Hi. This post is primarily for SE’s benefit, as I’m sure they’re reading a lot of different posts about the state of Pictomancer. I want to say right off the bat, this is not a defense of Pictomancer’s damage numbers. I’m not a numbers nerd, I’m not a multi year Ultimate hard core raider, and I don’t know what goes into building a job for an MMO. Perhaps I’m “mid-core,” however people want to describe that. I’ve been playing for about four years, I’ve cleared current content Savages and Extremes, done old Ultimates, and I’ve played a variety of jobs, mainly Tanks and Casters.
To the job dev team at SE, I want to say how much I appreciate the existence of Pictomancer. You guys nailed it in terms of job design. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I feel like you haven’t released a well designed dps job since Dancer in ShB. Dancer was superb with a solid job identity throughout its leveling process. And with Pictomancer, I feel the same way. When I sync down to older content, even as far back as ARR, I’m not just playing a “1-2-3-repeat” dps. If I have motifs, then I know that I’m a Pictomancer, just like a Dancer would with Standard Step. Painting is core to the identity and it is present throughout. The variety and style, having different mechanics such as RGB combos and CMY combos seamlessly mesh together, skills allowing movement and skills requiring stillness, it all blends together so well. You guys did an incredible job with this.
As a player, thank you. I really like this job because it’s fun to play. That’s what good job design should be. When I do roulettes, I know that Pictomancer will be a good option at any level, because it has identity at every level, unlike many dps who don’t have certain skills or defining characteristics when synced down. It really feels like a job designed by people who play this game, who understand that a job not only needs to feel good to play on release or even max level, but also when it is synced down to level 50 or level 60 or level 70.
I hope that in the coming patches, you will receive a lot of useful feedback from your player base, not just concerning Pictomancer, but also concerning other jobs and how they might develop from the lesson learned in Pictomancer. I’m also hopeful that in 8.0, we might see a lot of sweeping job changes that allow other jobs this feeling of identity and completeness, whether high or low level. It will be a lot of work, and I do not envy you the task. But from a very grateful player, thank you for Pictomancer.
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12-06-2024, 09:25 AMCeltazarPictomancer Appreciation Post
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12-06-2024, 11:50 AMSupersnow845
This is kinda the state I’m in
PCT NEEDS a DPS nerf but for gods sake do not change its internal design. The job flows like water no matter the encounter type and has an incredibly strong identity
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12-06-2024, 03:56 PMCarighanYeah it's one of only two casters (the other being Red Mage) that actually tries to have something unique in their design right now, whereas Summoner and Black Mage not only feel like a wash (they're both static rotation DPS with cycles to their DPS and virtually 100% instant casts for full mobility) but also feel like they might as well not be a caster in the first place.Quote:
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12-06-2024, 04:45 PMmallleable
They release a completely broken job that just destroys all fights, and basically invalidates a lot of jobs -- even an entire role, and they're like 'wait til 8.0 for job stuff.' No. Please start making bigger changes now, we cannot wait.
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12-06-2024, 04:53 PMSupersnow845As much as PCT is overpowered and needs to be nerfed PCT isn’t the reason why every ranged job except BLM and SCH have been in toilet since ShBQuote:
Originally Posted by mallleable
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12-06-2024, 06:26 PMCarighan
Plus it's genuinely as simple as a potency nerf. Nothing mechanical about Pictomancer is problematic, stuff is just ridiculously overtuned in raw numbers, for absolutely no reason.
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12-07-2024, 05:29 AMRithy255
I think they need to reduce how effective down time is but not too much because that's also a lot to do with Pictos skill expression, the reason why your seeing Picto outperform other jobs in the ultimate's is how it uses that downtime.
Honestly I do hope they don't see this as a reason to change how it plays but going by the track record of viper, ninja and dragoon changes I wouldn't be surprised if we got random questionable changes.
At the end of the day this relates back to the 2 minute meta and how sanitised and safe job design is that a job like pictomancer existing sort of breaks the balance and shows the major flaws yet again with how it limits job designs (similar to how Early EW paladin also didn't fit because it had two seperate weaker bursts per minute), The game is designed around only having burst jobs that can burst inside the 2 minute window. -
12-07-2024, 05:45 AMSequoraIt’s not just a potency nerf. PCT damage is fairly balanced in nonFRU encounters. It’s the extreme amounts of downtime in that one encounter. You can’t just nerf it without hurting it everywhere else.Quote:
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12-07-2024, 06:19 AMHikariKurosawaLots of people really enjoy static rotations. I am all for unique jobs that play like WoW classes, but the moment they start to turn existing jobs into WoW classes I'll just stop playing.Quote:
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If you want something new and different, try making suggestions for that specifically instead of coming after existing jobs and acting like there is something wrong with them just because you don't enjoy their playstyle. -
12-07-2024, 08:46 AMOwyn_Addens
I love Pictomancer's design. It has a strong identity, and the ability to shine in 2-target fights with downtime is super neat. But it needs potency nerfs across the board so it's not outshining jobs that are supposed to excel at full-uptime, single-target fights when that's not supposed to be Picto's niche.
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12-07-2024, 10:55 AMSupersnow845Nobody is, people are saying don’t ruin PCT’s design because it just works better in this game than classes that have static rotations, nerf its potency sure but don’t change itQuote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
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12-07-2024, 11:10 AMHikariKurosawaThe person I responded to was asking for dragoon to be changed too in another thread, then in this thread they criticized black mage and summoner's job design for having static rotations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
I get wanting new jobs to have a different formula, but I think it is important to push back against people asking for them to change existing jobs into less static. Static =/= bad if it is complicated and engaging enough, which most if not all static jobs are in this game.
Even summoner's difficulty is extremely understated in this community. It is good that the game has something that is relatively straightforward, almost everything else is extremely complicated. Most longterm players are absolutely out of touch with how complicated jobs are in this game because it's almost all muscle memory to them. -
12-07-2024, 11:21 AMSupersnow845The thing is the modern jobs sans PCT ARE stale because they all follow the same formula and they all have the same downsides and upsides in the same design space and that’s why PCT dominates in a downtime fightQuote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
Again ignoring PCT every single job in this game is
1) builder spender- we have no sustained jobs (BLM and VPR aren’t sustained anymore they are just builder spenders with bad bursts, no rampers, no DOT’ers and no buffers
2) hates downtime but has some form of partial mitigation for it
3) only works to its design intention on single target 100% uptime fights
4) has upwards of 90% of their rotation be completely static
A static rotation isn’t necessarily bad but the modern job design is severely hampering the ability for jobs to break to mold. Even in these PCT threads after years of the same stale mush PCT finally does something different and the most common suggestion to fix it is “motifs only with a target” which turns it into the same “only works during full uptime one target” mush the other jobs already are.
If we have to break the old jobs to get some form of job diversity back I’ll take it -
12-07-2024, 11:31 AMHikariKurosawaI don't agree that jobs are even remotely similar in this game so I can't really respond to that. I understand that pct is overtuned for downtime, and yeah it probably should just be nerfed to need a target to draw motifs. Logic would be "lacking artistic inspiration"/"inspired by their enemies".Quote:
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There is just nothing wrong with jobs being static rotations mostly. It makes the game more balanced and is why jobs are so well balanced in this game for the most part. -
12-07-2024, 11:44 AMSupersnow845So I’m confused. We shouldn’t be saying that the old jobs should be changed because some of us think they are stale and locked into limited job design but because of the imbalance the solution to is to……..take away what makes PCT unique. Making the motifs need targets would completely ruin PCT at every level of playQuote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
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12-07-2024, 11:56 AMHikariKurosawaIf what makes PCT unique makes it break the game then unfortunately it's not congruent with good game design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
The person I responded to wanted to make dragoon have jump GCDs that made the job invulnerable to damage during the animation. Very unique but also absolutely broken. Or we can give paladin a manual block button and it can mitigate everything when you press "raise shield" at the right time. That's unique right so it must be good?
PCT is plenty unique regardless of whether you can paint motifs without a target or not. Just like every other job in this game. Getting a little tired of listening to people say homogenization is an issue in this game. It's like a buzz word they use to gaslight the devs.
I'd like to see you make a thread where you specifically explain how jobs are homogenized in this game with real examples and clear reasoning. It's good that the devs know better than to be gaslit though, because it's really immature how this community tries to get their way. If you like jobs playing like WoW classes, that game exists. Go play WoW. -
12-07-2024, 12:17 PMMrJPtheAssassinIt's funny you say when that is what happened to old smn...smn was changed bc ppl complained about how it was a "real" ff summoner and how it was too hard all the time. So what did the devs do? They completely reworked into baby's first job and ripped all the fun out of the job for those who main it for years! SMN now is a shell of itself and it rework left players like myself with no job to play for a whole expac...All EW I had to give up my fav role bc of the smn rework and I don't think that's very fair at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
There is nothing wrong with jobs being static but taking an already existing job and reworking it into one like they did with smn was wrong. If they wanted to make a straightforward job for beginners then make a new job, don't turn one that already had a fan base into one... In fact, instead of having blu mage being a useless limited job, turn it into beginner-friendly caster...and revert smn back to what it once was. -
12-07-2024, 12:32 PMHikariKurosawaI think summoner being reworked was actually a good thing. I wasn't around for the summoner before rework but I've watched videos on its gameplay and it was not what I would call a final fantasy summoner. What we have now is iconic and clearly a summoner.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJPtheAssassin
What I hope they do, is make something like green mage that brings back the dot based gameplay for people who enjoy managing dots. Managing dots is not the identity of a final fantasy summoner though, and the game desperately needed something that was more approachable.
I agree with you though, they should be extremely careful about changing existing jobs. It's better to implement new jobs for new ideas rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater just to appease people who are unhappy with what currently exists. -
12-07-2024, 06:50 PMCarighanThis is going to be tricky, considering that all but ~3 current jobs (Red Mage, Picto, Summoner) have massive and deep, underlying, conceptual issues. Their gameplay in button presses might be alright, but the job you control via those is entirely unusable from a balancing POV and more or less needs to be ripped out and re-implemented. And even those three are only superficially okay, except, as you say, Summoner. Which conveys their job fantasy extremely well, it just needs "more". Mostly more summons that aren't Bahamut-From-Wish.Quote:
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12-07-2024, 09:18 PMValence
It feels a bit weird reading that current jobs are complicated, compared to their much older versions...
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12-07-2024, 11:08 PMSweetPete
Y'all gone get this job completely nuked in 8.0. Just like SCH got in 5.0. PCT will be utterly destroyed and rarely anyone is gonna play it. I'm just gonna chuckle when it happens.
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12-07-2024, 11:26 PMHikariKurosawaListen, if you're going to make statements like that you have to actually provide logic and reason. You can't just bold words like "massive" and "conceptual" and expect people to understand where you're coming from. In what way is the job design "entirely unusable" from a balancing pov? For what reason does it "more or less" need to be ripped out and re-implemented? How are those three only superficially okay? Where are you even coming from with this post? Complaints without logic should just remain unspoken. You need to be able to convey your actual reasoning and logic if you want to make any meaningful contribution to the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carighan
Point out where I said they were complicated relative to their older versions in this thread though. All I am saying is that jobs and their execution mid-combat in this game are way more complicated than people give them credit. If the game has become boring for you it's because you no-lifed it like crazy or have played for many many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence
I can beat the final boss of elden ring dlc while falling asleep at this point, I've done it hitless several times on the highest ng+ cycle without using a broken build. Do I think the game is easy because I have come close to mastery of the combat? No, it's extremely complex. That's just what it means to be a practiced human. -
12-08-2024, 04:38 AMCarighanOh sorry, as per your reply in the other thread, should I have said I believe they need to be ripped out and reimplemented? Because then I can just forego providing reasonings and logical arguments, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
Wise words you should take to heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
But I apologize, that's a bit crass a thing to say. As for the actual reason, it's the lack of gameplay implementation of the job's fantasy. These jobs do not convey their lore, and this leads to a problem. As MMORPGs as a whole age, they naturally drift towards more and more homogenization, a function of a playerbase that will only ever tolerate better balance (see us complaining about a 5% difference in damage output by now, back in early WoW you'd be lucky to be closer than 50% together...) together with a per-game increase of classes and specs as it ages creating a larger and larger pool of abilities and gameplay to fill.
From this comes the problem that given an ever-more-homogenized pool of gameplay, any derivation from this homogenized setup will result in an imbalance that is less and less tolerated. See Picto's downtime-resistance and how much it becomes a problem for Ultimate raiders.
Now to get around this, there are two basic approaches:
* You can just further homogenize, effectively turning jobs into functional mirrors of one another. To a degree this is what the devs have already done, what with the 120s burst window for everyone and the focus on a static rotation based around never-held (roughly, it's not perfect) CDs. This can only help to a degree because as the window for imbalance shrinks and your pool of classes increases, you can not extend this forever before having to resort to actual mirror-characters like in fighting games.
* You can differentiate classes on identity, fantasy and lore, but not on their gameplay contributation. This idea is basically smoke&mirrors, so long as your job seems to be doing something totally out there, nobody truly cares whether the profile of damage (or healing, or tanking) you provide is effectively identical to someone else's. This is something you'll effectively have to look at anyways as your game ages, and is usually done via a bolted-on system of subclasses or sub-specializations to differentiate already-homogenized classes again. WoW does this a lot and has cycled a lot of systems over its lifetime, for another still-running approach look at the Elite specs of GW2 which sadly seem to be stagnating by now.
The latter approach interestingly is quite flexible: It only matters that it seems to be unique. So for example, that a Summoner is no different than any other caster in what they do hardly matters, they summon giant entities that very much are instantly recognizable to anybody who has played FF games before, including that each of them does one big attack and then shoots off again.
This is why I said that the gameplay button sequences work well enough for some jobs (I wish we'd not all have static rotations but wow would that be a massive reworking of the entire combat system if they want to bring proper priority-based, resource-based and proc-based jobs in...) but the job around it should still be more or less hollowed out and re-implemented. Which does not mean a super-simplification like it happened for Summoner, that sometimes feels like they quit after the major big task and never realized there were 10+ more added to it when implemented the new version, but that the shift to an identity that befits the class fantasy in how their abilities are conceptualized, are implemented, are used during combat and how they look is a purely beneficial change to them. The previous mini-pet version just isn't what you think of when someone tells you "Final Fantasy Summoner!".
So compare for example the monk: Do you feel "Monk" when you bounce bounce around like a Pinball powerball on speed? Throwing individually weak punches at an accelerated rate? This is something shown as a singular attack for monks in many contexts, but they are rarely shown like this overall, that's more Ninjas or so. A monk would be somebody who is extremely evasive, who meditates, taking time, in fact attacks only very rarely, with absolutely devastating results. And the job quests even convey such a job fantasty! It just isn't in the implementation! That's the problem. -
12-08-2024, 05:51 AMValenceYou wrote that they were complicated. I am not saying that they're easy or difficult (I'm leaving that for individual appreciations), I am saying that it feels weird to read this when I come from a background where they used to be more involved. I am sorry if I made it sound like "you should git gud" or whatever it may have sounded like. The game has not become easier, in fact, since the difficulty has merely shifted more onto encounters.Quote:
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In fact it is funny you saying the game has become boring to me, because while it certainly has become boring to me, it's for wildly different reasons mainly related to taste. If anything, the game has become easier and harder at the same time for me: easier, because it's very formulaic and we've been dealing with the same legos for encounters for years and it makes it easier to learn when you've seen this since forever, and harder, because it's focusing increasingly into memory games, execution, DDR, and fast visual puzzles more than ever, and I kinda suck at those. My mind just glosses over it because I don't like it. -
12-08-2024, 06:58 AMHikariKurosawa
Holy yappamoly.
All those words just to say nothing. -
12-08-2024, 08:47 AMfulminating
Monk’s one hour is 100 fists, 45s of haste. Greased lightning is built up through hitting the enemy, making yourself faster and stronger with each cycle through your stances. Monk’s animations typically* have multiple impacts, bootshine and six sided star having 3 apiece, combo, howling fists, raging fists, asuran fists, tornado kick, shijin spiral, stringing pummel, maru kalu and dragon blow all hit 2-8 times.
Summoner is just a complete mess without elemental interaction. Likely even a step down from egi smn. Nothing has a niche anymore**, carby only has token commands. It’s barely even a mage.
Speaking of messes, adding a faerie to scholar has severely confused its identity from the established one in other ff games. Nice that they tried something even if it dates from a time when they thought they’d be doing pets.
* I don’t know about the weird new animations, I’ve been trying to pretend they don’t exist.
** admittedly the niches of single target,tankingtwoish and aoe didn’t exactly encourage varied use, but neither does casting them all in order. -
12-08-2024, 03:15 PMMrJPtheAssassinThe rework may be a good thing but the way they did the rework wasn't. They reworked smn and have it fit the "ff summoner" idea ppl had sure but that is all they did to the job, There is nothing interesting about smn other than "press button, see light show happen.' Its rotation is the easiest and most boring one in the game and it as has the depth of a kiddy pool. Sure ppl like you may be happy with it being that way but my point was is that it cost players like myself a job. I went a whole expac with nothing I really liked playing bc the devs decided to delete the one I loved. I went to rpr to raid in 6.0 but I didn't LOVE rpr, it was ok job, and had some fun with but not the same fun I had with SB and ShB smn. That was my baby, that was the job I spent years mastering and getting good at and now its gone just so ppl could have their pretty little lights and they summons that don't do anything but jump on screen for few secs to do an animation and leave. They even made carbuce useless and I never forgive them to making my lil guy a minion.Quote:
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12-08-2024, 05:17 PMCarighanYeah although it's conceptually so close to working well mechanically. We got a bunch of buttons each minor summon can override, they just need to not be different variants of "just nuke", rather I'd sort them as:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJPtheAssassin
* One is slow casts (3.0s-3.5s) with high damage (the only one that keeps the DPS level of the major summons).
* One is all instant casts but low damage, this summon emphasizes mobility.
* One is fast (1.5s) casts but medium damage, this one always has some form of utility.
Then have at least two summons per "slot" and make them work differently mechanically albeit sharing the role. Maybe Leviation instead of Ifrit always has line AoEs (and hence no separate AoE button), etc. Then a few seconds before the major summon ends the minor summons "fill up", and you can see the selection you randomly get. As each one works differently mechanically but shares the role, you got an assured combat performance, but not an assured combat gameplay. You got to react to that.
And this'd all be done with +3 summons (something everyone wants anyways) and a bunch of ability swaps and potency changes, no major reimplementation. Oh and removal of fake sword bahamut, because it should have never existed in the first place. -
12-08-2024, 08:13 PMValenceDid it make you angry? You asked a question, I replied. Sorry if you didn't like it.Quote:
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12-08-2024, 08:31 PMHikariKurosawaWasn't replying to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence
I will though, rotation based difficulty is just worse than encounter based difficulty. If the main form of difficulty is in rotations, then content becomes boring and stale permanently after you grind the training dummy enough and make your rotation muscle memory. Because once your rotation is muscle memory, doesn't matter how complex it is, you're not having to think about it at all. The content is still going to be balanced around the complexity of the rotations though.
When difficulty is primarily from encounters, it only becomes boring or stale after you have grinded the content enough. By that time there is either new content, or you are playing a new game while waiting for new content because you no-lifed the game too hard.
So yes, the game has become harder where it counts, and easier where it should be easier. They couldn't make encounters engaging enough with old job design. -
12-08-2024, 08:40 PMValence
Ah but that's assuming encounters are training dummies. Or that we live in the fabulous world of DDR encounters.
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12-08-2024, 08:54 PMSupersnow845You’ll be shocked to learn there is a middle ground between “the boss just looks at you while you do your memorised rotation” and “your rotation plays itself while you run around like Mario kart”Quote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
Somehow the pre ShB encounter/job balance (which every day you remind us you have no frame of reference for) figured this out because encounters weren’t easy, but they also weren’t 99.9% of the total difficulty either -
12-08-2024, 09:57 PMHikariKurosawaIf your rotation is playing itself, just uninstall the third party mods. Not complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
edit: I actually think this is probably shockingly common in this community. People tell themselves that the job design is so far gone that it's pointless to engage in, then they say that content design has become too complicated, and they use these two factors to rationalize cheating.
"If I don't like the job design, and I think the content design is too hard, why wouldn't I just cheat?"
The problem is, once you use third party mods, you are not allowed to have an opinion on the job design anymore since you've stopped engaging with it completely. -
12-09-2024, 01:05 AMValence
I feel like reviving the allegory of the cave by Plato at this point.
Good strawmen though. -
12-09-2024, 01:18 AMfulminatingWere you not vocal about disliking the state of dragoon before your 2024 uwu clear? This just seems like an awfully strange tangent to take us on if you’re not trying to say anything.Quote:
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12-09-2024, 02:03 AMHikariKurosawaYeah and now I think it is way better. Dealing with eyes was annoying for my uwu clear too. What is strange about my perspective? Look at my position in the dragoon thread currently.Quote:
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Gonna need you to elaborate on what you find inconsistent about my position. -
12-09-2024, 02:09 AMHesitate89I'm sincerely grateful for state of Picto & Ultimate Balance
I honestly very grateful for state of Picto & the Balance of FRU.
1. It's saving me millions gil on pots esp. for Ultimate, allowing me to help people in PF prog more, without worry of gil spent.
One of the biggest reasons i've noticed or felt others would slowly surely tilt during prog of a fight, esp. in Party Finder, during Prog there's a underlying Gil requirement per pull, now some of you may feel like gil is nothing, sure if you played for long time, even for me who has been around for while, eventually... the gil adds up over time, we have many new players jumping into the game recently, and the time it takes to gather the gil to prepare for this Ultimates requirement to prog an Ultimate outside of a static, is tremendously high.
This job & Ultimate fixed this subtle key issue, letting me help others for Free, that is massive QoL improvement from DSR & TOP prog.
During DSR and TOP i was spending millions gil per Week on pulls, sometimes up to 5mil per week just to help others get through phases and filling parties, this Job is going to save me so much time, and gil, and I will finish leveling it just so i can help people save gil as well. Honestly sincerely grateful for the decisions they made for this balance.
2. Provides flexibility, not only is the job fun but it provides flexible comps, during DSR and TOP there were many times where as a Caster main i would have to wait hours, or even days just to find specific phase to work on a raid or helping others due to limited Caster slots in PF, but now due to state of Pictomancer and Ultimate Balance, i am able to join more Double Caster comps WITH a Prange as well to prog this ultimate FREQUENTLY, with possibly spending gil as a Option to see later phases, thankful for this possibility.
This increases the potential for me to join more parties and spending less time waiting for fills during my brief periods of availability between work, with restrictions on DCT as well, allowing me to spend more quality time on RL, support others, and study before i sleep, and allowing me to plan my schedule easier, knowing it will take less time, now with Chaotic otw I can gear more jobs to help fill parties faster?! looking forward to update in couple weeks! Devs are cooking dude, they fixing many issues with prog, and gearing with these changes making game more fun and enjoyable without question.
I sincerely hope they change NOTHING, maybe give SMN a little love, as RDM main I don't mind RDM being lower on DPS than them, RDM rotation for this ULT already feels amazing as is, even better now with Picto. I feel like every time i open PF i can easily find a slot to join as Caster, Fake Melee or even swap to DNC to assist Picto further even joining as Double Caster comps with SMN or BLM. The DPS check in FRU can be rough without Picto, but it's really not that bad either, it's tight, but due to state of the boss enrages in FRU compared to TOP being more responsive to seeing P2, this allows more possibility of seeing later phases more frequently providing well needed buffer that is better for all levels of players. As well as allow players like me to hold damage and drop my DPS in order for others to build resources, win win!
Going to level picto soon just to help more people in FRU i got the weapon and gear from RDM, please don't change it, i can help so many ppl save gil and time with its current state, i just need lil more time.
Devs, and who ever designed Picto and FRU Balance together, i want to say thank you!!!!! hope you have amazing Holiday you all made incredible decision that's healthy for prog, and makes Ultimate more enjoyable for me, and others.
Fru prog may be my favorite prog and possibly fav Ult, hopefully clear it soon! -
12-09-2024, 02:12 AMMrJPtheAssassinGod I miss SB fights honestly...omega raid is still my fav raid by far. The fights were fun and had so many unique mechs. Like Ghost Train is still one of my fav beginning a tier savage fights. Kafka was so much fun aswell and I had such a great time progging Omega twins and finally omega as smn in SB. Like SB had its own issues but its fights IMO was so much better than the stuff we get today.Quote:
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12-09-2024, 06:56 AMValence
I feel like SB fights get unnecessarily remembered by people as awesome when in reality they do follow the exact same model than the current ones, just toned down. They definitely still retained some of the good stuff like preys on players other than tanks, or ranged dedicated mechanics, but otherwise.. they were mostly carried by the jobs that were still in a relatively pristine shape.
Phantom Train however, will always hold a special place for me. Best encounter even designed and blows out of the water any other fight.