The new raid tier is awesome!

The visuals, music, and most importantly gameplay are all S-tier. As a big fighting game fan I enjoyed what seemed to be a few subtle references to the genre as well. Very much looking forward to Savage after mostly skipping it in Endwalker due to giant hitboxes and other design decisions I didn't care for.

Well done, devs! :D

Not impressed by the appearances of the gear at all (honestly, I think they are some of the worst I've ever seen) but I do hope the raids are at least fun. Haven't actually hopped into it yet.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Not impressed by the appearances of the gear at all (honestly, I think they are some of the worst I've ever seen) but I do hope the raids are at least fun. Haven't actually hopped into it yet.

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Raids are awesome but I disagree the armor looks amazing too.. about time we got some more male outfits that show off skin.. looks really good on us Cat dads

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Raids are awesome but I disagree the armor looks amazing too.. about time we got some more male outfits that show off skin.. looks really good on us Cat dads

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To each their own. I'm just not a fan.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Not impressed by the appearances of the gear at all (honestly, I think they are some of the worst I've ever seen) but I do hope the raids are at least fun. Haven't actually hopped into it yet.

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I found the fights very fun. I thought the first two were spicier than the last two which was interesting, but I doubt that will be the case in savage.

I can see how the gear won't be everyone's cup of tea since it goes for more of a harsh aesthetic, but I like it. I do think the dyeable versions may increase the appeal for some of the people who don't care for the sets now.

LOL the gear is fine although when I seen the ring in the patch notes I was expecting gear like legion of doom (road warriors) or Ultimate warrior.

Agreed! I had so much fun during these fights it's single handedly carrying this expansion for me LOL. The gear is... well, I don't like it LOL. They look like they're clearly inspired by wrestling and I can appreciate the idea. However, yes, so incredibly fun - it really looks like the devs went all out! I can't wait to do them more, and that last fight is by far my favorite in the entire game. I want to be an electrope mage D:

They really knocked it out of the park with the music. I'm not usually someone who likes "cute" things but I've had the song from the second fight stuck in my head all day. The song from the last fight is a banger as well!

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Not impressed by the appearances of the gear at all (honestly, I think they are some of the worst I've ever seen) but I do hope the raids are at least fun. Haven't actually hopped into it yet.

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Raid gear does kinda look meh... But I glam my stuff regardless so it doesn't have to look all that great. (I'm sure some folk really like it)

But the music, the story are top notch and the boss mechanics on normal are very quirky and fun. I quite enjoy it.

Savage is gonna be interesting what changes and what gets dialed up to 11.

The fights are really good but I'm also glad that the arena changes for each fight.

hard disagree, the music is childish and grating from m2/m4, the snapshots are worse than ever. the theme is repulsive in m2. i like the idea of the battle arena with the crowd and the commentary etc is all a neat idea, but the visual aesthetic for it all is way too extra and again, childish. and being forced to do it, or be weak and die to every other aoe is a bit of a slap in the face

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Originally Posted by 1313

hard disagree, the music is childish and grating from m2/m4, the snapshots are worse than ever. the theme is repulsive in m2. i like the idea of the battle arena with the crowd and the commentary etc is all a neat idea, but the visual aesthetic for it all is way too extra and again, childish. and being forced to do it, or be weak and die to every other aoe is a bit of a slap in the face

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Me when I'm a joyless person

Not fan of the armor, the music is kinda alright other than that, the bosses were cool as hell

I haven't done the fights yet but this is one of the few 8 man raid sets I actually want for glam.

The fights are ok actually designed well you can learn the fights by doing them blind and instantly know what to do. The storyline was kind of like what if the WoL joined the WWE. Seems like there is no high stakes. But this is the vacation expansion after all.

The first fight felt a little undertuned if anything but that's probably a good thing for the first raid fight of the expansion. Mechanics very intuitive (assuming someone isn't completely new to the game using a boosted character), damage taken for failure forgiving.

The second fight will feel better when players have had a chance to gear up a little and are more used to the mechanics. The fourth fight felt like it got normal difficulty spot on.

The third fight is a mess. That felt more midcore than normal. I think it's going to destroy interest in continuing the raid series for a lot of players that usually would do normal at least for the story.

The aesthetic is not my thing. Most of the music is not my thing.

The story is definitely not my thing and it's left me debating if I want to bother with the rest of the raid when it gets released later in the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The third fight is a mess. That felt more midcore than normal. I think it's going to destroy interest in continuing the raid series for a lot of players that usually would do normal at least for the story.

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Really? I thought that was the easiest out of all of them by far. You just dodge his half room cleaves and stand on bombs with longer fuses. That's pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Really? I thought that was the easiest out of all of them by far. You just dodge his half room cleaves and stand on bombs with longer fuses. That's pretty much it.

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The third was definitely the easiest.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The first fight felt a little undertuned if anything but that's probably a good thing for the first raid fight of the expansion. Mechanics very intuitive (assuming someone isn't completely new to the game using a boosted character), damage taken for failure forgiving.

The second fight will feel better when players have had a chance to gear up a little and are more used to the mechanics. The fourth fight felt like it got normal difficulty spot on.

The third fight is a mess. That felt more midcore than normal. I think it's going to destroy interest in continuing the raid series for a lot of players that usually would do normal at least for the story.

The aesthetic is not my thing. Most of the music is not my thing.

The story is definitely not my thing and it's left me debating if I want to bother with the rest of the raid when it gets released later in the expansion.

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The third was the easiest, but it's going to be challenging in Savage. I'm genuinely impressed with this raid series. I usually don't attempt Normal Raid on Patch Day, but I found it quite enjoyable. Hopefully, I might tackle Savage after completing all my orders.

The gear is ugly, music was hit and miss, combat was pretty good, story is absolutely terrible. I'd say it was just ok.

The second fight was extremely unfun and very frustrating as a protanopic-colorblind player. The soft pinks and reds of the AoE dodgefest bit are awful to try and see- literally snowblind- but it compounds with the colors of the floor and the entirety of the room besides.

I refuse to use the accessibility option to tune to one encounter (although I know it's there.)

Third fight was insanely simple (which was strange,) and fourth was simple after dying once to the optional floor superboss.

The gearsets are literal meh-tier to me. They're either uninspired alternatives to the gimp suit from level 96 questing gear or otherwise uninspired meh-whatever outfits to me.

That said: I rather enjoyed the opponents' transformed selves. Each of them looked neat.

Lastly: ahegao-ish face man made me laugh hard irl when it stilled the image.

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Originally Posted by 1313

hard disagree, the music is childish and grating from m2/m4, the snapshots are worse than ever. the theme is repulsive in m2. i like the idea of the battle arena with the crowd and the commentary etc is all a neat idea, but the visual aesthetic for it all is way too extra and again, childish. and being forced to do it, or be weak and die to every other aoe is a bit of a slap in the face

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The snapshots are identical to anything else in the game. I treat them just like how I treat them in savage/ultimate and have 0 issues. The hearts in the second fight are actually better feeling than the little guys in one of the recent expert dungeon that grab you. I was actually able to easily weave in and out of them without getting hit because their hitboxes feel much smaller.

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Originally Posted by Seymour_Rainecourt

The second fight was extremely unfun and very frustrating as a protanopic-colorblind player. The soft pinks and reds of the AoE dodgefest bit are awful to try and see- literally snowblind- but it compounds with the colors of the floor and the entirety of the room besides.

I refuse to use the accessibility option to tune to one encounter (although I know it's there.)

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Why do you refuse to use that accessibility option? Wouldn't it solve the issue?

I don't like the idea that someone who doesn't like Dawntrail or doesn't think the raids are all that is just "joyless" or not down for something casual.

People are acting like the other expansions were devoid of casual story moments or joy (no).

The second fight I do think is a bit overtuned for a normal raid. Especially with overlapping AOEs of the same pink color. There is fun chaos and then there is this. All the other fights are great though and even though i dont like the second fight. I like the asthetic and other mechanics outside of the love mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Derio

The second fight I do think is a bit overtuned for a normal raid. Especially with overlapping AOEs of the same pink color. There is fun chaos and then there is this. All the other fights are great though and even though i dont like the second fight. I like the asthetic and other mechanics outside of the love mechanic.

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I had a very bad physiological reaction to that fight last night to the point that I had to leave midfight and throw up. I was already feeling sick in the cutscene. I turned everything down, looked at a vid and then did the fight looking only at the elements I had to and it worked. Strangely, I now find this to be the easiest of all with no way of dying. The 4th fight with the lightning though is blinding no matter what I do and the snapshots on one of the mechanics don't pardon. That being said, SE should really be more careful with visual effects making people sick.

I am not a fan of the vulgar WWE like setting though and find it repulsive and uninspiring as a theme.

We did have gear in Endwalker that felt like it had the same silky cloth theme & color palette ongoing that you can mix & match them.
Like Asphodelos set <--> Aglaia set and Euphrosyne set <--> Anabaseios set

So not sure if that would have been some news.

I completely agree
- The mechanics are fresh and fun
- Just the right difficulty
- The arenas feel unique and distinct
- The music is awesome
- The story is okay and even has a fun WWE feeling to it

The only thing I dont like as much is the raid gear but thats a highly subjective component which I am not too bothered by

Previously, I felt like the gap between normal and savage difficulty was veryyyy high. Which discourages savage raiding.
With higher normal difficulty, I'm hoping they somewhat bridge the gap slightly more. Although I hope in future they ImPlement a third difficulty between savage and normal so savage doesn't seem that big a mountain to climb.
Nice, fights though

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Why do you refuse to use that accessibility option? Wouldn't it solve the issue?

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I'm sure it would definitely help, yeah. Just sucks that an official encounter isn't good for me on its own to work with. Also, having to use an accessibility option (not being forced, but having not too much recourse if I wanted to help myself) on its own sort of knocks at my pride/sensitivities. It's hard to word; also, this is just my own opinion when it comes to myself.

Admittedly terrible at the Raids themselves - hopefully will learn, but they're very fast-paced and I struggled/failed to react quickly enough for the majority of them.

Have to say though - honorable mention to the music. It's absolutely superb, and have to give them credit for making four unique tracks (although I'll concede that the 4th Raid's music has a leitmotiv of the first one, which makes perfect sense in context).

And speaking of M4 - 'Give it All' gave me goosebumps! Incredible track - an absolute banger! - and the lyrics kick ass too - particularly this part:
Look in my eyes, now know you'll understand
(Somebody Help, My misery is taking me )
Made up my mind, no there ain't no going back
(Somebody come, I'm losing what's left of me)

Made up my mind, now my heart's demanding
Ready to fight, till there's one left standing tonight, lightning will strike
<and when you fall>, you're gonna give it all to me

How can you not be hyped with music and lyrics like that?!

Love the fights, love the music, intrigued by the story, and I even ended up using the fending coat appearance because it has a nice punk look to it.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Why do you refuse to use that accessibility option? Wouldn't it solve the issue?

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I don't know about protanopic-colorblindness, but as a deuter colorblind person the "color blind settings" in FFXIV are a joke. They don't actually help with clear readability and the distinction of AoE/mechanic markers amongst floor coloring and background noise. They shift the ENTIRE color spectrum for the whole game and it doesn't help the actual problem. So not only does the game now look like shit because every single color has now shifted in tone, (for the Deuteranopia settings the game now looks washed out, and all color vibrancy is gone) but the problem of certain mechanic markers having a tonal difference too close to the surrounding environment isn't fixed at all. If SE were smart they'd let you specifically customize the color of AoE circles, etc.

Honestly, it's like whoever created their "accessibility settings" doesn't actually understand what color blindness is.

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Originally Posted by 1313

hard disagree, the music is childish and grating from m2/m4, the snapshots are worse than ever. the theme is repulsive in m2. i like the idea of the battle arena with the crowd and the commentary etc is all a neat idea, but the visual aesthetic for it all is way too extra and again, childish. and being forced to do it, or be weak and die to every other aoe is a bit of a slap in the face

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How are snapshots "worse"?
I am of the opposite opinion actually, I think it's good we have a bit of punishment for standing in AoE's, you're not supposed to sleepy on the raids, even if they're normal ones.

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Originally Posted by Ryaze

I don't know about protanopic-colorblindness, but as a deuter colorblind person the "color blind settings" in FFXIV are a joke. They don't actually help with clear readability and the distinction of AoE/mechanic markers amongst floor coloring and background noise. They shift the ENTIRE color spectrum for the whole game and it doesn't help the actual problem. So not only does the game now look like shit because every single color has now shifted in tone, (for the Deuteranopia settings the game now looks washed out, and all color vibrancy is gone) but the problem of certain mechanic markers having a tonal difference too close to the surrounding environment isn't fixed at all. If SE were smart they'd let you specifically customize the color of AoE circles, etc.

Honestly, it's like whoever created their "accessibility settings" doesn't actually understand what color blindness is.

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Oh I see. That makes sense.