Terrified the devs are going to double down on Wuk Lamat and make her a Scion!

Look, I don't downright hate Wuk Lumat, but she certainly didn't win me over, either. I see a lot of folks hoping that after 7.3, they pivot away from her and fast. Still, I also worry, knowing the outspoken history of the VA Sena Bryer and the framing that all criticism is an attack on the VA, that SE, for optics reasons, doubles down on this character and makes her a Scion.

And somehow, I see plausibility in that, with Wuk Lamat's adventurous nature and desire to always help people, she could be a fit within the ranks. Plus, Kona has more leadership qualities than she does, so he could hold down the fort in Tural.

I think I'd quit.

Talk to wuk lamat first quest in 7.1 says a lot

She is a leader of a country. Essentially she is Lyse 2.0 and will most likely not join the scions unless she steps down.

They won't double down. Wuk Lamat is a city state leader ie. she will stay in the New World mostly and therefore won't be following us around to where we go next.

Do we talk to other city state leaders that much? Not really. Once in a blue moon.

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I see plausibility in that, with Wuk Lamat's adventurous nature and desire to always help people, she could be a fit within the ranks.

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I actually wanted to see her as a Scion when we started the MSQ, but as I said, she is a city state leader now. So let's just move on.

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Originally Posted by Derio

She is a leader of a country. Essentially she is Lyse 2.0 and will most likely not join the scions unless she steps down.

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Right. Aymeric didn't become a Scion. Hien didn't become a Scion. Vtra didn't become a Scion (haha.) Even Zero didn't become a Scion.

Lyse stopped being a Scion when she took over leadership of Ala Mihgo.

City-State leaders have their own countries to deal with, and the Scions have to travel the world to take care of stuff in other places.

G'raha was an exception, because he was a Student of Baldesion, and they ended up having to merge with the Scions after the Isle of Val got Eureka'd. And his time as Crystal Exarch on the First was over, so he left the Crystarium to Lyna.

He and Krile were the only two Students left. Not really much of an order. So, well, they're Scions now.

I don't see it likely and the image we saw in the LL, they were in Sunperch which is where I would expect them to be as city state leaders. It's possible one or both of them come to Alexandria with us in that arc even if we didn't see them there, but it's not likely Wuk can just give up her position to go haring off on adventures. She has responsibilities.

The obsession still rages I see.

you all forget about vice president koana?
jarjar has an escape clause to come with us.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Look, I don't downright hate Wuk Lumat, but she certainly didn't win me over, either. I see a lot of folks hoping that after 7.3, they pivot away from her and fast. Still, I also worry, knowing the outspoken history of the VA Sena Bryer and the framing that all criticism is an attack on the VA, that SE, for optics reasons, doubles down on this character and makes her a Scion.

And somehow, I see plausibility in that, with Wuk Lamat's adventurous nature and desire to always help people, she could be a fit within the ranks. Plus, Kona has more leadership qualities than she does, so he could hold down the fort in Tural.

I think I'd quit.

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Good news. There's absolutely no chance that'll happen. It'd make as much sense as the Sultana becoming a Scion.

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Originally Posted by Astronema

you all forget about vice president koana?
jarjar has an escape clause to come with us.

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He's only the Vow of Reason and with their father it was established there also needs to be a Vow of Resolve. I don't think she'd be able to step away from that easily once she agreed to take the position on.

Wuk lamat future writing can be done better but I don't think they'll bother a lot.

So this is heavy speculation but seeing Bakool Ja Ja on the 7.1 art is weird. While the character is enjoyable, it's a surprise to see him getting a more important place in the patch.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be Wuk lamat but they saw the negative feedback and decided to have Bakool Ja Ja instead.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Wuk lamat future writing can be done better but I don't think they'll bother a lot.

So this is heavy speculation but seeing Bakool Ja Ja on the 7.1 art is weird. While the character is enjoyable, it's a surprise to see him getting a more important place in the patch.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be Wuk lamat but they saw the negative feedback and decided to have Bakool Ja Ja instead.

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Video game timelines are too long for such a quick turnaround.

It's more likely that he was always the next up to get a deep dive into character development.

Letting Wuk Lamat sit and bake a bit in the background is a good idea regardless.

Should would be a good Scion to be honest, she got the right qualities... it is everything else you need to worry about in this game if anything.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Should would be a good Scion to be honest, she got the right qualities... it is everything else you need to worry about in this game if anything.

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How so? All the scions are archons (minus the twins but they are child prodigies) and are near the top of their expertise. What does Wuk Lamat excell in?

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Originally Posted by Volgia

The obsession still rages I see.

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The Toxic positivy burns in your soul I see. Yes yes let it consume you

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

So this is heavy speculation but seeing Bakool Ja Ja on the 7.1 art is weird. While the character is enjoyable, it's a surprise to see him getting a more important place in the patch.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be Wuk lamat but they saw the negative feedback and decided to have Bakool Ja Ja instead.

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He's one of only two notable Mamool Ja to survive the MSQ, and the other one's a child. It was pretty much a given he'd be back.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

How so? All the scions are archons (minus the twins but they are child prodigies) and are near the top of their expertise. What does Wuk Lamat excell in?

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Fighting the beasts of the New World, such as Turali Vidraal. Her moment of growth was meant to be fighting Bakool Ja Ja, where she had to dig deep and not be a pushover which she kinda knew she was against him.

But anyway, I didn't so much want her as a scion, necessarily, but as a travel companion on the basis that it'd mean we wouldn't need to continue having the scions around, which some of us are tired of.

It's flat out not happening but with threads like these it'd be really funny if it were true

Honestly, even if it had been planned (which I highly doubt, btw) to make Wuk Lamat part of the WoL's entourage, knowing Square Enix, they won't after all this negative feedback, and I think Lamat suits better staying in Tural, lest she tries to bring us back and force us into that administrative position.
Lamat wanted to become Dawnservant. She has become Dawnservant. And once the last bits about Gulool Ja are resolved, her arc is finished, and there is nothing more to be done with her character.

Though it would be interesting if we could bring Bakool Ja Ja with us in the future :think:

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Should would be a good Scion to be honest, she got the right qualities... it is everything else you need to worry about in this game if anything.

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It's easy to forgot that the Scion are all Ph.D and/or top expert of their field, not just a circle of goodie two shoes. It's actually a rare instance in gaming (especially in JRPG) where the good guys actually have some serious teeth, and not just a random gathering of hobo making stuff happen with the power of friendship. If anything Wuk Lamat is a throw back of that overused and tiring trope and no wonder why it doesn't looks right.

So unless you need someone to eat taco or someone who possess primal-tier level of tempering others into joining cheer-leading squad, Wuk Lamat doesn't fit.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

How so? All the scions are archons (minus the twins but they are child prodigies) and are near the top of their expertise. What does Wuk Lamat excell in?

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Not quite on the first part. The Scion of seven dawns is a combination of the Circle of Knowing led by Louisoix and Path of the Twelve led by Milfina. The Archon are the half that make up the scion but they have non Sharyan-related members as well.

But ever since after the Walking Sand massacre (that I think killed off most of the original Path of the Twelve members), they have been very strict about new member.

- Alphinaud actually did finished his Archon thesis (the youngest who did so), it's just between all that happen he never officially conferred it. But consider the fact he was nominated to charter the constitution of the Company of Eorzia, he's probably the top diplomat in the world.

- Alise is the main person responsible for finding the cure to tempering.

- Estinien is an ex-Azure Dragoon.

- Tataru can go toe to toe with members of the syndicate and run a freaking business enterprise. She's like a female version of Totorito but on our side.

- Riol was an ex-Companies of Hero, one of the few non-echo group that can take down primal prior to the rise of the WoL.

- Arenvald probably is the lowest one on the power meter, but even him is a capable echo warrior who can go toe to toe with primal being during the EW crisis.

Comparing to them, WL is like a highschool graduate standing next to an NASA engineer.


Also, I think one of the most important requirement to become a Scion is you have to be strictly neutral because their mission is to safeguarding the entire star, not interests of nations. That's why Lyse had to leave the Scion when she decided to join the Ala Mihgo resistance. There is no way a head of state can become a Scion because that'll be a massive conflict of interest.

Honestly she doesn't bother me any more than the Mary Sue that ended up being Krile.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Honestly she doesn't bother me any more than the Mary Sue that ended up being Krile.

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Mary Sue? More like Mary-where-are-you? They barely got any screentime.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Mary Sue? More like Mary-where-are-you? They barely got any screentime.

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She ended up being the super secret special child of the super important people from the realm we happen to be going to have the super special earing with the data we also just happened to need. Not to mention she has the painter job which they seem determined to make the most powerful of all jobs to ensure it is played.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

She ended up being the super secret special child of the super important people from the realm we happen to be going to have the super special earing with the data we also just happened to need. Not to mention she has the painter job which they seem determined to make the most powerful of all jobs to ensure it is played.

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Yeah, and we got that "super special secret reveal" way late into the game where it was barely a footnote before we moved on, and she didn't even get to use her super special earring, she had to give it to the damn mamool ja kid to use (it was such a slap in the face to her cool moment that I actually just laughed out loud in shock when it happened, it was so ridiculous. She can't even use her own McGuffin!) I would not call that a Mary Sue by any stretch, and no matter what character they picked to be the Pictomancer poster child, I doubt that would have changed how the job played.

HMMM well. As others have said, I'm pretty sure being a leader means she can't be a scion. HOWEVER. I absolutely would NOT put it past them to still shoe-horn her into being a scion anyway. If they do that, then that will 100% show that the writing is irredeemably bad. There's still room right now for some to be on the fence, but if they did that, I feel like even the most stubborn fence sitter would have to come down to the ground and admit that the story is free-falling, and no one writing anything for this game truly cares anymore.

If wuk becomes a scion, I would just leave a terrible review and then proceed to skip all story from that point forward until they fired the current writers and hired entirely new ones or brought back ones that previously did a great job and had nothing to do with any of Dawntrail's creation.

She'll be around until 7.3, then the plot will move on to setting up 8.0 and she'll stay behind, only showing up once in a while to remind us that Tural exists. Maybe she can go hang out with Hien in the "shows up to Eorzean Alliance meetings despite not actually being from Eorzea" corner.

Leaders don't end up becoming Scions. Only exception is Lyse, and even then that's only because she was a Scion before getting involved in the events of Stormblood. After the MSQ has wrapped up for the area, Wuk will follow the same path as all young leaders before her (Aymeric, Hien, etc) and be forced to focus her attentions on solidifying that peace she loves to talk about so much by doing her job in her region.

On a similar topic, even if she somehow wasn't leader anymore, I feel like she wouldn't really be up-to-snuff to be a Scion if we're following the game itself. In general Scions are very knowledgeable in their respective fields and have unique abilities/distinctions that set them apart from everyone else. Wuk doesn't qualify for this, she's just your more-energetic-than-average person with no particularly unique knowledge (she barely had knowledge of her own homeland). Lyse was kind of on the low end of that meter (and also always paired with Papalymo) and feel like she basically just snuck into the Scions by literally posing as her sister.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

She'll be around until 7.3, then the plot will move on to setting up 8.0 and she'll stay behind, only showing up once in a while to remind us that Tural exists. Maybe she can go hang out with Hien in the "shows up to Eorzean Alliance meetings despite not actually being from Eorzea" corner.

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Hien, who could really be doing something about the sex trafficking in his nation that caused the creation of someone like Yotsuyu but would rather hang out at the cool kids' table.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Honestly she doesn't bother me any more than the Mary Sue that ended up being Krile.

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How is a character that hardly got any screentime considered a mary sue but wuk lamat who hogged 90% of the screentime not a mary sue. I don't see how krile was the "poster child" of dawntail. Krile was relegated to being seen in the background and when she had a chance to shine wuk lamat stole the spotlight because all the attention needed to be on her.

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

Hien, who could really be doing something about the sex trafficking in his nation that caused the creation of someone like Yotsuyu but would rather hang out at the cool kids' table.

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And we would know from all of that time we've spent in Doma since Stormblood ended. That whole....one role quest.

They might, they do not take feedback into account. Its a very "mother knows best" structure here

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Originally Posted by Oizen

They might, they do not take feedback into account. Its a very "mother knows best" structure here

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Are you telling me you expecting she just vaporized and no further development between her people and Sphere's people?
I don't like her but the story need a finish.
I don't call this is double down but her arc need a closure.
Lyse is annoying but we wait until Stormblood ending for her arc, it is the same idea

Honestly, I'm sick of scions in general I don't want any of them anymore, I'm honestly tired of them all anyway they should have stayed dead at the end of Endwalker... all of them we should have no contact with them anymore and instead just be lone adventurers taking jobs for our reasons such as money and power....

Honestly im sick of us being viewed as heros and warriors of light the bitch is dead now we are nothing more than very powerful adventurers. just shove the scions into sub story lines that are purely optional for people who want them ive been tired of them since the only good one died at the end of heavensward

Doubt it. She's not even a Trust to level up.

No way she would join the Scions. She was already trying to draw the WoL away from the Scions to become one of her advisors.

Wuk Lamat is going to be another Hien and no more than that. There will be some more interaction with her as we get through 7.1 to 7.3. After that, we'll probably have as much interaction with her as we've had with Hien since Shadowbringers.

She'll get the Aymeric/Lyse/Zero treatment for sure. There's no reason for her (story-wise) to become an adventurer.

I be more worried about the trend that Zero started, of other character filling the role of main protagonist, continues. Wuk lamat is just a evolution (devolution, i guess) of Zero. They are trying to copy the way FF XI expansions were told, its always from the POV of a girl NPC and u are just there. I dont like that.

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Originally Posted by Talael

I be more worried about the trend that Zero started, of other character filling the role of main protagonist, continues. Wuk lamat is just a evolution (devolution, i guess) of Zero. They are trying to copy the way FF XI expansions were told, its always from the POV of a girl NPC and u are just there. I dont like that.

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That's how WoW did it and as much as I love Thrall and he was a great character, I got tired of just watching him do everything. It was a breath of fresh air to come to this game and be the focus, because it's allowed the sort of connection to the world and story I never really had with past MMOs.

Whatever the coming patch reveals was used to clone Zoraal will be used to give Wuk Lamat 6 clones, who will henceforth be your new trusts and MSQ companions forevermore.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Are you telling me you expecting she just vaporized and no further development between her people and Sphere's people?

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Yeah. I wanted her to die on her way back to her homeplanet

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

No way she would join the Scions. She was already trying to draw the WoL away from the Scions to become one of her advisors.

Wuk Lamat is going to be another Hien and no more than that. There will be some more interaction with her as we get through 7.1 to 7.3. After that, we'll probably have as much interaction with her as we've had with Hien since Shadowbringers.

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I wish she would have moved us from the Scions, they need a break.