Did SE finally killed Windows 7?

I know that support had already been dropped a couple of years ago, but it seems that the latest update has completely killed/blocked Windows 7 64bit from being able to log in to the game.

I know i'm probably alone in this seeing as most people had already caved in and moved to Windows 10 years ago. I'm still one of the few who are still on 7 (will use 7 till the wheels fall off).

Anyways, just want to ask any other Windows 7 64bit users (assuming there's any here) if they can't log in either?

Yeah it's in the patch notes

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/91ca242abdbf0750db28d01f4f38d27c3aea617b

Yes, the patch notes says that older versions of TLS were dropped completely, preventing people from playing on Windows 7. We were given a lot of warning about this in live letters and probably other locations for months/years.

I don't really follow the live letters or FF14 news supper closely like that. According to the Patch notes only TLS 1.0/1.1 seem to be blocked?

Weird Windows 64bit supports TLS 1.2. After checking my Internet Settings I can clearly see that TLS 1.2 is clearly checked on. My guess is that SE just simply decided to block Windows 7 regardless if it can use TLS 1.2 or not.

Oh, it clarifies that it's only Windows 7 32-bit that is affected, so 64-bit should be fine.

dunno if it'll help you, but this link has been getting passed around among other w7 users. maybe give it a read.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._on_windows_7/
probably not much you can do though, yeah. good luck regardless.

windows 7 has been outdated for awhile its time to upgrade

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

windows 7 has been outdated for awhile its time to upgrade

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Ahhh the classic "It's time to upgrade" comment whenever someone runs into a problem with Windows 7 haha. Aside from this error (not being able to log in to the game anymore) Windows 7 64Bit has always worked perfectly for me. However I do agree with that sentiment. As PC hardware sales man I would never encourage any of my customers to use such an old OS on their new PC's. I simply use Windows 7 for my own personal niche reasons.

Avoidy, I will give that thread a read, thank you.

It feels like not so long ago, Windows 7 came out and Windows XP was considered to be the old school. It's still considered the old school but you get what I mean.

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Originally Posted by DiasFlacOg

Ahhh the classic "It's time to upgrade" comment whenever someone runs into a problem with Windows 7 haha. Aside from this error (not being able to log in to the game anymore) Windows 7 64Bit has always worked perfectly for me. However I do agree with that sentiment. As PC hardware sales man I would never encourage any of my customers to use such an old OS on their new PC's. I simply use Windows 7 for my own personal niche reasons.

Avoidy, I will give that thread a read, thank you.

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Windows 98 was perfect for me but we can't cling to the past.

True gamers use Windows Vista, the beta version.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

windows 7 has been outdated for awhile its time to upgrade

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Tbh at this point I feel like new OS are '' updates '' lol.
They're just becoming more convoluted and feel more and more like Ipad OS.
I am having more issues on Windows 10 than I remember having on any of the old ones too.

Waiting for the day they drop PS4 support, that'll start bigger discussions on the forums.

Can confirm, the Easy Fix linked to through that Reddit page was indeed easy and a fix.

They'll have to drag me kicking and screaming into the modern age.



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I don't know how well this analogy translates, but maybe some will get it. I think of Win7 as the last of the diesel engines made before tightening emissions regulations, with modern electronically-controlled fuel systems to provide good power, economy, and reliability. Sure it's got 12,000 hours and burns a little oil, but overhaul kits are cheap and it won't leave me stuck in limp mode with a plugged DPF or faulty DEF quality sensor. It's hard to get rid of something that just works and doesn't complain.

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The problem is, switching back from 10 or 11 to 7 would be an upgrade. Without any special exclusive things like DirectX 12 or Direct Storage 10 or 11 are way slower than 7. Windows 7 was also predictable, 10 and 11 are not. I had two identical PCs with an identical patch level. I ran Windows Update and one PC got some new updates, the other PC did not. And i have no clue why. Two days later the other PC got the updates too. Such behavior was not there on Windows 7. If there were new updates then the PC got them instantly.

So i can fully understand why the people refuse to install Windows 10 or 11.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

The problem is, switching back from 10 or 11 to 7 would be an upgrade. Without any special exclusive things like DirectX 12 or Direct Storage 10 or 11 are way slower than 7. Windows 7 was also predictable, 10 and 11 are not. I had two identical PCs with an identical patch level. I ran Windows Update and one PC got some new updates, the other PC did not. And i have no clue why. Two days later the other PC got the updates too. Such behavior was not there on Windows 7. If there were new updates then the PC got them instantly.

So i can fully understand why the people refuse to install Windows 10 or 11.


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I really hate how I have to keep my Windows 10 up to date in terms of updates. Otherwise, a single or a couple of updates will make the system much slower as a result for unknown reasons, and this happen on my laptop and PC but never ever did when I had Windows 7.

I can't wait for Windows 13, which will be a hallway and people will hate it, only to develop a cult following in the next decade.

Kupo, 1337 players run raids with only terminals open and scripts kupo <3 jk

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Originally Posted by Johners

Waiting for the day they drop PS4 support, that'll start bigger discussions on the forums.

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Waited it since 2015 it was announced

Windows 7 security issues? You fools. I'm behind 7 proxies and 90 alternative twitter accounts.

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Kupo, 1337 players run raids with only terminals open and scripts kupo <3 jk

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Yepp, Final Fantasy on an IBM mainframe rocks! :D


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Waited it since 2015 it was announced

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Probably gonna have to wait until 2025

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Originally Posted by Johners

Waiting for the day they drop PS4 support, that'll start bigger discussions on the forums.

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They won't. FFXIV will always be supported by PS4; After FFXVI is over they'll start (or continue) the groundwork for the next FF MMO that won't support PS4, but FFXIV always will.

Also, lol "discussions."

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

It feels like not so long ago, Windows 7 came out and Windows XP was considered to be the old school. It's still considered the old school but you get what I mean.

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I will forever love Win 3.5. Yes I’m that old

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

The problem is, switching back from 10 or 11 to 7 would be an upgrade. Without any special exclusive things like DirectX 12 or Direct Storage 10 or 11 are way slower than 7. Windows 7 was also predictable, 10 and 11 are not. I had two identical PCs with an identical patch level. I ran Windows Update and one PC got some new updates, the other PC did not. And i have no clue why. Two days later the other PC got the updates too. Such behavior was not there on Windows 7. If there were new updates then the PC got them instantly.

So i can fully understand why the people refuse to install Windows 10 or 11.


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Haha. Windows 7 is def an upgrade compared to 10 and especially 11 (don't get me started and that garbage). Hell I still recommend 10 to every new customer I get at my store. I don't like 10 but it's not that bad. I use it daily at work. I mainly like 7 for my OWN PERSONAL niche reasons.

I do agree that 99% of PC users should be on 10 though especially if you are new to PC's or you are simply just a casual PC user.

For anyone who's wondering yes you can still run modern PC hardware on Windows 764bit and it runs great (by modern I mean 3080ti). No windows store bloatware, no apple style apps, no BS, just good ole' classic windows. The only "problem" with 7 is the lack of directx12 support. So you can't take advantage of Nvidia DLSS, Raytracing etc etc. But if you don't care about those features Windows 7 is perfect.

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Originally Posted by DiasFlacOg

Ahhh the classic "It's time to upgrade" comment whenever someone runs into a problem with Windows 7 haha. Aside from this error (not being able to log in to the game anymore) Windows 7 64Bit has always worked perfectly for me. However I do agree with that sentiment. As PC hardware sales man I would never encourage any of my customers to use such an old OS on their new PC's. I simply use Windows 7 for my own personal niche reasons.

Avoidy, I will give that thread a read, thank you.

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There is literally zero excuse to still be on Windows 7. That OS is end of life. It is no longer receiving security updates and its a massive security hole for any software utilizing it. Stop being stubborn and upgrade to your OS.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

The problem is, switching back from 10 or 11 to 7 would be an upgrade. Without any special exclusive things like DirectX 12 or Direct Storage 10 or 11 are way slower than 7.


Cheers

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This is blatantly false. Win10 and 11 use less resources than Win7 does.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

They won't. FFXIV will always be supported by PS4; After FFXVI is over they'll start (or continue) the groundwork for the next FF MMO that won't support PS4, but FFXIV always will.

Also, lol "discussions."

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Erm? They will absolutely drop support for PS4 just like they did with the PS3. 7.0 is getting a lot of graphical overhauls and I fully expect PS4 support to drop with 7.0 especially with consoles being one of the biggest limitations to the game which will be way less of an issue with the PS5.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I am having more issues on Windows 10 than I remember having on any of the old ones too.

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Every time I see comments like this I can't help but wonder what people are doing to their computers. While I'm not a fan of some of the systems they put in newer Windows, I have had no problems with Win10. I think people just install garbage programs and over time it just borks their system. That or just run weird hardware that has unstable software or drivers.

But yeah, 5 different computers (3 desktops and 2 laptops) all completely different hardware and never had a problem on any of them.

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Every time I see comments like this I can't help but wonder what people are doing to their computers. While I'm not a fan of some of the systems they put in newer Windows, I have had no problems with Win10. I think people just install garbage programs and over time it just borks their system. That or just run weird hardware that has unstable software or drivers.

But yeah, 5 different computers (3 desktops and 2 laptops) all completely different hardware and never had a problem on any of them.

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My early days in IT were nightmare fuel seeing the level of garbage some people install on their PC's lol. Malwarebytes was a Godsend.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

dunno if it'll help you, but this link has been getting passed around among other w7 users. maybe give it a read.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._on_windows_7/
probably not much you can do though, yeah. good luck regardless.

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Yes, read that and follow the instructions for how to enable TLS1.2 on Windows 7. Doing that should be enough to get ffxiv working with w7 for a while longer.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

They won't. FFXIV will always be supported by PS4; After FFXVI is over they'll start (or continue) the groundwork for the next FF MMO that won't support PS4, but FFXIV always will.

Also, lol "discussions."

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Given that they dropped PS3 support for 14 just before Stormblood launched plus 11 had it's PS2/X360 versions dropped also, Square Enix have a track record of keeping existing MMOs going and dropping older console platforms. I don't see why they'd start again also given how much time/money launching a new MMO would require, you'd have no choice but to phase out PS4 support for 14 at some point before Sony cut off the ability to sell new games/DLC on that platform (which they've done for all their older consoles already).

It's ultimately just a question of whether or not it happens in 7.0 or 8.0. Given that they've already mentioned doing various graphical improvements across the entire game world, likely to start in 7.0, I'd say that's a good starting point for removing or at least signalling the end of PS4 support. If they go with 7.0, which is likely to be 23Q4 or 24Q1 based on the current patch cycle, the PS5 would've been on the market long enough for enough people to have upgraded.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

They won't. FFXIV will always be supported by PS4; After FFXVI is over they'll start (or continue) the groundwork for the next FF MMO that won't support PS4, but FFXIV always will.

Also, lol "discussions."

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They'll drop PS4 just like they did with PS3. Sony has already announced that this is the final year they will produce the thing.

PS5 version is vastly superior and is better than a good percentage of the game's mid-tier PC players.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Every time I see comments like this I can't help but wonder what people are doing to their computers. While I'm not a fan of some of the systems they put in newer Windows, I have had no problems with Win10. I think people just install garbage programs and over time it just borks their system. That or just run weird hardware that has unstable software or drivers.

But yeah, 5 different computers (3 desktops and 2 laptops) all completely different hardware and never had a problem on any of them.

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My PC is clean thank you, I never said that I am having a lot of issues.
But I think Windows 10 has far more annoyances and is less stable.

Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others haven't either.
I use both Photoshop and Zbrush for work and I've noticed more instability, it's also not only about software hardware can also play a part.
Even with the same hardware and same software installed you can still run into issues while another doesn't it's never the same.

Windows updates are also quite infamous for screwing with tablet drivers, and I've definitely noticed more issues with Win10 updates in that regard too.

I guess an upgrade is due, but it doesn't feel like one. Work around seems to have done the trick and now I can log in fine and reinstall the entire game because I tried literally everything before checking here including the uninstall -_-

Long live windows 7, the last windows to not be designed by a moron and skim all your data for advertising purposes. May you rest well.

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My PC is clean thank you, I never said that I am having a lot of issues.
But I think Windows 10 has far more annoyances and is less stable.

Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others haven't either.
I use both Photoshop and Zbrush for work and I've noticed more instability, it's also not only about software hardware can also play a part.
Even with the same hardware and same software installed you can still run into issues while another doesn't it's never the same.

Windows updates are also quite infamous for screwing with tablet drivers, and I've definitely noticed more issues with Win10 updates in that regard too.

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Is it clean though? You can't actually know that unfortunately, as the amount of unpatched, actively used exploits that are most likely undetectable by whatever "virus scanner" you're using likely number in at least the hundreds, if not thousands. Win10 has been stable for years, I've never ever had any issues with tablet drivers on any platform, and gods I would never accept any files from someone running 7 in a professional setting. Use of outdated, vulnerable software is not something I would expect, or even tolerate from a professional I do business with. Yes, 10 was shakey in the beginning (7 was shite too, if you remember), yes, it's fixed now (that MS's evil gaze is cast upon win11 users) Win10 is now in that sweet spot that you all seem to think 7 still is (it is not).

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Long live windows 7, the last windows to not be designed by a moron and skim all your data for advertising purposes. May you rest well.

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Throw your phone in the water, delete your social media and turn off your internet. Oh btw, windows 7 also uses telemetry data to send system information. I'll never understand why people are so hesitant to upgrade their OS, especially when the one they are on are obsolete and no longer being updated outside of windows defender which will stop getting update in Jan 2023 so exploits and other issues will never get patched and software updates will slowly reach the point of ending support on the older OS. Update your damn OS.

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Erm? They will absolutely drop support for PS4 just like they did with the PS3. 7.0 is getting a lot of graphical overhauls and I fully expect PS4 support to drop with 7.0 especially with consoles being one of the biggest limitations to the game which will be way less of an issue with the PS5.

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Originally Posted by Johners

Given that they dropped PS3 support for 14 just before Stormblood launched plus 11 had it's PS2/X360 versions dropped also, Square Enix have a track record of keeping existing MMOs going and dropping older console platforms. I don't see why they'd start again also given how much time/money launching a new MMO would require, you'd have no choice but to phase out PS4 support for 14 at some point before Sony cut off the ability to sell new games/DLC on that platform (which they've done for all their older consoles already).

It's ultimately just a question of whether or not it happens in 7.0 or 8.0. Given that they've already mentioned doing various graphical improvements across the entire game world, likely to start in 7.0, I'd say that's a good starting point for removing or at least signalling the end of PS4 support. If they go with 7.0, which is likely to be 23Q4 or 24Q1 based on the current patch cycle, the PS5 would've been on the market long enough for enough people to have upgraded.

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They'll drop PS4 just like they did with PS3. Sony has already announced that this is the final year they will produce the thing.

PS5 version is vastly superior and is better than a good percentage of the game's mid-tier PC players.

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First, PS5s STILL aren't readily available. Dropping PS4 at 7.0 would be really really really really stupid. Not that they haven't made stupid decisions in the past.

Second, PS4 isn't even holding back the game right now, Lower end PCs are ultimately what are holding back the game (well, the engine is). There would need to be a HUGE amount changes to a HUGE amount of things for 7.0 to come anywhere near the limits of the PS4. look at Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Red Dead Redemption II, God of War, Uncharted 4. FFXIV has a lot of room to improve before it hits the limits of the PS4.

The engine is holding back the game. Sure, they might be able to squeeze a little bit more out of it, but the game is never going to keep up with modern technology. Only reason why PS3 was actually phased out is because FFXIV launched toward the end of its life cycle.

The game will die having PS4 support.

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Is it clean though? You can't actually know that unfortunately, as the amount of unpatched, actively used exploits that are most likely undetectable by whatever "virus scanner" you're using likely number in at least the hundreds, if not thousands. Win10 has been stable for years, I've never ever had any issues with tablet drivers on any platform, and gods I would never accept any files from someone running 7 in a professional setting. Use of outdated, vulnerable software is not something I would expect, or even tolerate from a professional I do business with. Yes, 10 was shakey in the beginning (7 was shite too, if you remember), yes, it's fixed now (that MS's evil gaze is cast upon win11 users) Win10 is now in that sweet spot that you all seem to think 7 still is (it is not).

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Clean as in I don't have any sketchy software installed which I think was being implied.
Obviously today Windows 7 is outdated and no longer supported but my experience with it was better when it still was than with Windows 10.

That is my experience, my experience being different doesn't mean there's some alterior reason behind it.
Maybe I made it sound like I am saying Windows 7 is still supported or something that wasn't my intent, I was talking about when it still was.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

First, PS5s STILL aren't readily available. Dropping PS4 at 7.0 would be really really really really stupid. Not that they haven't made stupid decisions in the past.

Second, PS4 isn't even holding back the game right now, Lower end PCs are ultimately what are holding back the game (well, the engine is). There would need to be a HUGE amount changes to a HUGE amount of things for 7.0 to come anywhere near the limits of the PS4. look at Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Red Dead Redemption II, God of War, Uncharted 4. FFXIV has a lot of room to improve before it hits the limits of the PS4.

The engine is holding back the game. Sure, they might be able to squeeze a little bit more out of it, but the game is never going to keep up with modern technology. Only reason why PS3 was actually phased out is because FFXIV launched toward the end of its life cycle.

The game will die having PS4 support.

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The PS4 was outdated when it was new. I can build a low end pc today that runs circles around the PS4. PC version can also have a wide range of graphical settings, something that eventually caps out with a fixed hardware system. There's a reason the pushed the beta roll out of the PS5 version back during 5.5. They are clearly planning to phase out PS4 support, especially if they want to begin to push out native 4k/120hz support on top of the entire graphical overhaul they are doing for the game. There's absolutely no way they are going to begin pushing out these features and continue to allow themselves be held back by an insanely weak console. Simple features like SSD utilization with the support of the PS5 already blatantly shows the lack of utility the PS4 has when it takes them 9 years to load into a dungeon.

Also, there's 17.5million PS5's out there now. Yes that pales in comparison to the PS4, but you gotta let go eventually. I could see them "maybe" holding on for 7.0, but I'd be shocked if this game continues to support the PS4 version beyond 8.0 as the console would be over 12 years old at that point and we're already at the edge of of them being able to push the engine further due to memory/storage/cpu limitations of the PS4. I know you might think otherwise, but you'd be surprised how limiting the consoles can be. Hell, the main reason we couldn't get capes in ARR was because the PS3 couldn't handle the physics.

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Every time I see comments like this I can't help but wonder what people are doing to their computers. While I'm not a fan of some of the systems they put in newer Windows, I have had no problems with Win10. I think people just install garbage programs and over time it just borks their system. That or just run weird hardware that has unstable software or drivers.

But yeah, 5 different computers (3 desktops and 2 laptops) all completely different hardware and never had a problem on any of them.

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If you run any degree of legacy software dealing with Windows 10 and 11 is a fricken nightmare. Some of the times virtualization just doth not cut it either so there are some out there with a nice Windows 7 dual boot setup.

Sometimes you wish to play Dragon Age Origins or something else without spending hours diagnosing obscure nonsense issues. Artifacting and crashing issues abound on Windows 10. Runs flawlessly on Windows 7.

Working with old hardware for job related stuffs means I keep many old machines and equally outdated operating systems around.

Have no clue what others do on their pooters that makes them not wish to upgrade to a modern OS but can state this. My last Microsoft OS was Windows 8.1. Use Linux for nearly everything already that tis not gaming so I just switched to Linux full time. Only time Windows is touched is for games that still will not run properly (or certain software). For that this Mia just uses hardware passthrough and a VM running whichever version of Windows works the bestest.

Had nothing but issues with Windows 10 wishing to automatically do something I am completely uninterested in. It is my pc and it will remain as up to date or out of date as I darn well wish. No more disabling telemetry, no more search indexing folders that do not need indexing, no more Cortana. Just one Lala, her terminal, and preferred desktop environment. Nothing stimulates my everything like checking my memory usage and seeing 96% memory free. Mmmm yummy.

When I still fixed computers for extra dosh I encountered no decrease in melicious software related jobs. However! Saw large uptick in users who had upgraded on machines that had no business upgrading from lack of understanding. Spent much of the time disabling useless "features" knowing full well they would be forcefully re-enabled next major update cycle. Heck, when possible I downgraded many machines back to their origional OS and warned those users not to upgrade unless they enjoyed paying me. Was only ever contacted by some of them when they were ready for a new system and wished for my assistance building them one.

Upgrade for security sure sure, should always recommend this when it is applicable. It is not always applicable. Why the heck are these forums so full of ones gargling Microsoft's big stanky package manager?

TL;DR - Windows 10 - 11 leaves me feeling drier then the great deserts of Dune and this is okay because we do not all have to enjoy the same things.

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There is literally zero excuse to still be on Windows 7. That OS is end of life. It is no longer receiving security updates and its a massive security hole for any software utilizing it. Stop being stubborn and upgrade to your OS.

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Here's one:

Using programs that are known to have major issues even installing onto the newer OS's much less running.

I still enjoy playing older games that pre-date Windows 7. Games that I'm not ready to put down.

I do also understand the security risks and the fact that one day, current games may stop working on my PC due to an update. And I've already had one instance of I can't play something due to my OS being too old and I'm just fine with that because I knew the risk going into it.

But I'm also not going to just upgrade just because I got an error message. I'm going to attempt fixes. Computers aren't cheap. Especially right now with all the shortages. I'm hoping my computer lasts until we pass the worst of the shortages so that I'm not paying too much extra.