New Shadow DC in the EU.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...36c73ad1bad7ba

Coming on Tuesday May 7th the DC will be added but not accessible. Should be interesting to see how this fills when they actually open it. Only 3 new worlds doesn't sound like it's going to reach a critical mass quick as a functioning DC.

I'm going to take this as confirmation that duty queues will become region-wide with the launch of Dawntrail. Otherwise, a datacenter with only 3 worlds will have issues queueing for 24 and 8-man content just as Dynamis has (despite it's worlds being well populated).

Unless this comes with a regional party finder, I doubt a lot of people will join there, stay there and play all the things there. From what I hear it's not as bad as in NA but just like everyone is DC travelling to Aether in NA, plenty of Chaos players seem to DC travel to Light nowadays. (I am playing on Light, so I have no first hand experience of things getting worse ofc.) Maybe opening it when or shortly before Dawntrail drops might give it a bit of a head start, who knows, but it will have a tough time developing a good stable player base over there.

It's main uses will be to dump congestion during content launches, to offer people a way to do extra hunt trains and S rank spawns and to be a new source of medium and large houses (if they even open the wards on these servers).

The biggest problem regards of servers is the login servercluster because there is only one login servercluster each DC. And if those servers get full then you get those long login queues. Adding a new DC will increase the login servercluster count from 2 to 3.

But i doubt, that 3 servers are healthy for a DC. But maybe they found a way to decouple the content queues from DCs.


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I don't really get it, if the reason is to ease congestion then what was the purpose of letting us DC travel to OCE, I don't think I need to tell you about how dead Chaos is already.
I'm just really confused about the purpose.

When you are on the edgy "Shadow" dc...but your server is called cute "Pixie".... hm

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Originally Posted by LillyWandsworth

I don't really get it, if the reason is to ease congestion then what was the purpose of letting us DC travel to OCE, I don't think I need to tell you about how dead Chaos is already.
I'm just really confused about the purpose.

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Its about easing inevitable super high expansion release congestion a lot more then it is about current over

As long as DC travel exists they will all be DOA.

Although it would be hilarious if the Innocence server became the new Balmung Quicksands.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

As long as DC travel exists they will all be DOA.

Although it would be hilarious if the Innocence server became the new Balmung Quicksands.

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Likely the Opposite.
Everyone knows, and they'd rather be "Sinners" rather than Enlightened like the character.
(Aka, probably just end up taking it too serious. Let alone be a RP server)

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As for my take on the whole thing, eh.

Seems like with how small it is, and how cramped EU looks at from a distance across the pond. It will probably fill nicely enough to have some Community, and likely in a healthier state than us here in NA. [Or the OCE who we pray for their relief]

They just wanted to complete the song "one brings Shadow one brings Light" lol

Most likely the first step of their planned DC expansion but only 3 servers to be ready for 7.0 I guess although I really hope they won't pick servers of existing DCs to Shadow to distribute the load evenly...

A cross DC duty finder would be rather nice though!

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Likely the Opposite.
Everyone knows, and they'd rather be "Sinners" rather than Enlightened like the character.
(Aka, probably just end up taking it too serious. Let alone be a RP server)

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As for my take on the whole thing, eh.

Seems like with how small it is, and how cramped EU looks at from a distance across the pond. It will probably fill nicely enough to have some Community, and likely in a healthier state than us here in NA. [Or the OCE who we pray for their relief]

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I am not sure about that. We're already seeing a serious dwindling in PF on the Chaos DC. The regional travel is doing work as well, it doesn't just happen on Dynamis. I could be wrong, but I can also totally see Shadow seeing the same issue, especially with only 3 servers.

They really have no choice but to add region-wide duty queues, as even without Shadow, the launch of Dawntrail will clog up the world hopping so going from Dynamis to Aether will go from 15-30 seconds currently to 1/2 hour or broken and to OCE almost as bad and you get a couple hundred extra milliseconds lag added there for new fights.
I can't imagine them adding a 3-world DC without that functionality ready to go at Dawntrail launch.

Glad they are doing this, will make login queues on expansion release much better! I don't mind living on the new DC for expansion launch. And I will be sure to make alts on the new DC.

normally i would say i create a new character there, but im really not a fan of serverhopping for duties. so i pass i guess

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

When you are on the edgy "Shadow" dc...but your server is called cute "Pixie".... hm

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Chaos and Moogle vibes

moogles are chaos though

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Originally Posted by Dagget

They really have no choice but to add region-wide duty queues, as even without Shadow, the launch of Dawntrail will clog up the world hopping so going from Dynamis to Aether will go from 15-30 seconds currently to 1/2 hour or broken and to OCE almost as bad and you get a couple hundred extra milliseconds lag added there for new fights.
I can't imagine them adding a 3-world DC without that functionality ready to go at Dawntrail launch.

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I can.

Duty Support exists. The only content in question would be the trials (we don't know if they've designed any of them for Duty Support this time) and PF is useful for those so you can join a group that needs the role you're using for MSQ.

What will be the big problem for launch content duty queues? Lack of healers (and possibly tanks).

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Originally Posted by Dagget

They really have no choice but to add region-wide duty queues, as even without Shadow, the launch of Dawntrail will clog up the world hopping so going from Dynamis to Aether will go from 15-30 seconds currently to 1/2 hour or broken

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Dynamis has plenty of people to do content without issue as confirmed by the player census. It's only a problem now because everyone thinks "Dynamis is dead" and spends all their time on other DCs, further fueling the self fulfilling prophecy. If DC travel ceases to function the problem will immediately resolve itself since it's entirely player created.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Dynamis has plenty of people to do content without issue as confirmed by the player census. It's only a problem now because everyone thinks "Dynamis is dead" and spends all their time on other DCs, further fueling the self fulfilling prophecy. If DC travel ceases to function the problem will immediately resolve itself since it's entirely player created.

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DC travel is not going anywhere, and it's baffling people think it will. All they have to do is enable cross-DC PF/DF and problem will also solve itself.

Hoo boy, what a waste of resources. They are going to be DOA.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

DC travel is not going anywhere, and it's baffling people think it will.

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I doubt DC travel going anywhere either unfortunately. The previous person was saying Dynamis wouldn't be able to do content without DC travel. My point was that Dynamis' issues would disappear the instant DC travel disappeared because there are plenty of people on that DC, they just never stick around. It was a hypothetical.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

All they have to do is enable cross-DC PF/DF and problem will also solve itself.

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By all indications that is massive technical hurdle that may not even be possible to achieve. The only tangible solutions at this time would be disabling DC travel entirely, disable PF while on other DCs, or the community collectively agreeing to stop creating its own problem. Of course the likelihood of any of those happening is pretty much zero. :p

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Hoo boy, what a waste of resources. They are going to be DOA.

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It's fine, it'll just become overflow housing for those who care enough while others complain they can't get their mansion but have no interest in moving. Same as Dynamis when it launched and still gets brought up today.

How nice of them to add a whole new datacenter exclusively for submarine farmers.

I would rather be on a quiet sever but that is just me but I am not going to give up my house to move.

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Originally Posted by Tethan

How nice of them to add a whole new datacenter exclusively for submarine farmers.

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Made me lol, but realistically submarine farmers have hundreds of houses to choose from on any EU server. The biggest benefits of Shadow housing are going to be the free-for-all mansions and best quality mediums, plus the ability to buy up a single ward and decorate it with a theme in mind.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Made me lol, but realistically submarine farmers have hundreds of houses to choose from on any EU server. The biggest benefits of Shadow housing are going to be the free-for-all mansions and best quality mediums, plus the ability to buy up a single ward and decorate it with a theme in mind.

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There's still so many mediums and smalls and the occasional large that pops up but because the housing snobs don't want them, they stay empty. Those same housing snobs will complain of housing scarcity because the houses that are available, the snobs are too good for.

There's a number of houses in ward 30 in The Goblet that are open. Come and see for yourselves. No? Ok, they stay empty.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

When you are on the edgy "Shadow" dc...but your server is called cute "Pixie".... hm

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The pixies in FFXIV are jerks so Shadow is a good place for them.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Made me lol, but realistically submarine farmers have hundreds of houses to choose from on any EU server. The biggest benefits of Shadow housing are going to be the free-for-all mansions and best quality mediums, plus the ability to buy up a single ward and decorate it with a theme in mind.

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Let's be real, only sub farmers with a billion alt accounts benefit. Real players will have to DC travel to Light to actually play the game, effectively locking them out of housing. Adding a new DC without having implemented regionwide DF/PF would be huge mistake that the game and playerbase would suffer from for years to come. I hope SE will see reason and address the issues before it is too late.

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Originally Posted by Tethan

only sub farmers with a billion alt accounts benefit

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PvP players too, those who play ranked. Only having 3 servers compete for it, means way less competition.
When Diadem had crafting rankings, some people traveled to the less populated ones, for easy rank 1-12 titles.
So everything that is limited, will be good. Though Hunting is gonna get robbed again by the big train lol

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

When you are on the edgy "Shadow" dc...but your server is called cute "Pixie".... hm

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"Be gay do crime"? :D

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Originally Posted by Dagget

I'm going to take this as confirmation that duty queues will become region-wide with the launch of Dawntrail. Otherwise, a datacenter with only 3 worlds will have issues queueing for 24 and 8-man content just as Dynamis has (despite it's worlds being well populated).

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he said in his interview with meoni that it is logistically impossible to merge the df and pf

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

he said in his interview with meoni that it is logistically impossible to merge the df and pf

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That's a bit short for a summary and leaving out some crucial details. He said it's impossible at the moment and the rework of the system in a way making this possible would take 2-3 years. They are however aware there is an issue with people travelling to a few DCs for content, leaving others empty, and they're trying to look into solutions that don't take 2-3 years. If they are implementing a short term solution while working at the "proper" one in the back until 8.0 was not mentioned, they have to ponder about this issue for a while and come up with a plan.

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Originally Posted by Minali

That's a bit short for a summary and leaving out some crucial details. He said it's impossible at the moment and the rework of the system in a way making this possible would take 2-3 years. They are however aware there is an issue with people travelling to a few DCs for content, leaving others empty, and they're trying to look into solutions that don't take 2-3 years. If they are implementing a short term solution while working at the "proper" one in the back until 8.0 was not mentioned, they have to ponder about this issue for a while and come up with a plan.

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One short term solution would be to disable cross DC travel until the implement those DF/PF changes no?

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

One short term solution would be to disable cross DC travel until the implement those DF/PF changes no?

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Technically, yes, but I guess people would riot because Square "rips apart their statics" or something...
That aside, with the upcoming expansion it is a good idea to have extra space for people to avoid congestion. That's why Shadow is being opened the way it is after all, and I suppose that's why they added new servers to Dynamis as well, despite the DC being fairly new. (My partner and I will certainly try hopping over to Shadow, should stuff get dire again.)

I could imagine them turning it off half a year or so after Dawntrail dropped though, when congestion is less of an issue. That said, I think this will be the last desperate step when nothing else works regardless. Media tour gave them some other ideas on how to handle it, like giving extra rewards or so for going to a specific DC and rotating or adding a bonus for queueing in your own DC or something. We'll have to wait and see what they'll come up with based on this.

Ya know...these new added worlds only make sense if the devs funnel new accounts into them

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Originally Posted by Dagget

I'm going to take this as confirmation that duty queues will become region-wide with the launch of Dawntrail. Otherwise, a datacenter with only 3 worlds will have issues queueing for 24 and 8-man content just as Dynamis has (despite it's worlds being well populated).

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Believe this has already been addressed and he said If They even worked on it it would be three years out