Concern over memoria crystal being brought over to the Source...

Should we be concerned that the WoL brought back a crystal containing the soul (and some aether) of a being that *hates* being cooped up? What if it starts to absorb ambient aether like our new friend, can it break out?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dagget

Should we be concerned that the WoL brought back a crystal containing the soul (and some aether) of a being that *hates* being cooped up? What if it starts to absorb ambient aether like our new friend, can it break out?

---

I believe it was mentioned that undoing memoria crystals is not a known possibility atm. Perhaps in the future that will change, but for now I think the risk is held to be minimal. Unless of course there’s something we don’t know.

Yes, but we (and probably our friend) have never taken one out into an aether-rich world. Also possible they know the answer and it fits with their long range plans.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EaraGrace

I believe it was mentioned that undoing memoria crystals is not a known possibility atm. Perhaps in the future that will change, but for now I think the risk is held to be minimal. Unless of course there’s something we don’t know.

---

In addition, it seems sealing aether in the form of a memoria isn't simply trapping a soul inside a crystal similar to what happens with the ascians and auracites. Instead, it's a stasis form of aether where it's crystallized.
While this explanation is pure speculation, it does explain where the crystal came from, how it works, and probably why it can't be reversed by known means.

Assuming the trial for 6.5 is all 4 elemental fiends together, I'm gonna guess that it will be explained in the future.

I'm mostly curious about the origin of the power memoriates possess, because it was described as a "blessing" and its ability to induce stasis in aether is a quality associated with light.

Perhaps it was a more direct form of intervention on Hydaelyn's part back before the Rejoinings weakened her, as it's mentioned they conveniently only started appearing after the Ascians showed up and started teaching people how to summon primals.

I think it's incredibly short-sighted for the gang to bring anything back from the void to the Source, including Zero. Red flags everywhere.

In our defense, not only is it extremely unlikely that Scarmiglione can suddenly bust out of there against all evidence... well, what's gonna be waiting for him if he does? He pops out of the crystal in full, non-contracted form on the Source, only to realize very quickly that his main combat advantage is totally shot: he can die permanently now. And let's be honest, going by the fact he was just a dungeon boss, it might not even be all that hard to kill him.

Barbariccia's got a bit more of a chance, but I don't know how much of her power is literally tied up in her beloved mobile domain, rather than her just liking to do that. If it's the former, she might well be just as screwed as Scarm.

Wasn't it said that the crystals were specifically made to slowly release aether of whatever has been sealed which would eventually corrupt the person holding it?

WoL is safe since he still got Venat's ward/ Blessing of Light, but who knows about Zero or any other civilian. Although the corrupting influence might have only applied to sealed Primals, who knows if crystalized Voidsent can do something similar.

We don't know that memoriate-created crystals and auracite are one and the same.

Until then, I think treating them as if they are isn't proper.

The auracite in the Ivalice raids doesn’t seem to quite match the memoria crystals, but a Chekhov’s Gun of power leakage corruption seems likely. With similarities to Final Steps of Faith.

The implication that the "auracite" that Unukalhai said corrupted the champions of the Thirteenth is the memoria is not only directly stated, but one of the brief flashes of images as we're told of the past has one memoriate holding a crystal aloft while monsters attack from behind if I remember correctly, which implies that the memoria corruption still happened. The strange thing is that Zero mentions them being corrupted more as them abusing their power rather than influenced by the primal (eidolon) energies leaking from the crystalsk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

The implication that the "auracite" that Unukalhai said corrupted the champions of the Thirteenth is the memoria is not only directly stated, but one of the brief flashes of images as we're told of the past has one memoriate holding a crystal aloft while monsters attack from behind if I remember correctly, which implies that the memoria corruption still happened. The strange thing is that Zero mentions them being corrupted more as them abusing their power rather than influenced by the primal (eidolon) energies leaking from the crystalsk

---

Your last sentence could be the hint though that they are not the same. We could have two different crystal types on our hands The ones that leaked which may have come from the Ascians themselves (seeing how they loved to manipulate) to battle against those WoL who might have otherwise won. And then we would have the memoria crystal which was basically just a powerful weapon used by those that wanted to conquer.

Anyway even if the memoria crystal is not the one that leaked corruption it could still lead to disaster on the source. If those are getting into the wrong hands they could lead to bloodshet and some new kind of summonings. I really dont like that we took them with us...at the same time we at least still have them in our possession right now, so nobody else should use them against us at the moment.

If they weren't the same I don't think the writers would have Y'shtola even mention the auracite. And I mean, both of them were used by heroes to seal away Primals/Eidolons then use those sealed Primals' powers. It's easier for me to believe Zero that the crystal just had different names in different parts of the world, rather than two different crystals that both did the exact same thing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

If they weren't the same I don't think the writers would have Y'shtola even mention the auracite. And I mean, both of them were used by heroes to seal away Primals/Eidolons then use those sealed Primals' powers. It's easier for me to believe Zero that the crystal just had different names in different parts of the world, rather than two different crystals that both did the exact same thing.

---

Maybe the Auracite are the versions of the Memoria crystals that the Ascians changed so that they would corrupt the people wielding them. After all even if Zero herself might have been shielded by the effect because she was never a full human anyway (and that is pure speculation on my side), her mother used her power for quite some time with seemingly no problems.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alleo

Maybe the Auracite are the versions of the Memoria crystals that the Ascians changed so that they would corrupt the people wielding them. After all even if Zero herself might have been shielded by the effect because she was never a full human anyway (and that is pure speculation on my side), her mother used her power for quite some time with seemingly no problems.

---

But wouldn't the fact that she was tainted in the womb into being "part" voidsent imply that the memoria were already leaking eidolon essences before she was born, given her mother was a memoriate?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

But wouldn't the fact that she was tainted in the womb into being "part" voidsent imply that the memoria were already leaking eidolon essences before she was born, given her mother was a memoriate?

---

In addition to this, Zero literally tells us that the memoriates were swayed by the power inside the memoria and started using it to spread darkness. That's the same thing Unukalhai said back in HW.

Could be the plan. Have the Voidsent too powerful to travel via portal to the Source be trapped in crystal. Crystal gets taken to Source and they can then bust out and feast on aether.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Necrotica

Could be the plan. Have the Voidsent too powerful to travel via portal to the Source be trapped in crystal. Crystal gets taken to Source and they can then bust out and feast on aether.

---

Maybe plot-induced stupidity will make the WoL leave or drop a Memoria crystal where an npc will pick it up and be controlled or corrupted and open up a voidgate

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by myahele

Maybe plot-induced stupidity will make the WoL leave or drop a Memoria crystal where an npc will pick it up and be controlled or corrupted and open up a voidgate

---

I have done nothing but throw sources of power into the chasm around Ishgard for 3 expansions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

But wouldn't the fact that she was tainted in the womb into being "part" voidsent imply that the memoria were already leaking eidolon essences before she was born, given her mother was a memoriate?

---

I guess it could have been the crystal. Or the darkness came from the summoned beings. Hopefully we get an answer to that in the future.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Necrotica

Could be the plan. Have the Voidsent too powerful to travel via portal to the Source be trapped in crystal. Crystal gets taken to Source and they can then bust out and feast on aether.

---

But because we take their bodies to the Source, they essentially become mortal, due to the fact that we HAVE a Lifestream there. A death with their original body on the Source could equal them forcibly dragged into the Lifestream, something that couldn't happen on the 13th because they don't really have a proper one there. Or at least that's how I'd write it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

But because we take their bodies to the Source, they essentially become mortal, due to the fact that we HAVE a Lifestream there. A death with their original body on the Source could equal them forcibly dragged into the Lifestream, something that couldn't happen on the 13th because they don't really have a proper one there. Or at least that's how I'd write it.

---

I really hope that dying cleanse their souls, or else we might have a few problems down there.
Between Pandaemonium and the prophecy in the Studium, the lifestream really don't need dead voidsents infecting it.

But i guess it's fine if it's only a couple of voidsents being send there.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

I really hope that dying cleanse their souls, or else we might have a few problems down there.
Between Pandaemonium and the prophecy in the Studium, the lifestream really don't need dead voidsents infecting it.

But i guess it's fine if it's only a couple of voidsents being send there.

---

Considering it can cleanse Zodiark's Tempering and handle the souls of Ancients (so far), I'm pretty sure it can handle voidsent.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kranel_San

In addition, it seems sealing aether in the form of a memoria isn't simply trapping a soul inside a crystal similar to what happens with the ascians and auracites. Instead, it's a stasis form of aether where it's crystallized.
While this explanation is pure speculation, it does explain where the crystal came from, how it works, and probably why it can't be reversed by known means.

---

May also tie into why Hydaelyn’s crystal reacted to Zero. Her powers are umbral in nature, maybe even light-based.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

But because we take their bodies to the Source, they essentially become mortal, due to the fact that we HAVE a Lifestream there. A death with their original body on the Source could equal them forcibly dragged into the Lifestream, something that couldn't happen on the 13th because they don't really have a proper one there. Or at least that's how I'd write it.

---

Well they all desperately want to come here, so they clearly think it is worth the risk.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Necrotica

Well they all desperately want to come here, so they clearly think it is worth the risk.

---

They ARE kind of stuck in a fate worse than death. Eat or get eaten, only come back when the thing that has eaten you has been destroyed temporarily, and the thing that ate you may get EATEN by you. A true death on the Source would be a mercy.

It should also be noted that, while there's a lot of voidsent that do want to come to the Source, pretty much the only exceptions we've actually met are the ones that we crystallized. Scar and Barb seemed pretty happy terrorizing the Void, and while we know Golbez has greater plans, they seem more conquest-y.