As someone who only played PLD I hate this rework. Here is my good, bad, and ugly of the rework before I go into rant mode.
GOOD
HS outside of req are instant with buff
FoF is no longer locked to physical
Changes to how Confiteor ready works
PoA was not changed
3 part AoE combo
Goring Blade and HS not breaking combo
BAD
OGCD use during Confiteor makes it feel weaker
too many buttons on hotbar
the new rotation
skill speed and spell speed still being separate stats
Divine veil changes are a NERF with the new rotation...
Goring Blade and HS not being part of a combo
Divine might capping at 1 stack
UGLY
Why do we have 2 damage buff buttons? and why make one have damage?
Holy sheltron, WTF does Knight's resolve do now?
Why is our job gauge STILL pointless? and why auto attacks...
Why did we get to keep Circle of Scorn? Doesn't SE hate DoTs
Bulwark is a **** joke. Block is the problem.
Why is Goring Blade a GCD? are they going to give us "bioblaster" at lvl 100?
Req still needing to be done in melee range
Atonement stacks still need to be dropped in the rotation
Rant time
Lets talk defensives first. Old PLD had one less personal, but could still clear all content as OT and MT. So saying it NEEDED Bulwark in an emergency rework is dumb. If it came out as a expansion leveling action I wouldn't care are all.
I will say the idea of having more mit is great, but Bulwark isn't it champ. Block is the problem! SE clearly knows that by taking it off sheltron. The only use I see for Bulwark is I guess autos?
Regarding Divine Veil... With the changes to HS and Confiteor procing it why remove the 'jank' of needed the heal to pop it. Having the ability to use DV early so that it would be off cool down for raid wides closer than 90s was nice. I also could've sworn the old version did a small heal AND shield.
PoA haters. STOP. It is an extra party wide mit. You can weave it and for a GCD you get the mit WITH NO LOSS OF DAMAGE! If you are complaining about it only working behind you, how do you want it to work? be another bubble?
Now Holy sheltron. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the blocking was taking off this action for bleeds? Did I not read the "Knight's Resolve" effect right? Did it not already do exactly what people were saying it didn't? Also why is this effect still in the game? is it 30% for the first 4 seconds?
Cover is trash still. Why ever use it over intervention? Speaking of which to Sheltron or intervention, that is the question. "Sorry co-tank I can't put my targetable on you, I used it on my personal earlier." Why make these a shared 'cooldown' and why make the gauge be based on auto attacks. It makes as much sense as having it be based of damage received.
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01-12-2023, 09:58 AMDoubleOneOnePLD 6.3 opinions
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01-12-2023, 09:58 AMDoubleOneOne
Now for the main event, the new rotation... Oh boy, why is the natural rotation not 60s SE? Do you know how to count? Cause if you don't just make have haste replace skill and spell speed and players can do it for you. But lets be real, I really want to understand what the goal of this rework was. I pray it wasn't just "this job doesn't burst so we need to change it." Remove the DoTs okay, but why change the core rotation? Could they not just, not let me blow your mind, just changed Goring Blade to what it is now and fix atonement to allow for a natural 60s rotation?
I liked OLD PLD because the rotation had no moving parts, just keep your dots up. You naturally come to a good enough order of buttons, and therefore quickly can understand the 'best' rotation. Being able to req in a large range of GCDs with no upside or downside made using defenses easy.
The only complaints I had about old PLD? late weaving FoF, req being melee skill, non 60s rotation. And would you look at that these are all still problems. Except FoF, which is just a skill you learn over time anyway.
Now with new PLD I have to keep track of if I used my HS stack before I get another, or if I need to save it for a burst. If the buff was part of the job gauge it might help my tiny brain, but oh wait I forgot PLDs don't use their job gauge. We even got a new 'action' so we don't have to look at it anymore.
But enough about full uptime thou, downtime and how to deal with it. Unplanned OLD PLD down time, drop or add an atonement to line back up. You may lose damage but you are on the same line you would've been if you didn't have down time. Planned/Forced OLD PLD down time, don't use your dot. MIND BLOWN. New PLD down time? If you are lucky drop an atonement or two. But if it is long enough of down time hard cast HS..................I hope the boss walks back over to you, and that you want the boss to move that way.
I'm just mad that a rotation change occurred in the middle of an expansion, and that it changed the filler GCDs more than it did the burst. But hey, it's my fault for liking and only playing a job that wasn't popular. -
01-12-2023, 10:09 AMGserpentI'm not even mad about the rotation changes. We knew from the moment they announced a planned rework that the rotation would change. I wouldn't *like* the rotation being a clone of WAR or GNB or DRK, but those are functional rotations so it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have it happen - at least then you know you're getting a functional, tuned rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleOneOne
But we didn't get that. We got a "rework" that still left in the two major issues with the old rotation (having to drop Atonements and Holy Spirit being keyed to spell speed instead of skill speed), which begs the question of... why even rework the rotation at all? Bulwark will be useless against tankbuster bleeds, but whatever - that just means it's a button like Cover and Shield Bash you can just not even bother putting onto your bars. -
01-12-2023, 10:46 AMKabooaBulwark is added as a situational bonus CD, similar to Camoflauge, Darkmind, and Thrill of Battle. If anything it's one of the better ones, primarily because block applies to everything but bleeds. In other words, if they diversify their busters, all the 60/90 sit-CDs are roughly the same. Block still reduces non-True damage that isn't DoT based. It will work on initial buster hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleOneOne
I think anyone who liked old DV was making excuses. Sure, you had some fringe cases of unique use, but I'll maintain those suckers were stockholmed by how it worked just like every version of Machinist suckered people into liking it.
PoA could be better.
It's 15% + 15%, just like Heart of Corundrum. You can also RNG block or stack Bulwark on top of it for even more mitigation if you really want to. There's literally no downside to this change.
Cover lets you save someone, in a manner that requires very few other conditions to be present. Every other tank-helper comes with caveats, of needing enough baseline HP for the mitigation to matter, that TBN is much weaker on non-tanks, or if you have the time to pump health into them from warriors. Cover is click the button, that person is safe at your expense. This iteration isn't meant to be for your co-tank, but it can be used in some situations for them. -
01-12-2023, 11:19 AMDuskane
Regen on Knights resolve doesn't actually mitigate the damage on bleeds though,
bleed ticks for more than you can regen while sheltron % mitigation will be way more effective now.
personally my problem with the rework is the fact its a worse warrior but not in the typical fell cleave response but the fact it does the same thing every 60 seconds ,WAR is the same but it atleast breaks up the monotony with the infuriate trait, also atonement still breaking combo and only allowed for one stack of holy spirit/circle feels so bad. -
01-12-2023, 11:26 AMDoubleOneOneStockholmed? Was it that hard to ask a heal from your healers? and I guess all of P7S is a fringe case cause I kept it on cooldown most fight with out any assistance and it being useful every time. With the new rotation could you not wait 15.5 to pop it your self? The buff is a shield not mit and it lasts 30s after it pops. So you could put it up at any time in the fight still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
You make a strong point about PoA. -
01-12-2023, 09:57 PMCKNovelHere's the thing, it's like BRD's Nature's Minne.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleOneOne
They've lost the strong synergy with SCH shield but instead got much more applications.
The same happens to Divine Veil, you lose the few cases where its gimmick was good but you win much more applications.
A barrier that can be delayed is sometimes good, but a barrier that instantly applies is always better. -
01-12-2023, 10:39 PMRithy255
Offensive Side of PLD Can't complain too much, rotation feels "ok" I don't think it's better then the old one, but if they made some adjustments to this new one I can say with certainty it would actually be something that I really like, I think Atonement, Goring blade need adjustments, I'd like to see holy spirits maybe holding up to 2 stacks but you get stacks a bit more faster (maybe by doing all atonements you get one), In general I'm happy it's pretty decent feels a lot better then DRK/WAR for me, Holy spirit feels so good to hold for sustain and ranged.
Divine veil change was good, I don't think it was bad or in need of changing, but it makes it a lot less annoying to use also effects you (which actually might be small but its still nice to have a self barrier on PLD), sure you can speak with healers but that doesn't take into account that a lot of people run PF's or play the game casually, it's more of a nice QOL more then anything, generally happy about the changes, would like at least the regen effect instead of the upfront heal effect as it's more useful, I'd personally make the barrier a bit stronger on warriors but also remove the upfront heal (prolly buff DRK/GNB'S raid wides aswell to like a 15%), but I think Passage would need to also change if PLD's veil is weaker.
Bulwark is like Camo or Dark Mind, can be situationally worse depending on the situation, but i generally think it's actually Pretty consistent because even if you don't block the DOT's of the tank buster You will mitigate the Buster itself, Holy Shelltron is also way more consistent, Bulwark is a Tanking CD that's been lacking on PLD and while it isn't the best one I think it's actually pretty great compared to something like Camo (Dark mind is likely the best one because most fights use magical).
Passage of arms likely won't be change, because "pretty animation" which is a big disappointment, theirs a argument that forming a cone around the PLD and snapshotting it is "unique" but that's just the bad type of Unique, I much rather have something like temperance even if it's like a 10% mitigation I rather that then it stay as it is.
Other stuff Please fix cover, Give shield bash something to do or remove it, make space for abilities by removing Intervention, Allow holy shelltron & Normal shelltron target other people, make Oath gauge based on 40 seconds to fill to 100 or something, IDM Hallowed ground remaining the longest if PLD's got the best utility and on par defensives as long as Invuls aren't really going to be overused I think it makes for a "downside". -
01-13-2023, 03:44 AMaodhan_ofinnegainI'm sorry but your Intervention gripe is actually annoying. It's by far one of the best OT skills in the game, and one of it's strongest interactions is during content where double busters happen, allowing PLD to use Sheltron on themselves and throw an intervention on their co-tank, allowing their co-tank to share their short mit with the Paladin instead. Your suggestion neuters the kit, and seriously button bloat is not an excuse to get rid of it. Also the whole "we can't stand homogenisation" but then people asking for so many things to be homogenised it's just so....HUH?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rithy255
If any of the oath gauge actions needing tossed in the trash is Cover, no contest. When it was as good as it was in SB, no iteration but that iteration will be even remotely good enough to any veteran Paladin player, without making the skill outright broken, tbh, Cover had its day, but it's not needed, and these fringe cases of oh I can cover the healer to save a run, more often than, will fall flat on it's face and you take double damage from a raidwide die, and the healer gets auto'd and just straight up dies. Sure you will get the odd run where it is successful but it's so niche that it's gathering dust more often than not. -
01-13-2023, 04:06 AMRithy255If I was to remove Intervention I'd make Shelltron on 2/3 seconds so it retains it's "double tank buster" use, I personally don't see how that would change PLD in anyway and it would reduce button bloat easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain
its not homogenisation Intervention is just slightly worse holy shelltron for a friend right now lol (other then being able to use it on double tank busters) -
01-13-2023, 04:13 AMaodhan_ofinnegainI mean buffed Intervention is around the same as Holy Sheltron, and on double busters, you'll always have a buffed Intervention, rest of the time, it's literally whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rithy255
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01-13-2023, 04:32 AMGserpentThat wasn't a strength, that was a liability because you had to do that gimmicky Sheltron+Intervention switcheroo because PLD couldn't block the bleed portion of the tankbuster. Your PLD either died or forced GCD healing if you didn't do that. I'm actually wondering if PLD will end up being overtuned, defensively, now that they will no longer require the buddy skill to survive tankbusters.Quote:
Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain
Homogeneity among DPS cycles is what people hate, especially when that comes at the cost of class fantasy. People *don't* hate homogeneity among defensive kits, because that's the fastest way to reach legitimate "if you don't take this class you're griefing your team" scenarios. -
01-13-2023, 04:34 AMCorbeau
The PLD rework feels fantastic. Paladin had 3-4 characteristics that set it apart from other tanks, in my mind at least, and they accentuated the enjoyable differences without deleting it's individuality. To me, PLD was defined by these attributes:
- Cover; no other tank can save an ally like this. Hell, no other *class* can save an ally like this.
- Ranged magic attacks; no other tank periodically becomes a ranged class.
- Rigidity; there was basically no leeway to move any GCD in PLD's rotation.
- Repetition; a lot of pushing the exact same button over and over again (atonement, holy spirit post-requescat, and then confiteor combo in EW).
I would argue that the first two were unambiguously good differences, while the latter could (and imo did) wear out their welcome. So what did the rework do?
- Cover: they didn't change cover. Good. I wish it was more reliable but a lot of that is on the game engine, not PLD.
- Ranged magic attacks: they added more freedom in placing ranged GCDs during both filler and (to a lesser extent) burst phases. Good: this means more moment to moment small choices to deal with mechanics and momentary downtime.
- Rigidity: the above change obviously means a reduction in PLD's unique level of rotational rigidity. Good IMO; it's not like new-PLD is freestyling, there are just small windows to spend Divine Might now instead of total lockstep GCD planning.
- Repetition: they outright deleted one of the three major key-mashing sequences (req into holy spirit) and the fact that you can shift a divine might cast around anywhere within your atonements actually breaks up the filler on occasion as well. Good IMO; it's not like PLD lost this attribute entirely, they just de-emphasized it back to around ShB levels.
As someone who mained PLD for ShB's savage raids and enjoyed it, this rework feels like a more fun and interesting version of that. Which is shocking to me, since I feel they've stumbled repeatedly on other class changes lately. Even the SMN rework, which I also enjoyed, felt like it was missing a layer of complexity. PLD doesn't give me that vibe at all; if anything it feels more interesting to play than the old version.
The only thing that feels decidedly off is that Expacion and Circle of Scorn are damage oGCDs with identical cooldowns and no other kit interaction to distinguish them. There is no circumstance in which you press one and not the other; they could be combined into one button and absolutely nothing would be lost while reducing button bloat. Why buttons like this remain while the class design team chops meaningful buttons from other classes (hi SAM) mystifies me. -
01-13-2023, 04:53 AMRithy255I mean you're not wrong in most cases you would be buffing your intervention but it shouldn't really need to require that gimmick to be on par with your own personal CD, while War and Gunbreaker actually get benefits from using it on a friend, I just don't feel like intervention is a needed in PLD's kit if we made Shellton targetable, save some much needed space without removing anything, now I wouldn't mind some things being removed but I feel like eitherway just getting intervention off the hotbar for exchange of Shelltron/holy shelltron having a small recast timer (2-3 seconds) and being able to still have it's nice double tank buster utility.Quote:
Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain
I mean it's something i don't really care all too much about but I had one too many buttons with bulwark so i had to move a lot around. -
01-13-2023, 04:56 AMaodhan_ofinnegainActually, that was a thing done in ShB, by tanks that actually had a clue what they were doing, long before bleeds where you would swap short mits with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gserpent
You say that, but I've seen plenty of people bitch about Rampart as a role action instead of every job having their own version, or people complained that 3 out of the 4, 30% mits were the exact same, and had no flavour apart from Warrior's Vengeance and its small potency spikes from physical attacks, so think you wrong on that account too. There was also people memeing on calling the reworked Veil, Shake it Off 2.0, even though Shake was a copy pasta of veil but slightly different, but people like to mis-remember things. -
01-13-2023, 05:01 AMaodhan_ofinnegainThere is also the thing where you wouldn't actually save any hotbar space since most still have at least a targetting macro on their hotbar for faster reactions than having to click the person like so:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rithy255
/ac "Intervention" <2>
/micon "Intervention"
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01-13-2023, 05:10 AMRithy255And it's useful to still have intervention not dedicated to a single target, I have a macro and the action both seperately so if I need to throw a intervention on the other tank I can just by pressing my keyboard without targeting, but I also have intervention on my hotbar so i can I use it on other party members if they need 1. Some mitigation 2. regen on a target to save a healer cd.Quote:
Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain
I'm pretty sure you should still keep a non macro version of intervention on your hotbar.
EDIT: also don't know what you're trying to accomplish by defending a ability that just takes up space, when I've explained how we could remove it and PLD would still be the same. -
01-13-2023, 05:13 AMaodhan_ofinnegainI have 6 macros at the job icon side of my party list from positions 3-8 so I can just click the macro if needed, and 2 in party list on my main bar since that will usually be my primary usage of Intervention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rithy255
Edit: personally I like Intervention as it is, and I do not see a reason for it to be removed, simple as that. -
01-13-2023, 05:19 AMRithy255Well it stands to reason not everyone has a Intervention macro on the side of their party list, I don't know why you like intervention as it is it's just holy shelltron for a friend my changes make it so holy shelltron is useable just like intervention on the target with no down sides. Most players still have intervention on their hotbars, it's like arguing that shield bash isn't bloat because I can take it off my hotbar.Quote:
Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain
I guess we're just going to talk in circles because you like it for the sake of it I guess? despite how I explained how it could easily just be removed without PLD changing in the slightest. -
01-13-2023, 06:09 AMGserpentThat was most certainly not a thing done by tanks in ShB because in ShB you just either invuln'd or just kitchen sink'd the tankbusters. You're talking out your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain
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01-13-2023, 06:23 AMaodhan_ofinnegaine1s, e2s, e3s, e9s, e10s, e11s and e12s, I guess in e7s also all had tankbusters where you couldn't always avail of invulns and was a benefit to swap swapping short mits, in one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gserpent
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01-13-2023, 07:50 AMVictorSpoilsCover really doesn't save people. The tank is standing away from everyone and even further from the fragile ranged classes. Even if they did buff the range, it'd still be risky since you're taking the damage a non-tank with vulnerability stacks would. The two-minute cooldown is also overkill when compounded with the range, cost, and mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corbeau
If Ranged Tank ever became a role somehow, PLD could probably fit that niche, but as of right now, the range on Holy Spirit is moot most of the time, especially with Requiescat being a melee attack. -
01-13-2023, 08:25 AMCorbeau
I have saved pulls with cover. More than a few incidents in e12s spring to mind. It's one of very few genuinely mistake-saving mechanics in the game.
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01-13-2023, 12:21 PMDoubleOneOne
After a few more days with the damage rotation I realize that arguing over rotations in a full uptime context is pointless. After a period of time people who learn the rotation will eventually call it boring and beg for changes, and people who don't will call it to 'jank'. In the end all nonRNG jobs will be like this.
But as I can tell by how this conversation has leaned more into PLD mitigation I understand that the 'fun' part of tanking is learning how and where to use mitigation it each fight. Having tools that aren't useful ALL the time whether that be due to cool down management or team positioning make tanks think about how to use them.
Rampart, Sentinel, and Reprisal need NO changes
The gauge mits... because they are all on effectively the same cool down, ignoring how dumb of a cooldown it is. That means if you buff 1 you are nerfing the other 2, and vise versa. Also because Cover is a 'sometimes' button that requires gauge let me ask a question. Why are you not using your gauge on sheltron on cooldown? Sure I said earlier that different mitigation timings fight to fight is good, but don't take that as me saying PLD exclusive Cover strats are a healthy thing for the game to allow. However, the big problem with the gauge is that in order to use 2 abilities you have to have it cap. So you either have to pick loose gauge, or loose a mit. It is also sad that Intervention is buffed rampart OR sentinel. It would be cool if you COULD stack them.
and now the hot takes
6.2 Veil would've been SOOO good with the current damage rotation. Being able to delay it till you next HS, or moving your HS to have it active at a specific point would've made filler no longer braindead. The new veil may as well just be called Reprisal II.
The only change that PoA could get that wouldn't make me be sad is adding a HoT or something for channeling it. The duration would probably have to be shortened, but that would make the idea of snapshotting it more clear. Complaining about it being a rear facing cone is an odd hill to die on. If it was a rectangle would that be better? What about a bubble? What about Reprisal III? If you don't want to learn how to late weave, or god forbid loss personal damage to mitigate you may need to look a different role.
Clemency is exclusively for unsynced and leveling content so it's balance is a dice roll on how much I care. -
01-13-2023, 07:25 PMMikey_ROptimally, you do, assuming you don't need the mitigation in the cooldown period.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleOneOne
You can lose gauge in the same way the other tank short cooldowns lose cooldown time if you don't use them on cooldown. If you know you are going to need it, you save it. Every tank has to deal with this, this is not unique.Quote:
Sure I said earlier that different mitigation timings fight to fight is good, but don't take that as me saying PLD exclusive Cover strats are a healthy thing for the game to allow. However, the big problem with the gauge is that in order to use 2 abilities you have to have it cap. So you either have to pick loose gauge, or loose a mit. It is also sad that Intervention is buffed rampart OR sentinel. It would be cool if you COULD stack them.
It could have been, however, think about the situations where you do not have a Divine Might buff but need to activate DV. Also, if you want to call it Reprisal 2, then I'm assuming you also call Shake it Off, Dark Missionary and Heart of Light Reprisal 2.Quote:
6.2 Veil would've been SOOO good with the current damage rotation. Being able to delay it till you next HS, or moving your HS to have it active at a specific point would've made filler no longer braindead. The new veil may as well just be called Reprisal II.
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01-13-2023, 08:32 PMWardream
I was somewhat scared about PLD rework. The first couple of days I felt if I wanna continue to be PLD main, but I'm getting the hang of it now. The only real thing about the rework I generally think is a little worse now, is the healing effect granted by Divine Veil.
Before, Divine Veil applied a heal, when its shield effect ran out either by damage or timer. Now it applies heal as soon as its activated. In most situations I see this as a wasted heal. Divine Veil is mainly used to provide a party-wide shield against party-wide attacks. And mostly this is done right before the attack, and very often party's hp is already high or full in these situations, especially if healer is good. Of course, in situations where there's several party-wides in a row, this works fine, but they are still relatively rare.
I think Divine Veil's healing effect would be more useful, if it is applied after the shield runs out, like it was before. But I do like now that the shield is applied instantly without the need for a GCD heal. -
01-13-2023, 08:36 PMRithy255I feel like it's a weird hill to be on defending janky and weird abilities for the sake of it being "unique" if you don't know Veil and passage are already "reprisal 2 & 3" just because with divine veil you had to meet some weird conditions to proc your ability doesn't make it "unique" in a good way, it makes it annoying and unappealing. Theirs really nothing unique in how it works, that isn't just a negative it's not like divine veil brought something to the table that Shake didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleOneOne
Passage of arms is another case of "just weave it as a cone" sure? ok but i much rather just click the passage of arms button and mitigate damage, PAO literally works like any other mitigation apart from the cone effect having to be this inconsistent "late weave" it's already reprisal 3, but a bit more annoying and situational to use theirs no benefits to the ability being a cone, You might like late weaving the animation because it feels "unique" but a lot of people just want to i don't know press the mitigation button? In organised play its less of a issue but in PF or just normal duties it's certainly not really the best to use it when half your team mates walk in font of you or the timer is inconsistent.
I know how to late weave it, I just don't see it as "unique" or fun, I like a lot about PLD I can dislike certain things about a Job but still overall enjoy it. -
01-13-2023, 11:04 PMCKNovel6.3 Veil remains better thanks to its instant effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleOneOne
You shouldn't have to mix your rotation and defensives.
If you want to name all mitigations "reprisal I, II, III", wait until you realise they're all named "mitigations".
They don't need to be unique, they need to be practical. 6.3 veil is much more practicable than 6.2 veil.
Then, reprisal needs a target to be effective, Veil doesn't need a target, which already makes a major difference in use.
You can argue and die on this hill if you want to, but 6.3 Veil is simply better than 6.2 Veil. -
01-14-2023, 10:45 AMDoubleOneOneDo you think mits are GCDs??? and that they break your combo? Do you think Vengeance is a bad thing to have in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
With ANY 6.3 PLD rotation you press a button that activates old veil every 15s at MOST for a 30s SHIELD(not mitigation), AKA available at any time. The problem isn't the fact you CAN instant cast it. Its that you can't press the button early for the pay off of a "shorter" cooldown.
The point I'm trying to make with calling them reprisal I, II, and III is that having limitations to your power is what makes the game fun. Would a 1 button damage rotation be fun? Cause it should as heck would be more practical. What about letting players use LB3 without a cool down? You'd kill bosses faster.
Also I don't think you noticed I am fine with reprisal being instant cast, BECAUSE it has the downside of needing a target. New veil's downside? it has 60s of downtime... How hard to work around. Oh wait you also have to be in range of everyone. Wait nvm it is an insane sized range in single combat. Every 6.2 PLD defensive tool had a downside like veil, sheltron and PoA having short durations when used correctly, intervention reprisal shirk and cover requiring a targeted, Clemency being a GCD.
6.3 Veil is not better hard stop. It is way easier to use, but that does NOT make it better. We no longer can use it EFFECTIVLY as many times before in a fight hard stop. You want instant cast, take it, but let me delay mine so I can cover both raidwides 31s-89s apart.
I can't wait for 6.4 when intervention and shirk can only be used on the person second in agro... :(