[Dawntrail] Benchmark Graphics Update - Roegadyn male, and female feedback

hi everyone. i'm korean server's roegadyn player. i have some opinion of new roegadyn face. please check it out and reply freely.

i played ffxiv almost 7 years as same femroe character. the new grapic update looks really decent in other character. but i really disappointed when i saw my charater in dawntrail benchmark.

first. this is my WOL character.




https://i.ibb.co/R2K6Wkh/5-1.jpg




and this is my feedback.




https://i.ibb.co/WPLDLtZ/IMG-0853.png




and this is my friend's male roegadyn character. this is worse than my case.




https://i.ibb.co/9nxHwRG/4.png




i don't think this is same character's image. here, i have screenshots of different angles and without face paint





https://i.ibb.co/QQpTQrw/2.png

https://i.ibb.co/h1mgtx4/1.png




and feedback from me and my friend. (we even had online meeting about this.)





https://i.ibb.co/d5rXSX2/image.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/f2rWNJM/image2.jpg




(Continued in the next post)

i also found some problem of male roegadyn's torso

there are some weird shadow line on his chest and upperarm.




https://i.ibb.co/z4p2yq5/12.png




and neck's body blushing is too strong in bright skin. it's look like face color and torso color are different.




https://i.ibb.co/wK2J3J0/image3.png




thanks to read this long feedback. me, and my friend hope we could meet our old WOL in updated grapic with pleasure.

Hello Roegadyn sister! I already have a thread with my complains for face 2 but I will quote it here as well;

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

After a few days to get over how upset I was over how different my character looked in the 7.0 benchmark, I decided to gather my thoughts and put that energy to make a thread of things that I hope the devs will look at while fine-tuning the Graphics update.

I play on PS4, gamma is set to 50% by default, with the same setting on the benchmark this is the results I got.

https://i.imgur.com/ZzS1duR.png

To say I was devastated is an understatement. I have 40 characters, 37 of them are face 2 Roegadyn, and no matter how I changed the options, I could not get my character to look right. And no, looking at her in the trailer did not help. The colors were still washed out and looked bad, and a lot of the features of Female Roegadyn have changed a lot and completely changed the impression of the face.

I took the time again to try with the beta set to 25% game and 0% and it helped a lot for the colors though everything still looks like it has a yellow/green/grey hue to it.

Though the colors are almost correct, a lot of features still look wrong.

So I took the time to point out some things that I think change the face too much.

https://i.imgur.com/iAsBCb9.jpg

I'm sure most people are probably not seeing many differences, but I look at this face almost everyday and to me it uncanny in a bad way.

https://i.imgur.com/cvt03WJ.jpg

1 & 2. You can see that the upper lips shape has been drastically changed. This is mouth option 1. In the 7.0 benchmark the lip has lost a lot of shape and definition.

3. This is eye option 1. While in the current game the lashes have a gentle slop down, they now slope up. It's not just for this eye option either. Every single eye option has lashes that slope up. This gives the face a much sharper look than before. The only eye option for face 2 that slops down a little is eye option 4, and those eyes are smaller and rounder.

All of the noses on face 2 look too round, too bulbous. The noses on the other faces don't look at bad, so I'm confused as to why all of the nose options on face 2 were made to look so different. There are already threads that complain about how they've lightened our nose ash smudge, so I'll leave those here;

Benchmark Graphics Update - Hellsguard Roegadyn (Smudgegate 2024)

Benchmark Feedback for Hellsguard Roe: Bring Back The Smudge

For mouth 1 They don't look as drastically changed from the front, though the lack of lip shine makes them look thinner overall, the lack of shade in the corner also changes the impression of the lips. None of the other options fair any better.

I don't feel like the profile view looks too different, and from above looks great too... but I do not look at my characters from this angle very often...

https://i.imgur.com/q5nxdeZ.png

And lastly, the cupids bow\philtrum.

This is much more noticeable on my darker skinned characters, but the philtrum ridge above the lips do not match up with the lip on any of the face options other than face 4. It looks bad in my opinion, it elongates the area between the nose and mouth and gives the impression of a chimpanzee muzzle.

I would like it if it matched the contour of the lip, I can't think of ever seeing a person where the cupids bow and lip were so mismatched.

I'd prefer none.

There is also already a thread with complaints about the change in our pupils so I'd like to point folks to that for feedback on that;

[Graphic Update Feedback] Female Roegadyn Eyes

That's all I have for now, I hope that the devs will consider these adjustments. I've been Roegadyn since 2013, I love my characters with all my heart and it's so heart-wrenching to look at them and to think that come Dawntrail I'll never get to enjoy the game with them.

Thanks for your consideration!

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I hope that your worries fixed for Dawntrail! I am also very sad that I might not get to take my old friend into Dawntrail, but I hope that the devs will hear us.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Hello Roegadyn sister! I already have a thread with my complains for face 2 but I will quote it here as well;



I hope that your worries fixed for Dawntrail! I am also very sad that I might not get to take my old friend into Dawntrail, but I hope that the devs will hear us.

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thanks! i saw your thread before but i thought reply should rely on femroe face 2. your feedback is really detaild and remarkable. our korean roegadyn players have many opinion and feedbacks but only global server player can make thread about it. thanks to roegadyn player like you, even we can't make our voice louder but not so nervous about new grapic update. stay strong sister!

안녕하세요! Thank you for your feedback thread. Your roe is beautiful and the obviously slimmed nose is very noticeable on your character. I have posted this on a couple of other threads but to compile roegadyn feedback here it is:

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Originally Posted by faiarrow

For the record:
Yes I have run the benchmark. I am aware the CC lighting is not 'the same' as the dynamic in-engine lighting. I can't get comparable side-by-side caps of Sko outside of the CC. The only thing the benchmark actually running showed me was that her skin is a touch warmer and more like her in-game and PS5 CC colouration, and that my concerns regarding other things are still quite valid.

https://i.postimg.cc/C1TzcYpP/theproblems1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/2yC3fw6n/theproblems2.png

The pros:

• Texture update generally seems to be OK - there are issues with the way hair blends into the forehead made by floating sections on certain racial styles and the new lighting engine shading under them so it makes it blatant they're floating, but that can be ironed out.
• Racial gear texture update is great.
• Hair might be OK with tweaks, the clasp at the back on this style has clearly not been updated yet as it is very poorly textured and looks flat.

The cons:

• I can live without the permanent catch light. I don't think the black pupils works on f!roegadyn after almost 10 years of seeing them with the coloured/jewel effect. Impacts lighter eyes especially.
• Rhinarium/ash/smudge being made so light in the new skin is a problem; the lighting engine will not magically make it darker. Removal of prominent racial specific traits like this erases identity and makes it hard to believe the intended PLL statement that our characters will simply 'look better.'
• Lips certainly aren't fantastic - the new facial bones have adjusted how the lips sit and they seem to be quite a bit smaller?
• Tattoos and face paints still being 256px is pretty jarring. I suspect this will be fixed in time but it's really awful in the benchmark.
• Angle of the new lashes seems to be heavily impacting the visual of the already problematic new eyes, shades them intensely and even in scenes where there should be more brightness to the eyes it makes them very dark.

The problem of streamlining the workflow for the update so that all human-like characters are stemmed from hyuran models is really starting to show, even within the hyur themselves seeing a lot of disparity between midlanders and highlanders. I know roegadyn are not exactly a beastial race compared to the likes of viera, or au'ra, but we're losing a lot of the galkan origins from the XI roots of this race with so much smoothing out.

Large images: Image 1 - Image 2

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I just thought I'd take the time to bring some of the Roegadyn critiques from the JP thread, please take the time to make sure you click the little arrows next to their name to go to the thread and give them an upvote!

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Originally Posted by okometabetai

初めてフォーラムへ投稿させていただきます。至らぬ点がございましたら申し訳ございません。
また、添付する参考画像につきまして1枚のみ現在版・ベンチマーク版と左右が異なる＆画質が荒くなってしまっていることをご了承ください。(わかりやすくする為に一部前髪のない画像にしています。)

ルガディンゼーヴォルフ♀2顔でプレイしております。
まずはベンチマーク実装ありがとうございます。
グラフィックアップデートにつきまして、既出の情報がほとんどではありますが記載させていただきますことをご容赦ください。
また、個人的な好みの問題になってしまう部分が多いかと思いますが、現状のお顔立ちをどうしてもなくしたくないため何卒宜しくお願い致します。

【鼻の形状について】
現在の形状が角ばっており、極端な言い方をすると長方形の立方体を付けたような鼻だと思っているのですが、そこがルガディンゼーヴォルフ♀の良さ・チャームポイントだと思っていました。
ベンチマークでは人間らしいリアルで自然な丸みのある鼻になっており、印象が柔らかく見えます。

【目について】
現在より目の大きさが小さくなっている・両目の間隔が広がっているように見えます。両目の幅が広がっていることにより、鼻を含むお顔立ちの印象も変わってきているのかもしれません。

【眉毛の濃さについて】
眉毛の毛量なのか色なのか不明ですが、現在よりベンチマークの方が薄いため、キリっとしたキツめな印象が薄れています。

【唇の形状・質感について】
唇の厚さと形(色がついている面積)が現在から変更になっており、お顔立ちの印象が変わってしまいました。他の唇の形を試したのですが今の印象に近づけることができません。
また、室内外問わず光加減によっては現在のような艶感がなくなり、完全にマットな仕上がりとなっているように見受けられます。
プリっとした艶の光が入っている現在の唇が好みです。

【お顔の肌について】
ルガディンならではの両頬のそばかすのような肌が顕著な印象です。現状のように強調されていない、肌馴染みしている程度のそばかす感にしたいです。

人間らしいリアルさ・自然さを表現したグラフィック改修という視点で見れば素晴らしいのですが、
現実的な形状よりも、良い意味で人間らしくないルガディンならではのファンタジーなお顔立ちのほうが好みのため、今の形状も選択できるように残していただければ大変嬉しく思います。
しかし、装備の金属や皮布の質感、室内での発色の良さが向上しているグラフィックアップデートは素晴らしいと思いました。

以下、勝手な想像ではありますが、色味や形状の変化などのこれら全ては「画質(グラフィック)を向上させたことによって、意図的に変更はしていないが変更されたように見えてしまっている」部分があるのではないかと推測しております。
(景色の色をリアルに反射させた結果、キャラの肌や唇の色が変更されて見える。ドットを増やし、カクカクしていた輪郭などを滑らかにした結果、鼻や輪郭が変更されたように見える。)
あくまで憶測のため、間違っていれば申し訳ございません。なんとか現状の雰囲気を選択肢として残せるようにしてはいただけないでしょうか。
ご検討宜しくお願い致します。

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Originally Posted by mitumiti

ルガディンのローエンガルデを使用しています。
鼻の黒い部分が薄くなっていて残念でした。

薄いほうが好きな人もいるとは思うので、こちらはホクロなどのように選べるようになれば嬉しいです。

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Originally Posted by mophead6251

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...28b4e61ee4.png
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6.58→ベンチマーク版の順となります。
言いたい所はたくさんあるのですが、主張がブレるので一点だけ。
目の下から頬にかけてのザラザラしたシミのような肌質、ここの変更ほんと要らないです。
元に戻してもらえないでしょうか。6.58でもうっすらと存在していましたが、
気にならないレベルでした。ベンチマーク版では全体的にボヤっとした
色合いの中でこのシミ部分だけ濃く表現されるようになった為、
要らないストレスを抱える羽目になってしまいました。
まるで涙で化粧が落ちてドロドロになったかのようです
リアル感として好意的に受け止めることはできなく、ただ”汚い”と感じます。

ゲームのキャラクリって多かれ少なかれ二次元特有の自分の思い描く理想像を
投影している人がほとんどだと思います。
そんな中で現実の肌荒れ、毛穴が緻密に再現されることが果たしてゲームの
没入感の向上に繋がるのでしょうか？自分はそうは思いません。
自分のキャラクターはサブも含めドラゴンのフェイスペイントを入れる事を
共通項としてキャラ付けしているのですが、毎回カットシーンやＳＳを撮る度に
今までになかったストレスを感じるくらいなら、アイデンティティーを捨て
ファンデーションで誤魔化さなきゃいけないかと本気で悩んでいます。
ユーザーが求めるリアルさがなんなのか、今一度ご検討いただけますと幸いです。

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Originally Posted by mitumiti

ローエンガルデ女性の鼻について。
グラフィックアップデートの見本は、いまよりも鼻の黒い部分が薄く感じられました。
ポチッとしっかり付いてるイメージが好みだったのですが、他の方の好みもあると思いますので、せめて濃い薄いを選べたらなあと思います。

また、ルガディン2顔に太い眉毛が欲しくフェイスペイントの眉毛を使ってるのですが、
フェイスペイントがアップデートでどう変わるのか気になります。
できればハッキリして、肌艶に左右されないマッドな質感だと嬉しいです。
アップデートでは褐色などがツヤツヤになるようなので、同じ質感になると不自然さが際立ちそうで…。
褐色のサンプルも自分の感覚ではツヤツヤすぎる気がしていて、自然なマッド質感だと嬉しいと思っています。

アップデートが楽しみですが怖いところもあるので、
アウラの眼が選択できるようになるのと同じように、他の部分についてもキャラメイクの選択肢が増えると嬉しいです。

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Originally Posted by k-s

ルガディンの頭部の髪型をスキンヘッドにした場合、
頭頂部の肌の質感が周りの肌と比べて
急に変わってしまっていて非常に不自然です。
顔面の肌の質感を頭頂部にも反映していただけると嬉しいです。

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...15c722a677.jpg
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Originally Posted by Asa1192

ベンチマーク回しました！
ルガディン♀ゼーヴォルフ、4顔です。
頬の血色感というかまだら感が強くなってしまい、以前の良い意味での人外ぽさが薄くなってしまったのがちょっと残念です。
肌が均一に綺麗に見えるようになるのを喜ぶ人は多いと思いますが、ここをくっきりさせる必要はないと思います。

瞳と髪に関してですが光が入るようになった分、今までの色では薄すぎると感じました。
しかしそれより一段階濃くすると濃すぎるような…。
それぞれの色段階の中間色のようなカラーバリエーションが増えたら嬉しいです。

長年一緒に旅をしてきた自キャラですので、できればこれまでと変わらない自キャラと夏休みを過ごしたいです。よろしくお願いします。

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Reading through this thread, it seems like the overall range of expression has shrank- everyone's face looks more average and homogenized in the benchmark, and it'd be very disappointing if that's what the devs were going for.


This looks like it's going to be the roe megathread so I'll post my thread here:

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Originally Posted by Dysvalence

Like many others I'm not particularly thrilled about the update. The eyeshadow and brow liner are less bold, and less sharply defined. On live, the chin and nose look more sleek and tapered, while the benchmark is blocky. The larger lips and wide, defined philtrum look out of place and disproportional, and combine with everything else to pull the overall balance toward the lower half of the face, which also draws attention to how the shadows make the neck and chin blend together. The end result is that the eyes look less intense and the whole face looks a bit sleepy.

I also liked the color blurring in the hair highlights and that goes away with more hair detail. The skin tone feels a bit off but I'm able to mitigate it with tone changes, I'll likely finetune all the colors after DT drops.

When comparing it in cutscenes, it feels like a very unnecessary sidegrade at best; this is workable and not as badly mangled as others, but I'd never choose it over the status quo.
https://i.imgur.com/jywkU6h.png

https://i.imgur.com/2XjITLN.png


inb4 but everyone looks bad in CC:
https://i.imgur.com/C5MTKiM.png

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Originally Posted by xirune

Loaded up the face 4 female Roe appearance data I had saved, and was disappointed by the way the nose shape has completely changed. Left is 6.78, right is benchmark.

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I don't know the other faces as well as face 2, but I'd not seen as many people pointing out changes (other than the eyes and smudge changes) for other faces. So weird that they changed some of the noses so drastically.

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Originally Posted by Dysvalence

Reading through this thread, it seems like the overall range of expression has shrank- everyone's face looks more average and homogenized in the benchmark, and it'd be very disappointing if that's what the devs were going for.


This looks like it's going to be the roe megathread so I'll post my thread here:

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The philtrum on all the faces cept 4 were so carelessly done. I'm so glad it's not just bugging me. Not only are they too long, but they don't even match the cupids bow???

i bring feedback from another friend.



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Hi. I’m a roegadyn player. My writing may not be smooth because I'm not used to English, and I'm also new to writing feedback. Please understand.
after playing benchmark I felt a few problem, so I wrote this feedback



https://i.ibb.co/Mg7StPr/h1.png



First of all, the character's eyes were very disappointing.
the original version's eye have a round eyeline and thick eyelashes, so they give lively feeling
but in benchmark, eyelines got sharper and eyelashes got thinner. So I felt that my character’s impression changed a lot. also, the distance between the eyelashes and the eyelid has become so far that It even looks like her eyes are half closed.
and eyebrows got slightly thinner..



https://i.ibb.co/5659txk/h2.png



So, I hope you change the character's eyes and eyebrows like before.

Second, the mouth's corner went down.
it gives an angry impression so the character's image got cold.
Also, it felt a bit awkward that philtrum got deeper



https://i.ibb.co/xCJbd1Y/h3.png



That's my feedback. I've only talked about things that I'm disappointed with earlier, but there are certain things that I like.
I really liked how the lip color became matte and also liked how the character's hair became soft.

Thank you for reading my feedback and I'm looking forward to your future development

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Originally Posted by shinjyu

i bring feedback from another friend.

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Ahhh another face 2 girl! I have the same complaints about the eyes and lips on face 2. If it's ok, I might quote it over in my face 2 thread at some point.

Thank you for taking the time to translate this and share with us.

If you and your friends have not heard yet, we did get an update from Yoshi-P! I has me hopeful that the issues will be addressed.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cf949ef43bf580

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Ahhh another face 2 girl! I have the same complaints about the eyes and lips on face 2. If it's ok, I might quote it over in my face 2 thread at some point.

Thank you for taking the time to translate this and share with us.

If you and your friends have not heard yet, we did get an update from Yoshi-P! I has me hopeful that the issues will be addressed.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cf949ef43bf580

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i thought more complain become adjustment. that's why i bring korean frined's feedback. i saw about benchmark 2 but they didn't say about 3D model's edit. so i think i gonna keep saying about feedback. thanks for information by the way!

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Originally Posted by shinjyu

i thought more complain become adjustment. that's why i bring korean frined's feedback. i saw about benchmark 2 but they didn't say about 3D model's edit. so i think i gonna keep saying about feedback. thanks for information by the way!

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Yes! It's definitely important to keep leaving feedback! It is mentioned that they will be making improvements right up to the release, some that we will not see until Dawntrail release too. So hopefully what we say will be seen and fixed.

Hello, I also wanted to share my feelings about female roegadyn faces in the benchmark with the graphical update. These are also specific to face 2. The first is that I do not personally like how the lips look like a very flat color now where the previous texture suggested a degree of light and shimmer on them that was even more noticeable on darker skin. The second is that the eyes appear more closed now when compared to the original face. I'm not sure whether this is due to the "lifeless" quality that others have described in the eye itself or the thicker darker appearance of the eyelash and eyelid now but my character now appears more serious or less alert than before. Please consider this feedback for the final release of the graphical update.

https://i.imgur.com/L9GKEiy.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/3g3YZ7j.jpg

Overall, I think the changes to my character are an improvement. Most alterations are very minor such as nostrils, lips and eye shape but I think it's less of a design choice and more due to the textures and lighting being updated. For example the softer lighting and higher rez textures make the transition between lip and skin more gradual.

The biggest upgrades are IMO the eyes (especially the catchlights) and the addition of a philtrum. I understand that not everyone might be happy with the changes, but I hope the next benchmark doesn't revert the Seawolf Face 4 changes.

https://i.imgur.com/KbZs8JR.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/0Dlb2lP.jpeg
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https://i.imgur.com/Gs9dIFU.jpeg

Face 4 100% is the best face resculpt out of every one they've done, while Face 2 has been pretty mangled, and 1/3 are in the middle.

Your lovely femroe is one of the best transitions between graphics I've seen so far.
I suspect because it's the least problematic the only thing you may notice is some variance with the mouth (corners) with the new benchmark since lips are a known issue across all races. Keeping my fingers crossed for you.

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Originally Posted by faiarrow

Face 4 100% is the best face resculpt out of every one they've done, while Face 2 has been pretty mangled, and 1/3 are in the middle.

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^^^ I've been super jealous at the amount of care they put into face 4. It's the only one where the philtrum matches the lips, and though the lips themselves have changed like every other model, it's the least jarringly different.

Though perhaps the least sloppy of the bunch, I wouldn't call myself terribly pleased with the changes all the same for my face 4 girl.

https://i.imgur.com/aYjd3Yq.png

It mostly carries the shape, though the energy is different which is the stickler for me. There's the general stuff that seems to be affecting everyone such as eyebrows being a bit neutered and pupils being larger resulting in an overall different impression. But there's also some data that's just a bit off. The chin is inexplicably wider, and the nostrils are a wee bit different but I really just cannot stand the mouth.

The entire point of why I play femroe is I do not want a happy looking character. The current game mouth for face 4 is a bit strange, but very neutral in it's expression. Whilst the new mouth mostly carries the same silhouette, the smile line has shifted upwards into a light simper. It makes her look dopey in a way that's an absolutely deal-breaker for me.

female face 1


https://youtu.be/tFpJNVCN17c


male face 2


https://youtu.be/mmMCY3SYpxc