Should there be Exploration Dungeons just for Gatherers and Crafters?

Just something that's been raddling in my head for a while now. As a gatherer, we go in and explore old dungeons that are expanded to resemble those in a typical MMORPG, but its just for looking for rare plants, artifacts, strange fish/beasts, while avoiding traps and monsters that'll try to kill you and solving fun little puzzles and riddles to proceed further into said dungeons.

Think of Indiana Jones, Tome Raider and Uncharted.

Meanwhile, crafting classes are used to revitalize and make use of whatever you bring back out. So if you find and come out with a bunch of chunks of stone that turns out to be many pieces of an ancient statue, as a goldsmith, you or a friend restores it depending on how many pieces that are required to do so and then once its restored, it gives you a neat little journal entry or something in a explorers booklet you carry around telling you the history behind the restored statue. And on top of that, it could be used as a indoor/outdoor decoration for your house/apartment.

Thoughts?

sounds like WoW archaeology.

I mean decent idea, just not sure how viable would be as an implementation

As long as they are not in place of normal ones I say yes. I will never touch them but I see no reason why not.

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sounds like WoW archaeology

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Oh I think FF 14 can do better than THAT utter failure.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

sounds like WoW archaeology.

I mean decent idea, just not sure how viable would be as an implementation

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Viable? As in what kind of money you can make from it??? Or what useful items you could create from the feature that you can bring into trials and raids?

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

As long as they are not in place of normal ones I say yes. I will never touch them but I see no reason why not.

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Nah; nothing of the sort. It would be a way to furrher expand upon the lore of old dungeons that we've really only partially explored, plus it would be another new neat way to spend time finding rare stuff you can make into high powered potions are something or new furniture and lawn ornaments.

Also, I can see this as both solo and party content. So you can have fun with your friends and FC mates while exploring these exploration dungeons.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Oh I think FF 14 can do better than THAT utter failure.

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Don't entirely know about WoW's archeology system, but definitely FFXIV can do better. So ling as they don't go overboard with the complexity of things and keep things simple and fun. Lord of Verminion is a good example of what not do with a minion vs minion battle type game.

Can make some sense, though for some dungeons, I'm not sure how it'd work.
Like a Certain Home deep in the forest.
not so much sense the first time.<Cur-sed the second>
or a Once and done event/dungeon, that kinda has no sense to be able to relive it, once it's done due to the opponent/enemy being handled beforehand.

that said, I think if it was the home deep in the forest it makes sense to be able to harvest or reclaim and repair the damage of what was there(though we'd basically be looters/opportunists not that it's bad depending on the circumstance)

and the other example would force the devs to flesh out examples they used as stage props in that dungeon. if they plan to tell a story, or be able to craft something from what can be taken.

though for future dungeons and content.
if we have a lot more adventuring, it could make sense for a lot of dungeons or locations that have long since been abandoned.
<but there is a noticeable, yet small chunk of locations where there may be conflict if we do.>

great idea though over all if they do it right.
[Specially with already existing systems.
Miners cut/pick rock/hard surfaces to retrieve old/repairable materials. Botanists harvest any possible exotic nature. Fishers reel in as usual. And crafters could technically remove parts. though anything else from actual mobs will stick to the normal version of the dungeon]

Only if I get a bite of that borger

I like the idea. It would be nice to get DoH and DoL content that doesn't all focus around just sitting and crafting or running around from node to node gathering. EQII did something very similar with its tradeskill system with missions.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

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Maybe certain old dungeons like Haukke Manor could be designated as a site in need a restoration and refurbished into something else. Think of the Ishgardian and Doman Restoration. That's how places like Hauke Manor coild be handled. Plus, Haukke Manor isn't technically owned by anybody at the moment, unless Lady Amedine has any relatives in the area willing to inherit her cursed manor.

The Elder Seedseer could petition help in restoring Haukke Manor to its fotmer glory to ready and willikg adventurers. And whatever we find in there is ours to keep, while they work to purifty and banish any remaining voidsent that still remain in the manor.

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

Only if I get a bite of that borger

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Sure! Here you go. :3

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I like the idea. It would be nice to get DoH and DoL content that doesn't all focus around just sitting and crafting or running around from node to node gathering. EQII did something very similar with its tradeskill system with missions.

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It would be a nice game changer. I'm not sure what EQ2 is but it seems like something Yoshi-P and his crew should be looking at for some inspiration. ;3

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I like the idea. It would be nice to get DoH and DoL content that doesn't all focus around just sitting and crafting or running around from node to node gathering. EQII did something very similar with its tradeskill system with missions.

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Those tradeskill missions were there as a way to get alt currency, faction and have people engage in some group content. The focus was crafting with minimal gathering and not using any of your personal resources. XIV already has plenty of that going on with tribes and deliveries.

XIV crafting and gathering already has a ton of options. Using dungeons for crafting and gathering wouldn't add much other than aesthetics. The core process is still the same. If you want a change of scenery, take yourself out into the open world areas. There are plenty of safe spots to craft.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Those tradeskill missions were there as a way to get alt currency, faction and have people engage in some group content. The focus was crafting with minimal gathering and not using any of your personal resources. XIV already has plenty of that going on with tribes and deliveries.

XIV crafting and gathering already has a ton of options. Using dungeons for crafting and gathering wouldn't add much other than aesthetics. The core process is still the same. If you want a change of scenery, take yourself out into the open world areas. There are plenty of safe spots to craft.

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The problem with crafting outside of city hubs is losing access to your retainers, which would be holding a vast majority of your crafting materials.

If the devs could figure out how to let us auto access our retainer's inventory for whatever we need without actually needing to call them in order to manual take whatever we need from them, than this problem would be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

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The problem with crafting outside of city hubs is losing access to your retainers, which would be holding a vast majority of your crafting materials.

If the devs could figure out how to let us auto access our retainer's inventory for whatever we need without actually needing to call them in order to manual take whatever we need from them, than this problem would be fixed.

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They're not likely to do that. It's easy enough to just pack your bags and go somewhere. A little inventory management goes a long way. I like to keep all the top tier materials in my saddlebag, so I can easily craft those recipes.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Maybe certain old dungeons like Haukke Manor could be designated as a site in need a restoration and refurbished into something else. Think of the Ishgardian and Doman Restoration. That's how places like Hauke Manor coild be handled. Plus, Haukke Manor isn't technically owned by anybody at the moment, unless Lady Amedine has any relatives in the area willing to inherit her cursed manor.

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Rowena: That's feel real estate.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

It would be a nice game changer. I'm not sure what EQ2 is but it seems like something Yoshi-P and his crew should be looking at for some inspiration. ;3

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Sorry, EQ2 was EverQuest II and was Sony Online Entertainment's (now it's like Daybreak Games) sequel to EverQuest that took place 500 years later down an alternate timeline.

And Deveryn, a change of scenery doesn't change that you're just sitting around endlessly grinding crafts. EQII's mission system wasn't overly complicated (what do you expect from a game from 2004) but it did try to make the activity a little more active.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Sorry, EQ2 was EverQuest II and was Sony Online Entertainment's (now it's like Daybreak Games) sequel to EverQuest that took place 500 years later down an alternate timeline.

And Deveryn, a change of scenery doesn't change that you're just sitting around endlessly grinding crafts. EQII's mission system wasn't overly complicated (what do you expect from a game from 2004) but it did try to make the activity a little more active.

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You still sat around grinding crafts. Maybe you dodged a few mobs here and there to get the items needed. It wasn't all that exciting and the novelty wore off rather quickly. It became a grind for status and Far Seas tokens.

My main points:
Everything being asked for here has more or less been covered elsewhere in the game.
There's little to be done to make something like crafting more engaging.

You can put all the trappings you want on it. In the end, you're still gonna take a knee and do that same routine. If you want to go on an adventure, there are plenty of adventures out there.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Just something that's been raddling in my head for a while now. As a gatherer, we go in and explore old dungeons that are expanded to resemble those in a typical MMORPG, but its just for looking for rare plants, artifacts, strange fish/beasts, while avoiding traps and monsters that'll try to kill you and solving fun little puzzles and riddles to proceed further into said dungeons.

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My gut reaction is "no", but that's mostly because I feel like any system along those lines... you'd want the materials to be useful for something. But if they're useful for something that confers some sort of meaningful game advantage, the Gatherer dungeons become functionally mandatory. (At least, given the way we as a player community tend to approach things.)

So you want something useful to do with what you gather -- something that draws people back in more than once, instead of just ticking 'well, I collected that' off of a checklist. But you want it not to be so useful than it becomes mandatory in some way.

I feel like that's the key problem that needs to be solved first. I actually like the idea, mind you; it's just that that feels like a pretty key element to be lacking.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

They're not likely to do that. It's easy enough to just pack your bags and go somewhere. A little inventory management goes a long way. I like to keep all the top tier materials in my saddlebag, so I can easily craft those recipes.

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I spent the third Eden raid tier doing my food/pot crafting on top of Kugane Tower, for some godsforsaken reason. I definitely got in the habit of keeping the current tier crafting mats in my saddlebag. ;P

(Terrifyingly, I was not the only one; there were about four of us up there doing that. Two are still on my friends list!)

I don't know about solo crafter dungeons, but I had an idea awhile ago to create "Ocean Fishing" versions of events for the Miner and the Botanist.

A gold mining company out of Uldah hiring day labor for mining their new mine with variable cave locations based on the time of day.

Similarly a deep forest tour out of Girdania with variable clearings to harvest things from with the same 2 hour tour schedule as "Ocean Fishing" tours.

Since there are no baits for these gathering classes I would suggest using a select-able tool interface similar to the former jigs the fisher used. The three for miner could be trowel, pick-axe, hammer or dynamite for specific mining returns. And the three for botanist could be gardening shears, handsaw, and Axe or Hatchet for specific botany returns.

I mean we got Diadem and Island Sanctuary and its so much fun to gather in a instance... Totally evolves it into just more of the same gathering.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Oh I think FF 14 can do better than THAT utter failure.

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NOOOO, don't badmouth archaeology! Honestly, I know many people hated it, but I loved archaeology. Never got my Destroyer of Worlds, though, for shame!

*No one remembers 1.0's hamlet defense mode*
Eh, that's about right. Though I don't trust the current devs to make something that fun. lol

Sounds awful. Gathering is a nice downtime activity that is something I do whenever there is a short amount of time between other things. Having to sit in a dedicated instance just to gather wasn't particularly fun in the Diadem and it won't be fun in some random dungeon.

I'd love something different, right now I'm just finishing maxing out the last 3 of my crafters and seeing some of the ingredients requiring maps of all things is a bit disappointing. Having something dedicated to crafters/gatherers would be awesome

I mean... dont we have one already? Daidem...

The current Diadem is built on top of the Original Diadem, where those rare plants and ores were collected in the same space that monsters were being killed. So, it's been done before. Wasn't particularly successful until the repurposing for the Ishgardian Restoration.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*No one remembers 1.0's hamlet defense mode*

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Eh... I mean, I think hamlet defense was a really neat idea, but I feel like it wasn't a great implementation. It never felt -- to me, at least -- like you could really just do it "on a whim"; there was never any "I think I'll just go do a quick bit of hamlet defense", it was "we've got a bit more than two RL days to shore this up, and then about an RL day of it being under constant assault". The DoH/DoL side of it felt to me like grind for the sake of grind... just with an added "do it within this time limit". (And I will cynically note I felt like the "meld materia onto gear and then turn the gear in to the quartermaster" option struck me as being primarily a way to artificially drain materia from the player economy.)

There's maybe an argument to be made that something similar -- where DoH/DoL and DoW/DoM jobs all have a role to play in achieving some bigger goal -- would be really cool; that I'd agree with fairly readily. I'm just not sure I agree that hamlet defense is the model to pull from.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

They're not likely to do that. It's easy enough to just pack your bags and go somewhere. A little inventory management goes a long way. I like to keep all the top tier materials in my saddlebag, so I can easily craft those recipes.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I spent the third Eden raid tier doing my food/pot crafting on top of Kugane Tower, for some godsforsaken reason. I definitely got in the habit of keeping the current tier crafting mats in my saddlebag. ;P

(Terrifyingly, I was not the only one; there were about four of us up there doing that. Two are still on my friends list!)

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I tend to keep the basic essentials on my character for crafting, though you both have a point. Its just such a pain in the arse to get all my other essential crafting material organized and ready for use. Mosty because of all the crafters classes I havr unlocked, but I know that's no excuse. x'3

Never thought to go to places like atop of Kugane Tower to craft, lol! I tend to always forget something I need for crafting, I tend to stick near the summoning bell.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Rowena: That's feel real estate.

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Oh no... xD

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Sorry, EQ2 was EverQuest II and was Sony Online Entertainment's (now it's like Daybreak Games) sequel to EverQuest that took place 500 years later down an alternate timeline.

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Its no problem; thanks for the explanation. Though why does EQ2 take pkace in a different timeline. Did something happen in the original EQ to cause some sort of time split?

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

My gut reaction is "no", but that's mostly because I feel like any system along those lines... you'd want the materials to be useful for something. But if they're useful for something that confers some sort of meaningful game advantage, the Gatherer dungeons become functionally mandatory. (At least, given the way we as a player community tend to approach things.)

So you want something useful to do with what you gather -- something that draws people back in more than once, instead of just ticking 'well, I collected that' off of a checklist. But you want it not to be so useful than it becomes mandatory in some way.

I feel like that's the key problem that needs to be solved first. I actually like the idea, mind you; it's just that that feels like a pretty key element to be lacking.

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Then maybe it can be stuff that purely cosmetic. Furniture, glamour, miniins, mounts All of which is only obtainable by going through exploration dungeons as a gatherer and crafting. Would that fix things and keep a healthy amount of people to keep coming back to exploration dungeons? :o

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Originally Posted by Ryvick

I don't know about solo crafter dungeons, but I had an idea awhile ago to create "Ocean Fishing" versions of events for the Miner and the Botanist.

A gold mining company out of Uldah hiring day labor for mining their new mine with variable cave locations based on the time of day.

Similarly a deep forest tour out of Girdania with variable clearings to harvest things from with the same 2 hour tour schedule as "Ocean Fishing" tours.

Since there are no baits for these gathering classes I would suggest using a select-able tool interface similar to the former jigs the fisher used. The three for miner could be trowel, pick-axe, hammer or dynamite for specific mining returns. And the three for botanist could be gardening shears, handsaw, and Axe or Hatchet for specific botany returns.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*No one remembers 1.0's hamlet defense mode*
Eh, that's about right. Though I don't trust the current devs to make something that fun. lol

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Don't know why the devs never thought of bringing this back. All the expansions have the perfect themes for this kind of content. Plus it would make the world outside the city hubs feel more alive. :/