Snakes?

I can understand Blizzard a western company showing Snakes/Nagas (Hindu word for snakes) as Hindus (as they have Hindu names) but I thought this game is made by people from east and will be more culturally sensitive, not so?

https://media.tenor.com/Xy4j48Ky_fYA...d-mr-snake.gif

"made by people from east" Ah yes, the entire continent + islands of asia can easily be grouped up into one single group of people. Totally.

https://www.hinduwebsite.com/buzz/sy...n-hinduism.asp

For the most part, it seems like the cultural sensitivity thing is only in NA. Most of the rest of the world doesn't really care.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

For the most part, it seems like the cultural sensitivity thing is only in NA. Most of the rest of the world doesn't really care.

---

So why did Charlie Hebdo attack happened if it's just NA thing? and why FF14 named a character Bahamut but kept the current day Pagan Gods in current day real world names without using fictional names?

So do we also complain about FF making Shiva female when the mythological source of the name is male?

Or Hraesvelgr and Ratatoskr being dragons when in Norse mythology they're an eagle and a squirrel? (And don't get me started on Odin.)

Isn't the FF series kind of known for this sort of thing, though? Like, what about Shiva being represented as a sexy ice diva?

...Wait a minute, is this bait?

Edit:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So do we also complain about FF making Shiva female when the mythological source of the name is male?

---

Aw, you beat me to it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So do we also complain about FF making Shiva female when the mythological source of the name is male?

Or Hraesvelgr and Ratatoskr being dragons when in Norse mythology they're an eagle and a squirrel? (And don't get me started on Odin.)

---

First I wanna understand why OP thinks that because the devs are "from east" that gives them some sort of immediate cultural sensitivity to hinduism when hinduism is mainly concentrated around the indian sphere of influence but the devs are from japan.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ronibosch

Isn't the FF series kind of known for this sort of thing, though? Like, what about Shiva being represented as a sexy ice diva?

Wait a minute, is this bait?

Edit:
Aw, you beat me to it.

---

I dont think they devs are racist or bigoted or hindu haters, i think they just copy pasted nagas from blizzard.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saraide

First I wanna understand why OP thinks that because the devs are "from east" that gives them some sort of immediate cultural sensitivity to hinduism when hinduism is mainly concentrated around the indian sphere of influence but the devs are from japan.

---

nope, hinduism was active in japan, google up. they still have temple from pre buddhist times. each primal has it’s japanese name but used sanskrit names in game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

I dont think they devs are racist or bigoted or hindu haters, i think they just copy pasted nagas from blizzard.

---

Ah, I see! My apologies.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MilkieTea

https://www.hinduwebsite.com/buzz/sy...n-hinduism.asp

---

They rever everything in nature, snakes, monkeys, elephants etc etc, doesn’t mean others will represent them as monkeys in a video game.

To be fair, snakes and serpents have been called by a lot of names in the FF franchise. I think they just like using mythological names even if it doesn't follow the source material closely, if at all. And not just with serpents.

I don't really get what the purpose of this post is.



What are you trying to do?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

nope, hinduism was active in japan, google up. they still have temple from pre buddhist times. each primal has it’s japanese name but used sanskrit names in game.

---

The word "was" is carrying the world there. If you think that past influences inherently move the needle towards more cultural sensitivity then I'm going to have to disappoint you. Judaism, christianity and islam all share the exact same roots but the seperation between them is unfortunately pretty harsh in many occasions.
Yes there are people practicing hinduism in japan and while ~500k people is no small number, compared to japan's population of ~125 million that's not that many.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

To be fair, they've been called Lamias as well in the FF franchise, which are an ancient Greek mythological being, with FF XI ringing the loudest bell for me. I think they just like using mythological names even if it doesn't follow the source material closely, if at all.

---

I understand most MMOs reusing greek/norse icons, and west is fine with it because they long left paganism, but hindus are like 1 billion or so last living pagan culture alive today not some prehistoric dead culture. There are war happening, terror attacks for cartoons, who knows what happens for drawing Bahamut.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

I understand most MMOs reusing greek/norse icons, and west is fine with it because they long left paganism, but hindus are like 1 billion or so last living pagan culture alive today not some prehistoric dead culture. There are war happening, terror attacks for cartoons, who knows what happens for drawing Bahamut.

---

Paganism still permeates our cultures, even today, in more ways than people realize. Buuut I'd rather not get into a conversation about religion and culture around here, so I will bow out now before it really takes a turn for the worse.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saraide

The word "was" is carrying the world there. If you think that past influences inherently move the needle towards more cultural sensitivity then I'm going to have to disappoint you. Judaism, christianity and islam all share the exact same roots but the seperation between them is unfortunately pretty harsh in many occasions.
Yes there are people practicing hinduism in japan and while ~500k people is no small number, compared to japan's population of ~125 million that's not that many.

---

Awareness and number of current practicioners not correlated. it’s about education. With so many Sanskrit words in game, they would have hindu employees for sure.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Paganism still permeates our cultures, even today, in more ways than people realize.

---

Every Christmas we celebrate paganism.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Every Christmas we celebrate paganism.

---

Exactly! :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I don't really get what the purpose of this post is.



What are you trying to do?

---

Stir the pot it seems...or so devoted to something particular, that they are insulted by supposed "cultural appropriation"?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I don't really get what the purpose of this post is.



What are you trying to do?

---

Every post they make screams to me it's written by some dude larping as hindu.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saraide

Every post they make screams to me it's written by some dude larping as hindu.

---

It’s in my username, may be your make random posts without anything to contribute

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

Awareness and number of current practicioners not correlated. it’s about education. With so many Sanskrit words in game, they would have hindu employees for sure.

---

What about the other part of my post, the one before I talk about current practicioners. And if you're right and they have a bunch of hindu employees, then what's the problem?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saraide

What about the other part of my post, the one before I talk about current practicioners. And if you're right and they have a bunch of hindu employees, then what's the problem?

---

why are you even discussing after displaying your hindu hatred in previous post, i am not here to explain things to you, stop trolling.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

So why did Charlie Hebdo attack happened if it's just NA thing? and why FF14 named a character Bahamut but kept the current day Pagan Gods in current day real world names without using fictional names?

---

Good job! You found an example when I said "for the most part". Never said there wasn't any.
Also, bahamut has been a stand in in final fantasy games way before ff14 so that's a carry over name from a different writing team.

I'm mainly speaking about in the entertainment media. Japanese company's very commonly use stereotypes that some would say is offensive. Just look at how black people are in anime.

Another post about religion.
Posted by a lalafell.

Are the popotoes finding the light or something? I thought they had capitalism as their god.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Good job! You found an example when I said "for the most part". Never said there wasn't any.
Also, bahamut has been a stand in in final fantasy games way before ff14 so that's a carry over name from a different writing team.

I'm mainly speaking about in the entertainment media. Japanese company's very commonly use stereotypes that some would say is offensive. Just look at how black people are in anime.

---

True, there’s a lot of stereotyping, west has stopped it in last decade or 2, may be Japanese media will catch up soon, Apu caricatures should be past.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

Another post about religion.
Posted by a lalafell.

Are the popotoes finding the light or something? I thought they had capitalism as their god.

---

Hindu is not a religion, it’s race/ethnicity

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

why are even discussing after displaying your hindu hatred in previous post, i am not here to explain things to you, stop trolling.

---

Listen, that's just my personal impression about you specifically. All of your posts give me the impression that you are not who you claim you are and instead someone from a western european cultural background trying to stir up drama on the forum (which is based). From the start, the weird generalization of japanese people and hindu people as 'from the east'. The idea that the depiction as snakes is inherently something evil (which would perfectly fit into a christian background). Calling hinduism a pagan religion also feels to me like a very western viewpoint, it's essentially otherizing every non-abrahamic religion. Historically this term has a lot of negative connotations.

Pointing at the attack on charlie hebdo also feels very weirdly specific as does this weird sentence about:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

There are war happening, terror attacks for cartoons, who knows what happens for drawing Bahamut.

---

Is this supposed to be a warning? I dont believe you are trying to threaten anyone here.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

They rever everything in nature, snakes, monkeys, elephants etc etc, doesn’t mean others will represent them as monkeys in a video game.

---

This is a small thing but: what about you? Dont you want to include yourself in that statement? Given how personally invested you seem, I find it weird that you arent even including yourself here.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saraide

Listen, that's just my personal impression about you specifically. All of your posts give me the impression that you are not who you claim you are and instead someone from a western european cultural background trying to stir up drama on the forum (which is based). From the start, the weird generalization of japanese people and hindu people as 'from the east'. The idea that the depiction as snakes is inherently something evil (which would perfectly fit into a christian background). Calling hinduism a pagan religion also feels to me like a very western viewpoint, it's essentially otherizing every non-abrahamic religion. Historically this term has a lot of negative connotations.

Pointing at the attack on charlie hebdo also feels very weirdly specific as does this weird sentence about:


Is this supposed to be a warning? I dont believe you are trying to threaten anyone here.



This is a small thing but: what about you? Dont you want to include yourself in that statement? Given how personally invested you seem, I find it weird that you arent even including yourself here.

---

I already said I am not interested in discussing with you after your open hate towards hindus posting in forums. i am new to this forum and from your statements it seems other hindus have posted their concerns before and your trolled them too. so thank you and bye.

The real question we should be asking is how come we don't have those snakes made of bullets from FFX-2?

UH OH let us argue about nothing. Karen this is a Game take it or leave it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aneshda

UH OH let us argue about nothing. Karen this is a Game take it or leave it.

---

or raise it in forums and fight racial stereotyping. it’s a real world problem and video games should not teach it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

or raise it in forums and fight racial stereotyping.

---

Why should this Game change for you?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aneshda

Why should this Game change for you?

---

Because I ask. you too should join me in stopping racial stereotyping.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

I already said I am not interested in discussing with you after your open hate towards hindus posting in forums. i am new to this forum and from your statements it seems other hindus have posted their concerns before and your trolled them too. so thank you and bye.

---

You are new to this forum but know my interactions on this forum? Uh huh, I believe that, 100%. Do you have examples or anything to back up your claims?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hindu

Because I ask. you too should join me in stopping racial stereotyping.

---

FML Karen, you are a Troll and I nearly fell for it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saraide

Every post they make screams to me it's written by some dude larping as hindu.

---

Here, you said it yourself.