Bozja is the most fun I've had with this game in a long time

Unfortunately they do not ask for feedback to returning players so I'm writing it here. I've stopped subbing months ago and used my 4 days to try Bozja, wanting to clear every ShB content before moving to Endwalker.

I'm not going over everything that I found good and bad here in the rest of the game because I've already commented/liked on the appropriate threads, and my opinion hasn't changed at all since my last posts when I unsubbed (boring jobs, bad glamour, no Viera hats, bad housing, the usual).

BUT I'd like to show some appreciation for Bozja. All the midcore content I've been feeling has lacked ever since they decided to cut and simplify endgame dungeons has apparently been here all this time. It's a shame it's been relegated to a sidequests that not a lot of people will do (but more than old synched Extremes anyway).

This is the only place where FATES are interesting enough to grind; Critical Encounters are just the right casual difficulty for Bosses, with enough dangerous mechanics to keep you on your toes but not overly punishing and a great gate system that doesn't turn them into mindless zergs like Hunts; Castrum and Delubrum Reginae were also the right difficulty: I went in after a quick glance at a guide but they were exactly what I'd expect for a casual player. DR was torture when I tried soloing it but huge thanks to the 7 people who showed up in my PF, you were very nice. Castrum was on the easier side but still enjoyable.


I wish open zones FATES worked like this, letting us climb the ranks of the Grand Company of Eorzea and deal with threats throughout Eorzea/the East in Critical Encounters. It's a shame it's been relegated to instanced, optional zones (mind you, it still had more people than when I was going through ShB MSQ areas).

I wasn't able to finish the entire quest (I only reached rank 20) but I can't wait to go back because I truly did not have this much fun since the HW days.

And if you fix housing, glamours and job identity I'll pay money for it as well!

The one thing I don't like about Bozja is that it's an instance so you can't grind it while you queue for other stuff. But it's a neat thing by itself. I enjoy.

Just imagine this kind of system is implemented for open world content for all DT zones.. DT won't be that much flop IMO

I agree with the sentiment about Bozja. I like Field Operations a lot as well, and we'll be getting another one in about 5-6 months or so.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

It's a shame it's been relegated to a sidequests that not a lot of people will do (but more than old synched Extremes anyway).

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If you avoid all sidequests then all you're ever gonna do is MSQ. And since some people only play for the story (rather than to be "good" at the game), they make them intentionally easy.

In fairness to them, they distinguish it from regular quests by making it blue. If it's blue, you know it unlocks something and is therefore worth doing.

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This is the only place where FATES are interesting enough to grind

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They have actually improved this in ShB, EW and DT with gemstone rewards. You can farm the ET and DT ones for gemstone vouchers to get mounts and other rewards. In any case, they make older FATEs useful for older relic grinds.

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Castrum was on the easier side but still enjoyable.

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It is now but on release with no echo and no stat buffs that we grind in Zadnor, there were a lot of wipes especially to the last boss and sometimes the second boss. The first one wasn't usually a wipe but I did see them.

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it still had more people than when I was going through ShB MSQ areas

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This is people from across the entire data center though. In the ShB MSQ areas, it's just one world's players, so it would probably be less regardless.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

Just imagine this kind of system is implemented for open world content for all DT zones.. DT won't be that much flop IMO

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Agreed. A new story arc would have been the perfect time to experiment more with gameplay and innovation. Instead the open world content stagnates and rots expansion after expansion, and (content like) Bozja, despite being very fun, dies out because it's instanced content that won't get any more updates come the next expansion. A shame.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

They have actually improved this in ShB, EW and DT with gemstone rewards. You can farm the ET and DT ones for gemstone vouchers to get mounts and other rewards. In any case, they make older FATEs useful for older relic grinds.

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That's all fine and good, but it does not make the FATEs any more FUN. I'd rather pull from my savings and buy the gemstones exclusives for 50m gil each than invest the time needed getting the vouchers myself by doing the same 2-3 FATEs across 18 zones.

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Originally Posted by Einnecy

That's all fine and good, but it does not make the FATEs any more FUN. I'd rather pull from my savings and buy the gemstones exclusives for 50m gil each than invest the time needed getting the vouchers myself by doing the same 2-3 FATEs across 18 zones.

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I'm not saying they're as fun as CEs because of it, but if OP finds them fun when there's a purpose such as a grind in Bozja, just making the point that there are grinds that involve them such as gemstone stuff or relics.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I'm not saying they're as fun as CEs because of it, but if OP finds them fun when there's a purpose such as a grind in Bozja, just making the point that there are grinds that involve them such as gemstone stuff or relics.

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I said the opposite of that. Einnecy is right. Grinding is boring but fights in Bozja are fun enough that I don't mind. They can attach as many relics and rewards to regular FATEs and I still won't have fun doing them.

want to say : cool story bro but it's only an opinion. personally i hate eureka and bozja, did them only for ozma/iklil mount and only did like 1-2 relics in those. my opinion is it's the worst "content" (because classic grind from early 2000 isn't really a content) that game ever put in, plus it defeat even more the whole purpose of the open world (which really need a rework to make ppl go into those areas outside of hunts and maps sometimes)

Yes, Bozja can be fun (The Red Comet! Hahahaaa!). But took too long, IMHO to get the weapon maxed out. It was too much of the same, over and over again. I hope, the new grind zone in DT will have more variety.



Cheers

Some of us do like grinds. I value my 10/10/10 more than I value ultimate clears. Grinds shouldn’t be discouraged, especially in an area sequestered away from the main game. The rest of the game is already designed around the “play for 5 minutes a year then log off”

Frankly, I overall like Eureka more, but I adore the fact that you can't rank down in Bozja, a big gripe I have with Eureka is that I can level down if I am not careful, which is just an uncomfortable thing that prevents me from getting experimental, it's not hard to get that level back up, sure, but it is annoying, and I get it's because it's that way in FFXI, but that's a system that I frankly think sucks and MMOs have largely moved away from.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Grinds shouldn’t be discouraged, especially in an area sequestered away from the main game.

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Not just that but it is something *completely* unnecessary, you can clear everything Bozja related without it, with much less in fact, it's just there so you can feel good for yourself and be proud of something, which is what a good grind should be about.

Fates are interesting? This post depresses me more than anything but I'm happy for you that you enjoyed it.

Because Bozja is so much more than fates

Like if you reduce Bozja down as far as fates how else do you reduce down everything else because Bozja is way more than just fates

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Because Bozja is so much more than fates

Like if you reduce Bozja down as far as fates how else do you reduce down everything else because Bozja is way more than just fates

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What is Bozja more than fates during the leveling process? I could understand the argument for Bozja's endgame, but what about the leveling, which is 90% of the time spent in there?

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Originally Posted by Valence

What is Bozja more than fates during the leveling process? I could understand the argument for Bozja's endgame, but what about the leveling, which is 90% of the time spent in there?

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CE’s, fragment farming, cluster farming, the levelling raids, trying out the duels

If you just run between the same three fates then call it boring that’s like spamming sastasha till 100 then saying dungeons are boring

Yeah, Bozja was very underrated at release because it started with some glaring issues like Duels not having RNG failsafe or CLL being kinda worthless past the first run due to the mettle losses, and the people who didn't like Field Operations to begin with yet though Bozja would have to cater to them because they cried and moaned about Eureka. Granted, there are somethings that kinda went by unnoticed, like the star mobs and some essences, and Delubrum Savage need to either need less players or have better rewards for the planning it takes to get a run going.

For the new Field Operation, it would be nice if they also recovered (and elaborated further on) some of the neater aspects Eureka had. Things like bunny treasure hunts, rare items, better map layouts (thinking Pyros here, not Pagos), better visual design and having one signature big boss fate, like Pazuzu or Penthesilea.

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Originally Posted by Valence

What is Bozja more than fates during the leveling process? I could understand the argument for Bozja's endgame, but what about the leveling, which is 90% of the time spent in there?

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Have you ever considered that Field Operations might just not be for you? The leveling process is fairly fast, specially if you get the mettle bonus from watching someone beat a Duel. If that little gets to you, it's clear FOs aren't your kind of content to begin with.

It's not mandatory content, you can skip that kind of content and leave it for people who actually like it and want SE to develop further on that line rather than to botch it in an attempt to appeal to a "broader" audience.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

CE’s, fragment farming, cluster farming, the levelling raids, trying out the duels

If you just run between the same three fates then call it boring that’s like spamming sastasha till 100 then saying dungeons are boring

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CEs are trial bosses but that's fair.
Fragment/cluster farming is what again? Farming mobs?
Leveling raids? Which? DLL, DR and Dalriada were all endgame.
Duels, fair point. When you could actually get in that is. I managed to get into exactly three of those the first day because everybody was making mistakes during CEs, past that point it was already competing against 20-30+ players in every CE for it. On top of it you had to have equipped very specific actions of which many were different depending on the duel, which meant that you couldn't prepare for them all. I declined 80% of the time because it was the wrong CE and the wrong duel I was chosen for and I knew I didn't have the correct lost action enabled for it. Past a point I stopped bothering altogether.

When it came to fates though, how many were they per map? Twenty something? Not very different from overworld fates, you quickly come to run in circles between them, having done most dozens and dozens of times already.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Things like bunny treasure hunts

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Bunny treasure hunts were the biggest disaster of eureka to me. Some logograms were locked behind gold chests from those, and they were required for gear progression. Not only the rng for gold chests wasn't stellar (I maybe saw 5 of those in my whole pyros experience), but you also had to pray to get even a slight chance to have an actual bunny because those stupid fates only allocated 8 of them for a hundred of people at release. The chokepoint was real and it frustrated so many players back then. Had to spend millions and millions in gil just to get a chance at those logograms that bunny chests were unable to provide, and I didn't have submarine printers back then to afford that.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Have you ever considered that Field Operations might just not be for you?

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I have yes, thus my dissatisfaction with it.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

The leveling process is fairly fast, specially if you get the mettle bonus from watching someone beat a Duel. If that little gets to you, it's clear FOs aren't your kind of content to begin with.

It's not mandatory content, you can skip that kind of content and leave it for people who actually like it and want SE to develop further on that line rather than to botch it in an attempt to appeal to a "broader" audience.

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I never saw anybody beat a duel live. They're not that hard when you know what to do, but it has never happened when I was going through it. Either way, not a big deal. I was pretty happy after eureka to see that the leveling progress wasn't too hard. I went through it because I wanted to experience the story. And I'm glad I did because there was a lot of it and lore behind it all, and the endgame instances were actually some of the best creative midcore content we've had (especially CLL and Dalriada). Why do I have to trudge through all that leveling tedium to get to the meat of the content? Make the leveling interesting, I say.

What does "broader audience" even means? More popular? Reaching out as many people as possible with the risk of diluting gameplay quality? But what is there even to dilute in the first place there?

I do agree with you and they plan to add a new field operation so let's our finger crossed.


if they don't they are legit neglecting the midcore player ;-;

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Originally Posted by Valence

Duels.

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The access part was largely fixed with the addition of Notoriety. And the specific actions for a duel isn't an issue at all since you can simply save holster loadouts in the cache and you have enough time to Return to the main camp and load the set with all you need for the Duel, get buffs and enter.

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Bunny treasure hunts

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Bunny fates and treasure hunts were fast enough and, on top of that, you had a total of 3 FATEs you could stay and farm with a group for the Offensive Logogram. Unlocking all Logos actions was quite feasible to anyone except those who get a crisis when they can't get something quickly which, to begin with, isn't the point of Field Operations. The only people that got locked out from this was the people who, to begin with, wasn't interested in the kind of content Eureka brought to begin with.

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I have yes, thus my dissatisfaction with it.

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Then why are you getting involved in discussion about a matter you're not even interested in to begin with? The logical discourse would be for people who engage in this kind of content fully, since those are the ones who would get the gist of what does and what does not work. And that's not to mention your previous thread where you pretty much advocated taking out the grinding from Field Operation (namely from the upcoming one), a kind of content that is pretty much about grinding.

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I went through it because I wanted to experience the story. And I'm glad I did because there was a lot of it and lore behind it all, and the endgame instances were actually some of the best creative midcore content we've had (especially CLL and Dalriada). Why do I have to trudge through all that leveling tedium to get to the meat of the content? Make the leveling interesting, I say.

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Those Bozjan raids were nowhere near midcore content because:
1. They really weren't any harder than Nier or Ivalice (on release) or any more unique. CLL and Dalriada were flexible ARs but still ARs. Only raid that was actually unique was Delubrum Reginae Savage due to the penalty system and the fact you actually had to plan around the core system in Bozja, which was the holster. It was both a test of preparation and execution and the only reason it wasn't more popular was because the amount of players needed and the rewards obtained were not proportionate to each other for repeated runs.
2. Even taking difficulty into account, the whole point of midcore and hardcore gaming is about player's commitment. Ultimates aren't hardcore because they're hard but because you have to spends hours and hours to get the dancing learnt. Bozja was good midcore content because you could spend hours commiting to many objectives, it being getting the permanent buffs, the relics, the mounts, the duel titles, the earrings, the glamours among them. And you could tackle them on with many different options, as Lost Actions and Essence can enable any of the classes and even change the flow of the rotation. And if you're only there for the story, that means you're only looking for a one-and-done deal, just like MSQ. What about that is even midcore?

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What does "broader audience" even means? More popular? Reaching out as many people as possible with the risk of diluting gameplay quality? But what is there even to dilute in the first place there?

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It shouldn't need explanation but the broader audience here speaks about trying to make the people who didn't like Field Operations, who are but a fraction of the community. And what did those players not like about Field Operations? Grinding. Meaning that in order to appease to those you would have to take away what this kind of content is built upon. Which is a nonsensical idea that isn't even guaranteed to please more people.

Notoriety came a little late unfortunately for me. It definitely seemed to help a little, although fact remained that when the content was current, everybody was still running CEs everywhere to progress, farm or whatever they were doing, and thus qualifying for duels. You had one person being picked over 20+, which meant that the rest of those all got notoriety increases anyway and you were still left competing with them. Fact of the matter remains that the amount of duels was extremely low, but perhaps the design was supposed to make it so that not everybody could access them and thus make them more prestigious. I was never hellbent into getting to clear them, and I do feel that at the core they were a very interesting idea, unfortunately far from filling the actual content people went through the area though. Just a skill/luck little bonus to chase for.

On bunnies according to a reddit thread someone had a 16% rate for gold chests with bunnies, and the correct logograms weren't guaranteed from those either (I got a handful of them without what I was looking for). Seeing that you also had to fight with a hundred of people at times, for maybe a tenth of a chance to actually get a bunny, let's just say that the final odds were not good at all. Ludicrously low. Guess I was unlucky, but that's the crux of the problem to me. Some people made millions out of it while others like me had to spend those.

Define midcore however you like then. You perfectly know what I mean. Also, if you're telling me that CLL at release was on the level of mere ARs, then I'd have to disagree. The first runs all wiped for a while until the groups I got into progressively figured out the first boss and this alone took many runs. Then clearing the whole actual instance, with the last two bosses? Yeah, wasn't done in a single attempt either. Once on farm? Yeah, perhaps closer to ARs for sure and I'd assume that the difference was mostly in the discovery and overcoming the content first since it was actually very new and different. Rename it anything else, rename it into casual for all I care. It was still great content and that was my point. I don't even know why you're trying to argue about midcore. If you define casual, softcore, midcore, hardcore or whatever alongside a metric of time, then sure, works for me. I've heard many other definitions that don't conform to that metric, and they also do work for me. Ultimately this is very hollow, and splitting hair instead of actually discussing the meaning behind which should have been quite obvious: people have been claiming for a long time now that there is little bridges in content, or at least no real pve content for non raiders coming in major patches. This isn't me saying that, it's a metric ton of people (you just have to read threads everywhere, read media articles, everybody talks about it especially with EW and DT).

Note on "I was there for the story": CLL and whatnot had not been advertised at all, and if they had, then I missed it. I went in because there was potentially a story. Because the whole shebang starts with a quest that's not just a NPC telling you "ok that's unlocked go have fun now". Because the whole leveling process only had the story to keep me going and unlike Eureka which had things only at the very closure (last quest), Bozja had a lot of story every level inside which was actually good. Because I was curious to try it out as well, who knows? How can you tell you don't like something if you don't even try it out? If there is other types of pve content inside to actually enjoy for me, then you can bet I'll enjoy them and I did to a degree with CLL and others once I got access to those. Are you trying to mislabel me as a "msq only player" or what? That argument is just disingenuous. I'm a bit sick to be told to go look elsewhere if I don't like part of the content. That's a big part of the problem also ain't it? There is no way to completely make up your mind on exploratory areas every time because you won't know until you have tried everything inside, and this includes its endgame. I've played through Diadem, Eureka, and Bozja, and I can safely say that they had very problematic parts to all of them to different degrees, but not everything was. They had good ideas here and there. Who's to tell what the next is going to hold this time? I think you're a little too quick to jump to conclusions and make blanket statements about people.

"But a fraction of the community"? Do you have numbers to back that up? I honestly don't have any and I'd be interested if some people do, actually. And then, how do you even tell between the people that got avid fans of it, people that just enjoyed it casually, people that only liked parts of it like me, or people that just hated everything inside?

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Then why are you getting involved in discussion about a matter you're not even interested in to begin with? The logical discourse would be for people who engage in this kind of content fully, since those are the ones who would get the gist of what does and what does not work. And that's not to mention your previous thread where you pretty much advocated taking out the grinding from Field Operation (namely from the upcoming one), a kind of content that is pretty much about grinding.

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So you're telling me to disengage and stop playing if I don't like things, but only people that do engage "fully" into this type of content should have the right to talk about what does work and what doesn't? Do you see the contradiction in this statement? And that's not even without talking about my own experience inside: as said above, I have "fully" engaged into Diadem, Eureka and Bozja, all at release. I know what I'm talking about, if that's your worry. I just happen to hold a different opinion about it than you do.

I'd also be interested to know where you got that I wanted all the grinding out of FOs? I am pretty sure that the only thing I have always advocated for was to make the base grinding content ENGAGING.

I'll give it to you though that I got completely carried away with this thread, and since this is about people enjoying the content and sharing their experiences, I shouldn't have said anything out of respect.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'd also be interested to know where you got that I wanted all the grinding out of FOs? I am pretty sure that the only thing I have always advocated for was to make the base grinding content ENGAGING.

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Which would entail what, exactly?

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I'll give it to you though that I got completely carried away with this thread, and since this is about people enjoying the content and sharing their experiences, I shouldn't have said anything out of respect.

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You're not the only person in this thread to have chimed in with a criticism or two, but "Fates are interesting? This post depresses me more than anything" isn't exactly a constructive, opening salvo.

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Originally Posted by Valence

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At 5.55, getting 20+ people to opt into a duel was as common as winning the Cactpot. Not to mention that, even if that were the case, you would bank the notoriety with ease with the duels you didn't want to do. The pool of people looking to enter the duel was slim by the time Notoriety came in because chances are many of the people looking to duel was after the notes and they eventually found them through RNG.

Golden chests have 50/50 chances of yielding several Offensive Logogramas in Pyros and guaranteed drop in Anemos. Given that Pyros was rarely full and, usually, a substantial part of the players in the instances were after NM for progression/weapon or getting the logs done. No, you wouldn't be fighting with "hundreds" of players. And, since most people would stay around the southern bunny fate, you could simply get a group and go for the northern FATE, far less populated, for even better chances. And given you only needed 6 logograms (3 being Skirmisher) and getting one drop yielded 5-11, you were, more likely that not, set with one chest (or two, if very unlucky). All in all, getting all the Logos Actions unlocked was nowhere as ghastly as you make it out to be.

And if wiping a couple times on the first boss would warrant calling CLL midcore, you might as well include Ivalice and Nier because I sure have seen wipes there too. Again, only the flexible player setup and the holster made the difference between CLL/Dal and a hard enough ARs. Getting new tells for AoE doesn't mean the raid is suddenly any harder than an AR or noticeably any different.

No, I can't take some feedback seriously when the trend is that, whenever a a new Field Operation goes out dead on arrival because, go figures, people figure they do have the daunting task of grinding. And if you truly went through Diadem, Eureka and Bozja, you would know that's literally how it goes with the vast majority Field Operations feedback. There is no credibility to be taken from people who clearly get opinionated at the first sight of grinding then refuse to dive any further or actually understand how it worksso... yeah, it's not really hard to see why they should just not play that kind of content (which is completely optional to begin with, a with most things in FFXIV: anyone can set themselves to do the content they like and leave the rest to the side) when they already abhor it at surface level. So, no, I would rather listen veterans who, unlike the former group, they actually spent the time to go throught the ropes than someone who can equate CE's to a Trial boss but struggles to put CLL and AR in the same group, which hardly instills any confidence on how they've "fully" engaged the content. Even less if they admit to not have actually played a duel yet still feels having a strong opinion on it.

And if my previous experiences with MMO and other games is anything to go by, listening to people who only touches on the basic (your statements don't really give me much assurance on you doing much beyond finishing Dalriada, no), if at all, ends better than just paying attention to what the people who are dedicated to it. But it's clear you won't be convinced, even when I'm having to correct your statements about how things Eureka and Bozja as someone who also played through them. At this point, it's pointless to add any more.

I genuinely have zero problem if people actually don’t like field content. No content is going to appeal to everyone

But when you run between the 3 most common spawning fates in Zadnor zone 3, never use an essence/lost action that isn’t bubble or protect and leave the second you clear dal with zero other engagement in the zone it’s kinda hard to take things seriously because you are functionally doing 1% of the content then judging everything off that

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

The one thing I don't like about Bozja is that it's an instance so you can't grind it while you queue for other stuff. But it's a neat thing by itself. I enjoy.

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I think not being able to queue for other content while in Bozja is a good thing because pretty much everything you can queue for through duty finder is boring and bad. Even the "improved" Dawntrail dungeons aren't much better.

Would be nice to have party finder access though.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

Which would entail what, exactly?

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Engagement. Do people actually like spamming fates?

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

At 5.55, getting 20+ people to opt into a duel was as common as winning the Cactpot. Not to mention that, even if that were the case, you would bank the notoriety with ease with the duels you didn't want to do. The pool of people looking to enter the duel was slim by the time Notoriety came in because chances are many of the people looking to duel was after the notes and they eventually found them through RNG.

Golden chests have 50/50 chances of yielding several Offensive Logogramas in Pyros and guaranteed drop in Anemos. Given that Pyros was rarely full and, usually, a substantial part of the players in the instances were after NM for progression/weapon or getting the logs done. No, you wouldn't be fighting with "hundreds" of players. And, since most people would stay around the southern bunny fate, you could simply get a group and go for the northern FATE, far less populated, for even better chances. And given you only needed 6 logograms (3 being Skirmisher) and getting one drop yielded 5-11, you were, more likely that not, set with one chest (or two, if very unlucky). All in all, getting all the Logos Actions unlocked was nowhere as ghastly as you make it out to be.

And if wiping a couple times on the first boss would warrant calling CLL midcore, you might as well include Ivalice and Nier because I sure have seen wipes there too. Again, only the flexible player setup and the holster made the difference between CLL/Dal and a hard enough ARs. Getting new tells for AoE doesn't mean the raid is suddenly any harder than an AR or noticeably any different.

No, I can't take some feedback seriously when the trend is that, whenever a a new Field Operation goes out dead on arrival because, go figures, people figure they do have the daunting task of grinding. And if you truly went through Diadem, Eureka and Bozja, you would know that's literally how it goes with the vast majority Field Operations feedback. There is no credibility to be taken from people who clearly get opinionated at the first sight of grinding then refuse to dive any further or actually understand how it worksso... yeah, it's not really hard to see why they should just not play that kind of content (which is completely optional to begin with, a with most things in FFXIV: anyone can set themselves to do the content they like and leave the rest to the side) when they already abhor it at surface level. So, no, I would rather listen veterans who, unlike the former group, they actually spent the time to go throught the ropes than someone who can equate CE's to a Trial boss but struggles to put CLL and AR in the same group, which hardly instills any confidence on how they've "fully" engaged the content. Even less if they admit to not have actually played a duel yet still feels having a strong opinion on it.

And if my previous experiences with MMO and other games is anything to go by, listening to people who only touches on the basic (your statements don't really give me much assurance on you doing much beyond finishing Dalriada, no), if at all, ends better than just paying attention to what the people who are dedicated to it. But it's clear you won't be convinced, even when I'm having to correct your statements about how things Eureka and Bozja as someone who also played through them. At this point, it's pointless to add any more.

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Nice series of strawmen. Why do you think I'm against "grinding" or engaging into content, by your definition, in a relatively midcore/hardcore fashion, is beyond me by now, especially since I've stated many times I'm ready to engage into repeatable content if it proves engaging. I literally wrote that I did some duels early on when it was still possible to get in. I've farmed CLL, Delubrum and Dalriada for many runs. I think you're missing the point on purpose, considering the tangents you're ready to get into and the straws you're willing to grasp at instead of addressing the actual points.

Stop misconstruing my experience with frankly batshit takes. I could also make up lies about your own person as a player as I go, but out of base decency I'm not. Why are you doing this? At this point it truly feels like you're butthurt because I just don't have the same experience nor appreciation than you do in spite of actually having played through most of this content (only exception? DRS).

I have gone through it all at release. What your comments make me think is that you actually went through the content after the fact and not at release seeing your own experience on bunny fates and duels. One of us is clearly being delusional or misremembers.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

But when you run between the 3 most common spawning fates in Zadnor zone 3, never use an essence/lost action that isn’t bubble or protect and leave the second you clear dal with zero other engagement in the zone it’s kinda hard to take things seriously because you are functionally doing 1% of the content then judging everything off that

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I mean, maybe I've missed some fundamental gameplay, who knows? What did I miss? Because I sure did more than what you just described.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Engagement. Do people actually like spamming fates?

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Yes? I mean, sometimes that's exactly what I'm in the mood for.

Sometimes... I don't want to study up on some fight. I don't want to bang my head against "prog" and "Party Finder" and "Discord." I don't want to resurrect my Ph.D. in "Encounter du Jour."

I just want to do {A Thing} that allows me to make progress towards {Some Other Thing} while {Enjoying a Beverage with Jerolt}.

It needs to be stated that as much as "farming FATEs" is brainless, it's also exactly what people want sometimes, sitting around, vibing, shooting the shit in chat, sometimes it's all someone needs after a long day at work, or even during a day off when you just want to get caught up on some podcasts or videos if you have a second monitor, there is a lot of room for chill-yet-time-intensive content.

I feel like more people would realize they enjoy Bozja if the team did a better job communicating it in the game. I'm not even sure if Explatory Zones are explained anywhere in game directly as a concept, rather than a Shakespearean odyssey by some NPC.

It was fun until I realized it was just over-glorified FATEs for the core content. Beyond a certain point it just loses its novelty factor and then you see the core of that content for what it is.

After going back in Bozja and Eureka recently for an alt, I must say I enjoy Eureka more... Everything in Bozja just dies too quickly for it to actually be a fun experience. If I'm in Bozja, then the chances are it's because I am multitasking.