.

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Stagnation, in this case, is your reluctance to accept new things.I didn’t say that without a tool there is no artist, I said that a proper tool can make an artist’s work better. It's a big difference.

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Sure its a lot easier, to automate the proccess yourself. But a A to B placement will never come close to the feeling of overcoming an design brick wall and accidently creating a new emergent design.

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Automation of the process is when an object from point A to point B is moved by program logic, without the direct control of the player.

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Im trying to get them through the process of designing a housing unit. Im trying to teach them how to utilize the creativity they never though they had. Because its how I discovered my own creativity. In the end they aren't moving a item from A to B they are being made to think outside the box, that every bump in the road is a opportunity to be challenged and questioned. Those challenges and questions affect the final product, in a way where A to B placement skips the lateral thinking aspect.

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You have found your way, congratulations! But why did you decide that this way is only one? I get inspiration from everything around me and outside of the game. I don't need what you need to create. Thats the point. I want to get the tools to realize as many of my fantasies as possible in the game, without spending 90% of the time on extra actions that are completely useless and brings me nothing.

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Well, actullay, 3D axis vector its different way of interraction, its allow you to use dirrect manipulation with object. While the glich required support objects to do the same, but with less level of controll. For me its sounds like new instrument.

Stagnation, in this case, is your reluctance to accept new things.I didn’t say that without a tool there is no artist, I said that a proper tool can make an artist’s work better. It's a big difference.

Automation of the process is when an object from point A to point B is moved by program logic, without the direct control of the player.

You have found your way, congratulations! But why did you decide that this way is only one? I get inspiration from everything around me and outside of the game. I don't need what you need to create. Thats the point. I want to get the tools to realize as many of my fantasies as possible in the game, without spending 90% of the time on extra actions that are completely useless and brings me nothing.

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When did I say I was arguing against it? I said there is something lost in that. Not its the only way.

Typing made writing easier, but penmanship became a lost art. Should we be forced back into parchment and quill? No, but there is something lost in the simplification.

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When did I say I was arguing against it? I said there is something lost in that. Not its the only way.
Typing made writing easier, but penmanship became a lost art. Should we be forced back into parchment and quill? No, but there is something lost in the simplification.

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An autentic expirience? Well, you can always limiting yourself with the way how to create. And i don't think SE will change system too much, if they do in future.
Anyway, remember history, keep up with the future.

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An autentic expirience? Well, you can always limiting yourself with the way how to create. And i don't think SE will change system too much, if they do in future.
Anyway, remember history, keep up with the future.

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Have you ever seen someones handwriting and go "Wow that's impressive!"

Do you feel the same way about the same message typed in standard Times New Romans Font?

Its how I feel. Times New Roman is easier to read, then fluid practiced script. One is utilitarian, and the other one is expression. In the end the message is the same. Just written through a lense of either the end result is the result, or the expression is written into the end result.

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Have you ever seen someones handwriting and go "Wow that's impressive!"
Do you feel the same way about the same message typed in standard Times New Romans Font?
I get it, you want the ocean of Housing accessibility to be wide. But I want it to have depth.

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People usually upsets about lost opportunities rather than gaining new ones... You said that an artist creates a work, not a tool. So if its works become worse or lose the depth, then this is the fault of the artist, not the tool.
The ability to adapt to new things (which came many years after the game’s release) is the key skill of a good creator.

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Originally Posted by Moon_Rabbit

People usually upsets about lost opportunities rather than gaining new ones... You said that an artist creates a work, not a tool. So if its works become worse or lose the depth, then this is the fault of the artist, not the tool.
The ability to adapt to new things (which came many years after the game’s release) is the key skill of a good creator.

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Im sorry for editing a lot lol

Here the thing for me. Once I get a Z axis. Its a friction-less tool in my hands. What limits can I push, if you removed the limits? How can you innovate when you've given everyone "the great equalizer"

Lofting in itself was the innovation that changed the housing game. Now that's standardized. What's something someone can do that stands out, when the thing that allows you to stand out is given to everyone? If everyone stand out, noone stands out.

No, I'm not making a void house lol