Really hope that next Relic Step will be a complete grindfest again

What are the odds that we will get huge raid maps like in Shadowbringers again? Think those were awesome and fun to do. Was also amazing that there was a "Relic" Set to farm and finally an exteme version of a Raid.

First things first: is this bait?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

First things first: is this bait?

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Yes but that hasnt stopped anyone on here ever.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

First things first: is this bait?

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What you mean? Would just be great to have more to do than weekly token and tomestone farm which can be done in a few hours.

I mean, even if it is bait, I completely agree with it. Bring back the old style of relics. Make them BiS again at the cost of being a huge time sink. No more of this keeping their growth staggered so far behind as to make them not even worth having by the time you can upgrade them crap.

*sadly looks at games-to-play list*

With the introduction of Ultimates I seriously doubt that they will leave the current motif of Relic weapon<Savage weapon. Ik that this happens at the end of the xpac but relic will never be BiS for the latest ultimate.

The last one was bad enough. Please don't wish this on us.

Depends on the definition of grind..,

If it's the kind you forget about the grind, and more about the moments with others or self. I doubt people will mind.

We already know it's almost a (Universal) fact we won't get an Exploration Zone or similar Zone. Though there maybe similar alternatives in the openworld.

This topic has been covered many times, so not much reason to keep this one thread alive.

But with the point of the Relics being near above or at Same usefulness as Current Raid Gear, you can watch some opinions on Mogtalk recently.

And there is no longer reason for them to be held back.

Hopefully when the 7.0 Relic grind is upon us, it'll have a good Exploration Zone with lots of Cooperation like Eureka, and the Good bits of Bozja. With a fully independent branch that wouldn't be locked by the Exploration Zones story/activities, for those who cannot/will not want to partake in it.

Imagine doing relics weapons when obviously SE its going to nerf them in a couple of months later on.

Since we're not getting exploratory zone content then I hope the next step is a grind, but a grind that has multiple forms of content to do the grind in so I don't get bored.

Like use roulettes, the new deep dungeon content,etc, or do what they do with the moogle events, those are great examples of a fun grind cause they got a good portion of ways to do the grind.

I did have a lot of fun doing Eureka with my friends. Same for Bozja and Zadnor. So I can understand that perspective, but I dont mind just doing dailies and collecting tomestones either for a change.

Only relic weapons I liked doing was the Eureka ones. But I don't mind collecting tomestones for these relics.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I mean, even if it is bait, I completely agree with it. Bring back the old style of relics. Make them BiS again at the cost of being a huge time sink. No more of this keeping their growth staggered so far behind as to make them not even worth having by the time you can upgrade them crap.

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I'd be fine with a huge time sink if they introduced them earlier to justify it. Like 6.1 earlier.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I mean, even if it is bait, I completely agree with it. Bring back the old style of relics. Make them BiS again at the cost of being a huge time sink. No more of this keeping their growth staggered so far behind as to make them not even worth having by the time you can upgrade them crap.

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Xeno and Happy talked about this on Mogtalk just the other day. Their example was the old ARR relics and applying that progression trajectory to current day. Xeno's example being to release the relic in the .1 patch that comes a few weeks after Savage where it's at say, i615 or i620. This makes it a perfect side grade for tanks and healers who basically don't see loot in a lot of statics as you generally prioritize DPS. When the .5 patch launches and the tier is four months old, drop the next step pushing the relic to i630 or i635.

What's funny is they seemingly won't do this because of the perception raiders will be upset it's now "easier" to get a better weapon than Savage. Most raiders don't give a damn after four months. Those who did have long already cleared Savage. Unfortunately, the small subset of people who would get annoyed their "hard work" is being made worthless are who SE keeps catering to.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

What's funny is they seemingly won't do this because of the perception raiders will be upset it's now "easier" to get a better weapon than Savage. Most raiders don't give a damn after four months. Those who did have long already cleared Savage. Unfortunately, the small subset of people who would get annoyed their "hard work" is being made worthless are who SE keeps catering to.

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Most raiders probably wouldn't care if the thing released alongside savage at a slight item level deficit, being increased to equal after a month or so has passed. Feeling jilted because you're either not prioritized or just have bad luck is a common enough thing that nearly everybody can relate to it. All the serious raiders already have their clears by then anyway. It would be a nice little leg up for PF groups or those whose statics struggle.

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

Since we're not getting exploratory zone content then I hope the next step is a grind, but a grind that has multiple forms of content to do the grind in so I don't get bored.

Like use roulettes, the new deep dungeon content,etc, or do what they do with the moogle events, those are great examples of a fun grind cause they got a good portion of ways to do the grind.

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real talk, I dont think you guys EVER actually believe what you say.

"Gee wilikers Batman, I sure was entertained spamming all those same alliance raids and dungeons repeatedly for my Shb relic!"

This content drought has officially gas lighted the community into thinking that grinds are legit fun and thats hilarious to me.

You will be forced to spam the Crystal Tower raids for your new shiny relic weapon upgrade again and you will love it!

My guess is the next relic will heavily involve the new deep dungeon, you know, to get people to play it.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Imagine doing relics weapons when obviously SE its going to nerf them in a couple of months later on.

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Dont care, GOT THAT GLAMOUR BABY!
No Regrets.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

You will be forced to spam the Crystal Tower raids for your new shiny relic weapon upgrade again and you will love it!

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HECK YEAH, GIVE IT TO ME BABY
IpromiseIwontcryhalfwaythroughandquitbecauseitbecametomuchthistime

I dislike Eureka/Bozja, but it's possible I could enjoy something similar assuming it's tied to the current expansion. The problem is that it'll be dead content immediately afterwards. At least with ARR/HW relics you can throw up PF for whatever it is and you'll have more of a chance of finding a group to grind with than in there.

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

Since we're not getting exploratory zone content then I hope the next step is a grind, but a grind that has multiple forms of content to do the grind in so I don't get bored.

Like use roulettes, the new deep dungeon content,etc, or do what they do with the moogle events, those are great examples of a fun grind cause they got a good portion of ways to do the grind.

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Id bet gil that the best methods are going to be behind Crystal Tower as per usual.

Whatever it is, I hope they will not put it behind Crystal Tower grindfest or deep dungeons.

But considering Eureka Orthros is the next hyped upcoming content, I guess I’ll have to accept that the latter is more likely to happen.

I miss Exploratory Zones :( Badly.

We'll prolly see light farming again...

I've sort of learned over the last few expansions... don't bother with the relic until patch X.5. The grindfest when it first comes out is ridiculous and they lessen the grind when the next step comes out. I didn't start Eureka until 4.5. If I recall, I started Anemos when Pyros was just released (and they nerfed Anemos and Pagos). Then I started Pyros when Hydatos was released (and they nerfed Pyros). I zerged through Pyros and did Hydatos when it was current content. Unless something has changed, the relic is always behind the upgraded tomestone weapon until patch X.55 or so when you can wrap up the relic quest and get the raid-equivalent reward.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

What's funny is they seemingly won't do this because of the perception raiders will be upset it's now "easier" to get a better weapon than Savage. Most raiders don't give a damn after four months. Those who did have long already cleared Savage. Unfortunately, the small subset of people who would get annoyed their "hard work" is being made worthless are who SE keeps catering to.

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CBU3 game design in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

real talk, I dont think you guys EVER actually believe what you say.

"Gee wilikers Batman, I sure was entertained spamming all those same alliance raids and dungeons repeatedly for my Shb relic!"

This content drought has officially gas lighted the community into thinking that grinds are legit fun and thats hilarious to me.

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I think you really need to get into your head that people do enjoy tough content, long grinds.

What people actually fear is, more content gets released like this.

FF in it's current design is showing that instant gratification is a bad design.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

I think you really need to get into your head that people do enjoy tough content, long grinds.

What people actually fear is, more content gets released like this.

FF in it's current design is showing that instant gratification is a bad design.

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I far rather prefer having grinds relegated to either Fates, deep dungeons or any other activity rather than having to spam one specific duty unsynced or not just to get an item. That design is boring.

I don't mind Eureka and Bozja-style content being back. Those are fun. But longevity seems to die down super noticeably on them, and for a relic that isn't the best thing out there. But a grindfest should be fine provided it's fun, and repetition doesn't always equate fun x_x

I love the Ivalice raids to a fault, but that doesn't mean I'd want to have it so many times. If I had my favourite dish for breakfast, lunch and dinner I'd get sick of it pretty quickly...

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

Since we're not getting exploratory zone content then I hope the next step is a grind, but a grind that has multiple forms of content to do the grind in so I don't get bored.

Like use roulettes, the new deep dungeon content,etc, or do what they do with the moogle events, those are great examples of a fun grind cause they got a good portion of ways to do the grind.

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lol doesnt stop them from sending us in old ones though

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I dislike Eureka/Bozja, but it's possible I could enjoy something similar assuming it's tied to the current expansion. The problem is that it'll be dead content immediately afterwards. At least with ARR/HW relics you can throw up PF for whatever it is and you'll have more of a chance of finding a group to grind with than in there.

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so instead of dead content a expac later you want to do older non current expac stuff instead :X?

the southern front last night had full instances fwiw

HW style grind would be ideal methinks. Very long but also very varied so there were several different things you could do a day to progress your relic. Like dungeons, Beast Tribes, high level crafting etc.

As long as it's not the garbage "alternative" to Bozja we got in Shadowbringers.

Personally like Eureka and Bozja more so than the Deep Dungeons which is what is replacing zones this time around. But think relic should have been entirely seperate from them, and instead had its own set of gear and weapons much like DD. Best case would be something like the relic grind like arr and hw, but with options of using those zones to grind out some stages, Bozja was close to the idea but really shouldnt have had some of it content required for relic...

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

real talk, I dont think you guys EVER actually believe what you say.

"Gee wilikers Batman, I sure was entertained spamming all those same alliance raids and dungeons repeatedly for my Shb relic!"

This content drought has officially gas lighted the community into thinking that grinds are legit fun and thats hilarious to me.

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As someone who prefers the ARR and HW style, it's less being entertained with spamming something (which you don't have to do, to remind) and more having a variety of options or passively getting updates from things you do every day. This means someone can spam to finish it quickly or take their time and both options are viable for completion before the next step is out.

For me especially it's not being locked away from the game in a FOMO zone where if you aren't there early and grinding with everyone else, you've missed the boat. There's also the camaraderie of seeing the same people come up in your runs if you do spend some time spamming and finding out you're on the relic treadmill and cheering each other on.

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

so instead of dead content a expac later you want to do older non current expac stuff instead :X?

the southern front last night had full instances fwiw

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I just want to be able to solo it an expansion or two later.

You can't do that in Eureka and Bozja.

Yeah I'd honestly love this. I spent a ton of time in bozja/grinding fates, and while I understand why it's not appealing to a lot of people, I unfortunately grew up playing runescape, so mindless neverending grinding gives me endorphins. Though honestly my only real request is to have relic grinds give decent exp (I assume it will, but I started playing mid shb and only did those relics so far)

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

so instead of dead content a expac later you want to do older non current expac stuff instead :X?

the southern front last night had full instances fwiw

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I want the ability to revisit older content. Is there something wrong with that?

I mean I started in ShB but I never really experienced Bozja during that expansion. Is it wrong for me to want to go back and revisit older content, even if it's not current expansion content?

I understand it's not the norm since most people just do MSQ + current expansion, then quit, but is there something actually wrong with me wanting it?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

You can't do that in Eureka and Bozja.

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Bit of a controversial take here, but I think that's kinda the point. You're not meant to solo Eureka and Bozja. That isn't the sort of content they're meant to be. They're content specifically designed to go in as a group.

I know it's unfortunate to say and people are gonna get upset at that, but that's the thing. It was never made to be that sort of content. So saying "I want to be able to solo Eureka and Bozja" is virtually the same as saying "I want to solo an Alliance Raid". You just won't.

However, Bozja and Eureka suffer from longevity problems, and they're noticeable. It's very hit-or-miss when or if Bozja's full even with the level up incentive. There isn't that much to do there or an incentive to go back to it once you're done with the relic. I haven't seen a full instance in years. And I find that to be a shame, because it means it's going to cause issues in the future.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I just want to be able to solo it an expansion or two later.

You can't do that in Eureka and Bozja.

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you can solo Eureka easy even without all the elemental stuff

Don't think i'll be happy with this relic chase personally. I liked the exploratory zones and the prospect of running old content for tomes/drops/light or whatever doesn't seem like fun. Will wait and see before I decide how much I'll get involved with relic this go around.