My feedback as once starry eyed and now disillusioned player

tl;dr I would hope developers ever read this, but at this point it's just me venting my frustration with the game as it is currently developed.

With Dawntrail release I feel consistently betrayed as a customer. Expansion marketing promised a more lighthearted tone and I was very much excited for it, but those expectations were subverted in a way that was filled with tropes and blatant attempts to emulate shadowbringers. Exciting new abilities were so uniform it became a game between me and friend where I'd want him to guess which ability I unlocked. Saying "big finisher at the end of 2 minute cooldown" was almost always correct answer. Exploration zone was marketed as successor to Bozja and even here large scale duty subverted expectations by featuring mechanics like randomized entrance requirement, body checks and placeable tank buster areas which require coordination between the entire group and place it away from casual players.

As a customer and casual player I feel very dissatisfied with current state of this game, especially when there are so many on the market that are licensed cheaper and with no time limit on interaction.

In regards to the big finisher thing, I understand that part because they are trying to keep jobs balanced. They were pretty consistent in the media tour that they aren't going to look at job uniqueness until 8.0.

Forked Tower having these mechanics isn't such an issue; the issue is really that they didn't have a CLL-level difficult instance in Occult, then a DRS-like system for Forked Tower where you enter via PF. Or at least, entering as a 48-player alliance should be possible and should reserve a unique Occult instance just for them.

I was running the newer dungeons on my main as a 740 Viper. 3 times I wasn't in any of the line of fire mechanics and was killed all three times. Even the other players saw me out of the target zones. This has been an increasing frustration with the recent changes to game. I'm running a direct connection with Fiber so my lag is under 3 ms. If I hadn't just renewed my sub I think I'm at point where I'm ready to quit the game despite all the hours played.:mad::mad::mad:

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Originally Posted by GypsieJaeger

I was running the newer dungeons on my main as a 740 Viper. 3 times I wasn't in any of the line of fire mechanics and was killed all three times. Even the other players saw me out of the target zones.

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Irrelevant. Cast time/red area is all that matters. If you are in the line of fire when the cast completes, then subsequently run out of the way, it will still hit or kill you when the effect/animation is processed. We call this snapshotting.

So:

1. Cast completes while you are in hit area.
2. You run out while game processes animation and cycles through players to apply damage and sends out the hit/dead packets to clients.
3. You see yourself die suddenly despite being out of hit area.

If it doesn't obey these rules then you have some packet loss or an inefficient route - this can often be improved with a VPN.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Irrelevant. Cast time/red area is all that matters. If you are in the line of fire when the cast completes, then subsequently run out of the way, it will still hit or kill you when the effect/animation is processed. We call this snapshotting.

So:

1. Cast completes while you are in hit area.
2. You run out while game processes animation and cycles through players to apply damage and sends out the hit/dead packets to clients.
3. You see yourself die suddenly despite being out of hit area.

If it doesn't obey these rules then you have some packet loss or an inefficient route - this can often be improved with a VPN.

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Or a you-know-what that SE could integrate into the game if they gave a toss.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Irrelevant. Cast time/red area is all that matters. If you are in the line of fire when the cast completes, then subsequently run out of the way, it will still hit or kill you when the effect/animation is processed. We call this snapshotting.

So:

1. Cast completes while you are in hit area.
2. You run out while game processes animation and cycles through players to apply damage and sends out the hit/dead packets to clients.
3. You see yourself die suddenly despite being out of hit area.

If it doesn't obey these rules then you have some packet loss or an inefficient route - this can often be improved with a VPN.

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I find weird that some of the telegraphs have the animations delayed but others don't. If they can match the actual animation to the end of the telegraph, why they won't do it everytime? It surely makes the mechanics visually more appealing.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I find weird that some of the telegraphs have the animations delayed but others don't. If they can match the actual animation to the end of the telegraph, why they won't do it everytime? It surely makes the mechanics visually more appealing.

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One of the mysteries we'll likely never know the answer to. It gives new players a feeling that they're lagging when when in reality they just don't understand how the game works, yet. However, it's not a latency issue, it's just how they decided to design it.

It isn't as bad as it was in ARR where you got attacks like Titan's Landslide going off 2 seconds after it snapshots who it'll hit, but the delay is still there. Occult Crescent seems to have a lot of serious cases where the attack goes off way after the targets are snapshotted.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

They were pretty consistent in the media tour that they aren't going to look at job uniqueness until 8.0.

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They better make it good for Black Mage. What they've done to this job through all of DT is unforgivable.

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Originally Posted by Basteala

They better make it good for Black Mage. What they've done to this job through all of DT is unforgivable.

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I think it's becoming more speedy to fit in line with their game direction from 8.0? I read something like that on the Black Mage Action Guide a couple months back.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I find weird that some of the telegraphs have the animations delayed but others don't. If they can match the actual animation to the end of the telegraph, why they won't do it everytime? It surely makes the mechanics visually more appealing.

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For some attacks you're supposed to read the boss's body language (like if raising an arm = about to cleave that half of the arena) or look at their cast bar. In those instances the ground AOE marker will only show for a second right when the attack happens. You're not meant to see that and dodge in a millisecond, it's more to communicate where the attack landed for future reference.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

For some attacks you're supposed to read the boss's body language (like if raising an arm = about to cleave that half of the arena) or look at their cast bar. In those instances the ground AOE marker will only show for a second right when the attack happens. You're not meant to see that and dodge in a millisecond, it's more to communicate where the attack landed for future reference.

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I still don't see why they can't match the animation to longer telegraphs where you're given time to react.

Yes, we are consumers. Yes, SE's conduct is getting more and more egregious and as a general statement the value proposition for this game is not there. I think most people have reached the same conclusion. So what can you, as a consumer do? Well you can unsubscribe and not make any further purchases of the product. Go and play/purchase a competitor. If you feel that SE's conduct violates law, you can complain to your jurisdiction's regulator. FFXIV is not a monopoly, so as a consumer you have the power to take your money elsewhere on the MMO market. You'd be surprised what a meaningful hit to the bottom line of a publicly traded company can do.

I kinda want bosses that as a tank I can control for the whole encounter. Not face them a direction and then they ADHD jump into the middle in a SWOOSH sound effect like all of the 10000 other bosses, to do a dance routine again where you just dodge

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

I kinda want bosses that as a tank I can control for the whole encounter. Not face them a direction and then they ADHD jump into the middle in a SWOOSH sound effect like all of the 10000 other bosses, to do a dance routine again where you just dodge

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This is another example of the DDR philosophy. The less control players have over positioning the boss, the more of a one-dimensional dance it becomes. It also reduces the necessity for cooperation between players. Or at least it would if we still had jobs with a significant array of positionals.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I still don't see why they can't match the animation to longer telegraphs where you're given time to react.

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Because that would make the fights even more braindead than they already are, obviously. If you read the cast and remember what it does, you can dodge it.

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Originally Posted by GypsieJaeger

I was running the newer dungeons on my main as a 740 Viper. 3 times I wasn't in any of the line of fire mechanics and was killed all three times. Even the other players saw me out of the target zones. This has been an increasing frustration with the recent changes to game.

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Snapshoting works the same in the entire game, that is the same in ARR and now. maybe you should learn how it works and when you get hit by mechanics to avoid getting hit in the future.

When an enemy is casting a spell and the cast is finished , you are hit. Even if the animation and damage seem to hit you 1-2 seconds later, thats why it looks like you are hit even when you are outside of an AOE.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Because that would make the fights even more braindead than they already are, obviously. If you read the cast and remember what it does, you can dodge it.

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Riveting gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Riveting gameplay.

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Award winning community though.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

I kinda want bosses that as a tank I can control for the whole encounter. Not face them a direction and then they ADHD jump into the middle in a SWOOSH sound effect like all of the 10000 other bosses, to do a dance routine again where you just dodge

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this is why i dont even think about playing tank as a mainjob. its so annoying

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Because that would make the fights even more braindead than they already are, obviously. If you read the cast and remember what it does, you can dodge it.

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You need to see the cast and dodge either way. We already have 'braindead' easy to dodge ones but also very fast telegraphs that you need to read something else first before thinking where to dodge, or else you won't make it because in those occasions, the telegraph is just to show how you failed, not to help you to evade.

Matching the telegraph to the animation only gives a more cohese visual approach to fights. Because mechanically, somebody can just get used to the delayed casts.

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Originally Posted by Anonemoose

Yes, we are consumers. Yes, SE's conduct is getting more and more egregious and as a general statement the value proposition for this game is not there. I think most people have reached the same conclusion. So what can you, as a consumer do? Well you can unsubscribe and not make any further purchases of the product. Go and play/purchase a competitor. If you feel that SE's conduct violates law, you can complain to your jurisdiction's regulator. FFXIV is not a monopoly, so as a consumer you have the power to take your money elsewhere on the MMO market. You'd be surprised what a meaningful hit to the bottom line of a publicly traded company can do.

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SE has managed hold people hostage with housing, and I think that's the biggest reason why people still log in to the game even if they have nothing to do at all.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

SE has managed hold people hostage with housing, and I think that's the biggest reason why people still log in to the game even if they have nothing to do at all.

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Yeah and I don't like the practice either, it's extremely malicious and unfair, but it's just one of many examples of the increasingly egregious monetisation of the game. Unfortunately the housing hostage situation only happens because it's successful, too many people are afraid to let go - it exploits the sunk cost fallacy and human condition.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

SE has managed hold people hostage with housing, and I think that's the biggest reason why people still log in to the game even if they have nothing to do at all.

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no one force those player to keep theyre house so it isn't really well yes it is but it is also player fault. But! it shown the weakness in housing in itself housing should be personally instances in my book so it never vanish or get destroyed.

But again SE is a indie so can't ask to much