MSQ Roulette needs to do away with the dungeons and focus on the story boss battles

The MSQ dungeons are just.... so boring. Not to mention that the cutscenes are UNSKIPPABLE... They need to be made into solo content.

Things like Ultima, the first battle against Ifrit, etc... those major story battles should be the MSQ Roulettes... this is just asinine. Long-winded for no reason. Everyone I know hates getting stuck in Prae lol. Just give the Prae XP bonus to Ultima and the like and get it over with already :/

The exp from that exists as a lure to get people to do it. If you don't want to deal with Prae, get your exp elsewhere.


It exists because people ruined the experiences of new players by rushing through and not allowing them to go at pace, hence the redo and unskippable cutscenes.

If you're of the opinion that they should just remove MSQ Roulette, then why not just...not queue for MSQ Roulette? You're not forced to do it. It's not like it's a daily requirement or your character gets deleted.

I don't like the lengthy cutscenes either, so I simply don't queue for it. I don't need that large lump of EXP that badly. But I do know there are new players out there that want an enjoyable experience when doing things for the first time and the Duty Support system is slow and boring as hell. (I also find Trusts to be more toxic than players because they force you to restart the fight if you mess up and die, where as other players will just res you and continue on).

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Originally Posted by Espon

If you're of the opinion that they should just remove MSQ Roulette, then why not just...not queue for MSQ Roulette? You're not forced to do it. It's not like it's a daily requirement or your character gets deleted.

I don't like the lengthy cutscenes either, so I simply don't queue for it. I don't need that large lump of EXP that badly. But I do know there are new players out there that want an enjoyable experience when doing things for the first time and the Duty Support system is slow and boring as hell. (I also find Trusts to be more toxic than players because they force you to restart the fight if you mess up and die, where as other players will just res you and continue on).

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They might be getting them in mentor rolo or something. (Just a guess.)

The way to fix dungeons is to make the non-boss portions more interesting. Make the trash packs more challenging and interesting like in WoW.

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Originally Posted by Gember

They might be getting them in mentor rolo or something. (Just a guess.)

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Mentor Roulette also gives you Extreme Trials that can take longer to clear than Praetorium and Guildhests that last all of 40 seconds. I'm sure there's many people out there that just want "Bockman Roulette" so they can quickly get the mount but that's not what that's there for.

They already redid them. They decided that they would remain dungeons. They also decided that they would maintain a unique roulette for them. But Praetorium is far shorter than it used to be - it used to be 1 hour whereas now it's only a bit longer than Castrum Meridianum.

Moreover, you don't need to do them ever again. You can simply avoid Main Scenario Roulette. You will occasionally get them in Mentor Roulette, but this only affects mentors doing that roulette, which is really a relative minority of players (including myself, by the way).

The bonus XP and tomestones are to compensate for the additional time it takes to clear those duties because of the cutscenes, etc.

Don't do MSQ roulette if you don't like it. Do 2-3 dungeons appropriate to your level instead.

They really should make Prae, Castrum and Ultiman into solo instances. I like the bonus experience, however, I would rather see them get rid of the MSQ roulette altogether and split the experience off to the other roulettes.

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

They really should make Prae, Castrum and Ultiman into solo instances. I like the bonus experience, however, I would rather see them get rid of the MSQ roulette altogether and split the experience off to the other roulettes.

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Never going to happen

What do you mean - Praetorium is awesome.
Half of the ~17 minute run is in cutscenes, so I can kick back and vibe. And I get a lot of XP and tomes for it.

Its fine as it is, you dont have to do it. The high bonus and the roulette exist only to help people.

I really don't mind prae or castrum nowadays. They're pretty dull but at least I can watch something on youtube or whatever. Ultima Weapon though, I hate getting that. Far too long of a fight where you spend most of it mashing one or two buttons.

I like it as it is; it helps players complete the content in a group, and it's nice and relaxing to play if you're familiar with it. I also like it for getting out a class again that I haven't played in a long time and am rusty at, while still helping someone else cause it's chill enough.
That said, I've often thought it might be nice to include the late MSQ trials of the expansions+patches cause those can take forever to get a queue when you're just going through the story, and just when you really want to continue as a player cause the narrative tension is at its peak.
And it'd break up the monotony of the same few pieces for the roulette players, too. The majority of instances would probably still be the ARR ones.

Msq roulette is there to fill for new players. They already trimmed it a lot and the massive rewards you get are for having to view the cutscenes. Do people think if the roulette was ifrit and titan the rewards would still be there?

You fundamentally don't understand the purpose of roulettes. They aren't meant to be content and XP for high-level players. They are meant to fill parties for lower level players doing MSQ. The XP is merely an incentive for higher level players who are leveling alts.

Even Expert roulettes are there to help fill parties for people doing the latest dungeons, and again tomestomes are merely an incentive

I don't mind the existence of the roulette much if it's for the sole purpose of helping new players.
However: Most of my Main Scenario roulettes, all 4 of us have done this before. 4 veteran players waiting and watching the cutscenes and listening to Gaius' speech really does not benefit any new player experience.

How hard is it to:
- lock bossrooms until everyone is out of cutscenes.
- if first time in dungeon, you can't skip cutscenes.
- if you've already done this, you can skip the cutscenes.

Results in the situation where if 4 players are just here for the roulette exp, and they all have done this content already, they can all skip and it unlocks the bossroom fast and get through it faster.
If 1 or more are newbies, then veteran players are not forced to watch the cutscenes, they can still skip but they are locked out of bossroom until newbies are done watching.

"but what if someone intentionally leaves because they couldn't do a fast run of prae without waiting for cutscenes? :( "
will probably be a non-issue.
But if it does become an issue, then add a system where upon returning to play, such leavers can't skip cutscenes next time they do main scenario roulette, even if veteran.

No thank don't need them to change anything else. Most I want them to do is make Crystal Tower raids part of it.

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

They really should make Prae, Castrum and Ultiman into solo instances. I like the bonus experience, however, I would rather see them get rid of the MSQ roulette altogether and split the experience off to the other roulettes.

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I genuinely think when they trimmed prae down recently to be 4 man they kinda ruined the spectacle of the whole thing. Turning it into a solo instance while keeping most of the parts of it intact would have been preferable, but I get not wanting to get rid of one of the most iconic multiplayer experiences in the game.
I think the best change they could have done for both prae and castrum is just let people skip cutscenes if there are no first-timers in the party. Like I can't count how many times I got MSQ roulette into a full party of people who are only doing it for roulette.

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Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai

"but what if someone intentionally leaves because they couldn't do a fast run of prae without waiting for cutscenes? :( "
will probably be a non-issue.
But if it does become an issue, then add a system where upon returning to play, such leavers can't skip cutscenes next time they do main scenario roulette, even if veteran.

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Just gonna slip in and point out the very reason the MSQ roulette exists is because people didn't want to wait for cutscenes. Even if it's four players who have already cleared the dungeon, the bonus rewards you get that are much greater than other roulettes is precisely because of the extra time involved due to cutscenes. Letting people all skip the cutscene to speed it up but still get the same reward is a big NO from me.

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Originally Posted by TheRealQuah

Msq roulette is there to fill for new players. They already trimmed it a lot and the massive rewards you get are for having to view the cutscenes. Do people think if the roulette was ifrit and titan the rewards would still be there?

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When was the last time you've actually been in an MSQ Roulette instance where there were first-timers?

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Originally Posted by LibitIncarne

When was the last time you've actually been in an MSQ Roulette instance where there were first-timers?

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Today.
There's new people running around EVERYWHERE on our server.

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Originally Posted by Baklavah

The MSQ dungeons are just.... so boring. Not to mention that the cutscenes are UNSKIPPABLE... They need to be made into solo content.

Things like Ultima, the first battle against Ifrit, etc... those major story battles should be the MSQ Roulettes... this is just asinine. Long-winded for no reason. Everyone I know hates getting stuck in Prae lol. Just give the Prae XP bonus to Ultima and the like and get it over with already :/

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I have a feeling the "focus on the story boss battle" is just your poor attempt at hiding the "I just want another quick, easy roulette with fat EXP". Common, say it, there is no shame in that since I'm pretty sure most people want it. But I think there is a little shame in pretending though.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Just gonna slip in and point out the very reason the MSQ roulette exists is because people didn't want to wait for cutscenes. Even if it's four players who have already cleared the dungeon, the bonus rewards you get that are much greater than other roulettes is precisely because of the extra time involved due to cutscenes. Letting people all skip the cutscene to speed it up but still get the same reward is a big NO from me.

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So you're literally saying: "haha you want experience and tomes? we'll bore you to death for it. That's the price. Take it or leave it. Deal with it."
I just prefer to say "nah screw that, this system sucks and whoever came up with it, sucks too."

Fine with making a dungeon last longer and adding in protection so new players can watch the cutscenes and others can't progress until new player is done watching, but if it's just 4 people who have heard Gayus' speech and sailor moon transformation a hundred times already, jesus man just let them skip and who cares if they get the tomes and experience much faster than before. It's such a silly take. There is literally no gameplay, nor enjoyment benefit to force 4 veteran players to watch the cutscenes again.
The extra stuff is as motivation to queue up so you can help any potential newbies who HAVE to do this dungeon. If there are no newbies, great, you get the rewards faster and you're motivated to do it again the next day. And if there are newbies, I don't mind waiting before a locked down bossroom at all, but also just let me skip, I don't see a benefit to have to watch the same damn cutscene I've seen a hundred times over already.

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Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai

So you're literally saying: "haha you want experience and tomes? we'll bore you to death for it. That's the price. Take it or leave it. Deal with it."
I just prefer to say "nah screw that, this system sucks and whoever came up with it, sucks too."

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The system exist primary as a way to keep old content alive across the board in case a new player need it, and the reward is provided as an incentive for you to chimp in, not an obligation.

You also act like as if it's the only way you can get EXP and tome. If you want tome, go hunt and you have more than what you know to do with. You want "engaging and fat EXP" at the same time? I heard Algia and Copied factory is very lucrative right now.


This is like seeing people who being offered reward to help but want it to be all about them instead of the people they're supposed helping.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

The system exist primary as a way to keep old content alive across the board in case a new player need it, and the reward is provided as an incentive for you to chimp in, not an obligation.

You also act like as if it's the only way you can get EXP and tome. If you want tome, go hunt and you have more than what you know to do with. You want "engaging and fat EXP" at the same time? I heard Algia and Copied factory is very lucrative right now.


This is like seeing people who being offered reward to help but want it to be all about them instead of the people they're supposed helping.

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And you completely ignore the paragraph after it to intentionally miss the nuance. Good job.
I'm more than willing to sit through a slower main scenario dungeon because a new player is watching cutscenes. And I'm sure most of us are like that.
But I find it a waste of my time, as well as the time of 3 others, if all 4 of us are veterans who queued up for this content for the sake of helping newbies to get through main scenario but instead all 4 of us have to sit through 30 minutes of drivel which does NOT help a newbie. In which case you CAN, logically, just give the rewards and let us out because the primary purpose of helping newbies is not applicable for this run.

I'm happy how the MSQ Roulettes are, if you don't like them don't do them no one is forcing you to do it.

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Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai

And you completely ignore the paragraph after it to intentionally miss the nuance. Good job.
I'm more than willing to sit through a slower main scenario dungeon because a new player is watching cutscenes. And I'm sure most of us are like that.
But I find it a waste of my time, as well as the time of 3 others, if all 4 of us are veterans who queued up for this content for the sake of helping newbies to get through main scenario but instead all 4 of us have to sit through 30 minutes of drivel which does NOT help a newbie. In which case you CAN, logically, just give the rewards and let us out because the primary purpose of helping newbies is not applicable for this run.

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I'd say it's a way to keep it fair....but I kinda wonder, how much time did players waste in total on MSQ roul... I mean after the first time, it is actually a waste to keep running it even if the exp/rewards are lucritive. I wonder if someone would get the tinfoil out.

On the other hand...I stopped running msq roul once I hit the level cap, I might run it if I'm desperate to cap on tomestones, and maybe help someone in NN if they ask but I'd never expose myself to it.

I personally don't mind it, granted they don't ever add more unskippable cutscenes in dungeons anymore...it's a relic of the past and I do enjoy chatting when the cutscene is happening if the party is nice. I met a few people like that....

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Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai

But I find it a waste of my time, as well as the time of 3 others, if all 4 of us are veterans who queued up for this content for the sake of helping newbies to get through main scenario but instead all 4 of us have to sit through 30 minutes of drivel which does NOT help a newbie. In which case you CAN, logically, just give the rewards and let us out because the primary purpose of helping newbies is not applicable for this run.

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People queue for the tomes/xp, not to help new ppl. Sometimes there are new people but most runs do not and you can’t queue expecting it. I do the MSQ roulette on jobs I don’t like for the XP. I don’t mind the cutscenes, it’s usually the last thing I do before logging off if I have time. I just get a drink and watch something on my other monitor during cutscenes. MSQ roulette is entirely optional.

I get sprouts in the roulette on the reg. Usually during peak hours and especially on new worlds.
If you want to make the most of the MSQ roulette experience and help sprouts, jump over to Dynamis or the OCE DC and help those queue times.

Edit: Or whatever DC is new in your region

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Originally Posted by Rueby

I do enjoy chatting when the cutscene is happening if the party is nice. I met a few people like that....

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Same. If there are no sprouts then I'll usually meme on the cutscenes, ask where people are up to/what they think of current stuff and just chitchat. If it's a quiet group then I'll have a YT video on the side.

Fun fact, if you go watch the cut scenes in the Unending Journey in an inn room, they're still unskippable.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Fun fact, if you go watch the cut scenes in the Unending Journey in an inn room, they're still unskippable.

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Wait...for real? Lmao

I miss 8 man prae, was super long but the funny shenanigans with 8 people can be super entertaining. Unpopular opinion for sure but hey I just enjoy funny antics sometimes. The tome and EXP earned was a good trade imo. Somewhat sad new players will never get to experience old prae or the hardest fight ever conceived, "cape westwind" in it's "prime".

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Originally Posted by Arrius

What do you mean - Praetorium is awesome.
Half of the ~17 minute run is in cutscenes, so I can kick back and vibe. And I get a lot of XP and tomes for it.

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Honestly, I love having a bathroom break in the middle of a dungeon! Or a snack break. Or whatever, really.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Wait...for real? Lmao

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Yep. Pick one and try it out if you don't believe me. I think either the intro to Castrum or the scene after the fight with Nero are the shortest.

Although, oddly, the outro scenes and the intro to the first part of the Ultima Weapon fight are skippable. The outros, I suppose, are so people can just head out after the dungeon's done, but the Ultima intro is a random choice. Maybe they thought about keeping it at eight players and moving it into the trial roulette like the later end-of-expac bosses? I dunno, pure speculation.

They're also unskippable if you unsync, but that's less surprising.

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Originally Posted by Slayer25c

Never going to happen

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That's because there are too many people out there who think it's okay to have huge time wasters. Sure, you get good EXP. I'm forced to do MSQ Roulette to get the extra XP I need to level things. It takes 40 minutes for Prae if you're slow, 30 if people are adept at their level 50 rotations. It's just so long... That's all I'm getting at. But there are too many people who go "If YoU dOn'T lIkE iT, dOn'T qUeUe FoR iT!" Because THAT solves the problem... *rolls eyes*

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Originally Posted by Baklavah

That's because there are too many people out there who think it's okay to have huge time wasters. Sure, you get good EXP. I'm forced to do MSQ Roulette to get the extra XP I need to level things. It takes 40 minutes for Prae if you're slow, 30 if people are adept at their level 50 rotations. It's just so long... That's all I'm getting at. But there are too many people who go "If YoU dOn'T lIkE iT, dOn'T qUeUe FoR iT!" Because THAT solves the problem... *rolls eyes*

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If they take out the cutscenes then they'll also take out the big chunk of EXP you get for it. At which point, why would you bother to queue for it?

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Originally Posted by Baklavah

That's because there are too many people out there who think it's okay to have huge time wasters. Sure, you get good EXP. I'm forced to do MSQ Roulette to get the extra XP I need to level things. It takes 40 minutes for Prae if you're slow, 30 if people are adept at their level 50 rotations. It's just so long... That's all I'm getting at. But there are too many people who go "If YoU dOn'T lIkE iT, dOn'T qUeUe FoR iT!" Because THAT solves the problem... *rolls eyes*

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actually, it does actually solve the problem. the chunk of exp you get is recompense for your time.

if you dont like the cutscenes, you have exactly one option.. dont queue. its really that simple. if you want the basically free exp and tomes, well, then thats entirely your call. there are plenty of other ways to get both tomes and exp without having to whine about it. may want to look into those.

also, havent seen a Prae that long since it was 8 person content. these days is fast and quick, maybe half hour tops, and its not always the best groups either/ never seen a 40 minute run on the new ones... ever....