[SPOILERS] I'd like to offer some feedback on The Moon...

Alright, I warned for spoilers. So here we go...

This is honestly very simply feedback, but I would just like to be able to "fix" the moon up a bit. That is, be able to perhaps "fill in" that massive, gaping hole in the middle of the zone.

My personal suggestion?

Replace it with a "biome" of some kind, with a garden in the center. Perhaps created by the Loporitts, or perhaps by Hydaelyn, Meteion, or even an uncorrupted Zodiark.

That last one may seem a bit of a stretch, but actually I think is the most compelling. Maybe we finally "meet" the remnants of Zodiark, that much like Hydaelyn represents a kind, nurturing mother, Zodiark is more of a "stern, protective father", who believed the inhabitants of the Ancients' world were too weak to stand a chance against the End of Days. Content to see you've proven yourself capable of confronting the threat head-on, he hopes you will continue to grow into a warrior of even greater, cosmic power.

Perhaps recognizing Hydaelyn's power is effectively spent, in recognition of her as an equal, he creates a garden in place of his shattered prison, that her soul might find rest looking out over the world she fought to save. Maybe even hint that Meteion's spirit might come to rest there, as well.

Heck, maybe there's even some tiny reservoir of aether left there, that they still "live" as spirits, but no longer with the power to actively aid us anymore? Or it can just bring a sense of closure to their stories.

Either way, I just feel like the Moon SHOULD be a really cool place, but that gaping hole filled with evil-looking energy just kinda kills the vibe.

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Originally Posted by Terin

Alright, I warned for spoilers. So here we go...

This is honestly very simply feedback, but I would just like to be able to "fix" the moon up a bit. That is, be able to perhaps "fill in" that massive, gaping hole in the middle of the zone.

My personal suggestion?

Replace it with a "biome" of some kind, with a garden in the center. Perhaps created by the Loporitts, or perhaps by Hydaelyn, Meteion, or even an uncorrupted Zodiark.

That last one may seem a bit of a stretch, but actually I think is the most compelling. Maybe we finally "meet" the remnants of Zodiark, that much like Hydaelyn represents a kind, nurturing mother, Zodiark is more of a "stern, protective father", who believed the inhabitants of the Ancients' world were too weak to stand a chance against the End of Days. Content to see you've proven yourself capable of confronting the threat head-on, he hopes you will continue to grow into a warrior of even greater, cosmic power.

Perhaps recognizing Hydaelyn's power is effectively spent, in recognition of her as an equal, he creates a garden in place of his shattered prison, that her soul might find rest looking out over the world she fought to save. Maybe even hint that Meteion's spirit might come to rest there, as well.

Heck, maybe there's even some tiny reservoir of aether left there, that they still "live" as spirits, but no longer with the power to actively aid us anymore? Or it can just bring a sense of closure to their stories.

Either way, I just feel like the Moon SHOULD be a really cool place, but that gaping hole filled with evil-looking energy just kinda kills the vibe.

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The things IMO atm I'd like on the moon are the classic FFIV battle theme to play everywhere on the moon. Not just in the Loporrit area and for them to make Smileton a new housing area with a layout just like the one we see in the duty instance... >.>

Some people think that that area will be the next Deep Dungeon. Maybe for levels 71 to 90, although that would mean you have to defeat Zodiark first to unlock it.

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Originally Posted by Espon

Some people think that that area will be the next Deep Dungeon. Maybe for levels 71 to 90, although that would mean you have to defeat Zodiark first to unlock it.

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No different from unlocking HoH which required progression into the Ruby Sea portion of the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Terin

I'd like to offer some feedback on The Moon...

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You'll have to shout quite loudly; the sound doesn't carry very well from up there...

But seriously, they can't just add something with a walkable surface there. They can change how it looks but solid ground has to be in the same places for everyone.

For comparison via New Game Plus, have a look at Alexander before/after it emerges from the bubble – there are rocks in the places where it will emerge, to maintain the same surface – or the final path that manifests in Endwalker. Because you don't get access to the area until the path forms, at a story level, they've simply made it there but invisible at a zone design level. Conversely, the Firmament reconstruction progressed at a world level so the ground structure changed and newer bits became accessible for everyone together.

They could have the evil red glow fade over time, but that's about it. The inaccessible crater has to remain.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You'll have to shout quite loudly; the sound doesn't carry very well from up there...

But seriously, they can't just add something with a walkable surface there. They can change how it looks but solid ground has to be in the same places for everyone.

For comparison via New Game Plus, have a look at Alexander before/after it emerges from the bubble – there are rocks in the places where it will emerge, to maintain the same surface – or the final path that manifests in Endwalker. Because you don't get access to the area until the path forms, at a story level, they've simply made it there but invisible at a zone design level. Conversely, the Firmament reconstruction progressed at a world level so the ground structure changed and newer bits became accessible for everyone together.

They could have the evil red glow fade over time, but that's about it. The inaccessible crater has to remain.

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Hmm, interesting point, I hadn't really considered that.

Would it not work, if you simply had a "biome" around that area? That if you're near a player who hasn't progressed that far, you simply "disappear" once you enter said biome?

I can't help but kind of feel like the Moon is kind of a let-down. I suppose it was a deliberate bait-and-switch for Ultima Thule, but particularly with the Loporitts still up there, I feel like it would be cool just to have it a *bit* more pleasant to revisit.

It's definitely a bit desolate right now. The whole area could use some love in general, especially considering how massive it is yet there's just very little out there.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

It's definitely a bit desolate right now. The whole area could use some love in general, especially considering how massive it is yet there's just very little out there.

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Moons are kinda known for lots of nothing going on.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Moons are kinda known for lots of nothing going on.

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IDK... Theres a lot of moons in No Man's Sky that have a lot going on... >.> lol

I'd definitely love to see more love for the Moon. It's kind of an unsettling place to visit with the massive, evil-looking crater there.

Would be cool to revamp it, and just have the "entrance" for the fight moved to maybe speaking with one of the NPC's letting you "relive the memory" of it.

I just wanna know why Hulk Hogan is on the moon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGxhzwYXwAEjorI.jpg

Maybe it's the only place big enough to contain his ego?

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Originally Posted by Terin

Hmm, interesting point, I hadn't really considered that.

Would it not work, if you simply had a "biome" around that area? That if you're near a player who hasn't progressed that far, you simply "disappear" once you enter said biome?

I can't help but kind of feel like the Moon is kind of a let-down. I suppose it was a deliberate bait-and-switch for Ultima Thule, but particularly with the Loporitts still up there, I feel like it would be cool just to have it a *bit* more pleasant to revisit.

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Other option, being a fairly large endeavor, is that they add proper sharding / instancing. Which could potentially be used for houses as well later. This is something WoW uses so you can have substantial differences, including pathing. Does create other interesting concerns, but assuming you don't put a super big FATE monster in the sharded space it'd be fine.

My biggest fix for the moon is to add moon gravity XD. Goes along with another thread I posted but general lack of gameplay related roleplay in FFXIV. Roleplay in your head and with story dialog choices, otherwise almost not at all.


More moon content in general would be cool though, maybe they can add more zones to the moon and stuff :).

I feel the same way about Tempest.

The reason the whole area is not submerged in water as it is usually is just so the Scions who could not breathe underwater could come with you, and there's a whole questline you need to do to unlock an aether current where you're made to feel very guilty about it because it's having a huge negative impact on the local population... and now no Scion needs to go there anymore, yet the fish people still have to deal with their habitat being forever changed just for your convenience. Not very WoL (or WoD)-like if you ask me.

Naturally that could possibly mean reworking the entire map to allow swimming, which causes issues with MSQ progress and splitting the area in several instances, but I'm sure that with the magic of lore you could find a way around that (as in submerge the area in water again, but you can't swim due to some fae folk magic or whatever).

i still miss the sun on the moon.

but if its about gixing i rather want them to fix ishgard. its still broken. i think they already told us they wont fix it. its even more unlikely they gonna fix that massive hole on the moon.

and i think its a pitty player cant experience the growth of mor dhona and idyllshire anymore. they even talk in the msq about it and newer player are like 'what are you talking about'.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I just wanna know why Hulk Hogan is on the moon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGxhzwYXwAEjorI.jpg

Maybe it's the only place big enough to contain his ego?

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Headcanon time:

I'm almost 100% certain it's actually meant to be Emet... or rather, Emet's original Ancient face, because Venat still had feelings for him when she created the Moon... and that only twisted the knife further to him. (Yes I know it serves as the entrance to Smileton, but a girl can still have her shipping fantasy! :D

Ah love hurts.. :D

What ? why ? Sorry...

Feedback on the moon
Let me fill the hollow star
Let me see Meteion
Or Hydaelin and Zodiark
In other words, lift this land
In other worlds, it red, beat me ?

Full lopporit song and let me sing on the dancefloor
The primals you long for
And you worship and abhor
In other worlds, it's Golbez
I don't have words, can't rhyme that

Fill my heart with endsong
Let me die or despair more
This is all meaningless, so why continue this chore
In other worlds, this is true
In other worlds
In other worlds
Zeromus

Just remember, when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's amore...

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Originally Posted by Tahbitha

Just remember, when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's amore...

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Does that also still count in Majora's Mask?

Only thing Mao cares for abouts Moon is that it full of Tasty Bunnys! Is likes PEZ Dispenser. Mao flips switch and little Bunny clone pops out into Mao mouth! :)

They should cover the hole and add a sorcery academy on top, preferably of the glintstone variety. If you build Liurnia on top, it'll eventually sink into the water. Turns out the Lake of Rot was always down there.

https://i.gifer.com/origin/5b/5b7aef...87fb3_w200.gif

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Only thing Mao cares for abouts Moon is that it full of Tasty Bunnys! Is likes PEZ Dispenser. Mao flips switch and little Bunny clone pops out into Mao mouth! :)

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Mao please, save some snacks for the rest of us!

Honestly, I think the Moon is perfect. It has exactly the atmosphere you'd expect on a moon. It's "quiet", desolate, and barren. I mean, it shouldn't feel like the surface of a planet, it's the moon.

That being said, I would love for a bit more interaction there. Another dungeon, besides the 2/3 we have now. A deep dungeon, maybe even a variant dungeon. I doubt a raid would be on there, but, I'd like to still interact with the Moon, even post Endwalker. Maybe another reconstruction effort?

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Honestly, I think the Moon is perfect. It has exactly the atmosphere you'd expect on a moon. It's "quiet", desolate, and barren. I mean, it shouldn't feel like the surface of a planet, it's the moon.

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Agreed, though I wish we got more of it and less of the tacky and oversized Bestways Burrow.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Agreed, though I wish we got more of it and less of the tacky and oversized Bestways Burrow.

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I agree. Exploring the Moon through other instanced content would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

the final path that manifests in Endwalker. Because you don't get access to the area until the path forms, at a story level, they've simply made it there but invisible at a zone design level.

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One of my friends who wasn't doing end walker with me via new game plus, accidentally spoiled the path appearing. It was hilarious watching my hrothgar friend just float up an invisible ramp.

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Originally Posted by ManaEthielday

One of my friends who wasn't doing end walker with me via new game plus, accidentally spoiled the path appearing. It was hilarious watching my hrothgar friend just float up an invisible ramp.

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You can also switch on NG+ mode for yourself and be left apparently floating in mid-air.

I think the IDEA of the Moon is still really cool, but yeah, feels a bit under-utilized. I also agree, the Loporitts area feels almost like it takes up a bit too much of the experience there.

If Endwalker had been two expansions as supposedly originally intended, the Loporrit segment would've made a fine x.1 patch. Those are always a bit lighter, as a break in tension from the previous story, before the rest of the patches pick up again. Move it around a little so we find some of them awakened by Fandaniel and Zenos arriving to unseal Zodiark, we fight him as the finale. Then in 6.1, we go back and find the rest of them awakening, preparing the moon to travel (with the Scions getting dragged into their various hijinks from trying to understand mortals), only to reveal at the end the first hints of Meteion. It could've worked out pretty well, I think.

Unfortunately, Endwalker's in a giant hurry all the time to rush through two expansions of story, so the few times it does slow down are very jarring.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I just wanna know why Hulk Hogan is on the moon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGxhzwYXwAEjorI.jpg

Maybe it's the only place big enough to contain his ego?

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I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be a reference to the "Face on Mars" photo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ng_cropped.jpg


As for my personal feedback on the moon, it almost feels like a waste of a zone for how empty it is. The surface of the moon I can understand to a degree, but Bestaways Burrow is my biggest complaint for the moon's lack of substance. Yes, the zone looks the way it does because of the Lopporitt's lack of understanding of how humans live, but I would hope that there would be more than just copy-pasted structures. It makes everything look too "samey". I would have maybe included a section that looks made for living quarters (almost like what we have from Smileton, but more neighborhood-like?) With Ancient-sized structures/furniture that might be fun to climb around at our sundered size.
IDK, I just would have appreciated more landmarks and things to make parts of the zone look more unique.

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Originally Posted by Destati

I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be a reference to the "Face on Mars" photo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ng_cropped.jpg


As for my personal feedback on the moon, it almost feels like a waste of a zone for how empty it is. The surface of the moon I can understand to a degree, but Bestaways Burrow is my biggest complaint for the moon's lack of substance. Yes, the zone looks the way it does because of the Lopporitt's lack of understanding of how humans live, but I would hope that there would be more than just copy-pasted structures. It makes everything look too "samey". I would have maybe included a section that looks made for living quarters (almost like what we have from Smileton, but more neighborhood-like?) With Ancient-sized structures/furniture that might be fun to climb around at our sundered size.
IDK, I just would have appreciated more landmarks and things to make parts of the zone look more unique.

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It's also a reference to FFIV. Oddly enough the moon on that game had 2 faces. 1 was a single stone object that looked like a face, the other was a bunch of stones placed in a smiley face pattern.

Moon should be turned into instance housing for everyone. Wasn't that what it was created for.

Only if they can figure out how to do it with the Escher-esque geometry in Smileton.

Have fun explaining THAT to a new player who teleports to the FC house but hasn't caught up to it in the MSQ yet.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Only if they can figure out how to do it with the Escher-esque geometry in Smileton.

Have fun explaining THAT to a new player who teleports to the FC house but hasn't caught up to it in the MSQ yet.

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TBH we've really seen 4 options I can recall in game that could work as instanced housing from a lore/fluff point of view. One is Smileton.

We also have Sea of Clouds with it's countless small floating islands.

Ruby Sea with it's small glass domes.

And Airships considering the size of the one they used in the Ivalice raid story.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

TBH we've really seen 4 options I can recall in game that could work as instanced housing from a lore/fluff point of view. One is Smileton.

We also have Sea of Clouds with it's countless small floating islands.

Ruby Sea with it's small glass domes.

And Airships considering the size of the one they used in the Ivalice raid story.

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Jus please: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-All-%28-FC%29 . . .

The thing I really like about airships, is that they could practically receive many backdrops easily. Like Kugane airship in the distance, you could park your airship in practically any zone- and so if you wanted to have a certain environment then.. you do you and SE only has to continue making cool zones in order to provide that.

Heck, if it was the next 'life' content, where like the island has great outdoor control (for items) the airship had great indoor, and you could plop your airship in your island... then you practically have complete, if not superior, housing- in terms of decorating at least.

I'm always down for more Housing zones! I fully agree with the Sea of Clouds though, I feel like that would be a super fun area.

But all in all, I still wish there was a bit more going on with the Moon. That giant crater isn't just ominous, but feels like it kills the vibe of the whole zone. Having a single, lush green tree (or even something crystalline) would be really cool. But at the very least, I'd just like to see the "evil crater" gone.

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Originally Posted by Terin

Would be cool to revamp it, and just have the "entrance" for the fight moved to maybe speaking with one of the NPC's letting you "relive the memory" of it.

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Really hope not. This is one of the things I hated most in WoW, assuming you are talking about a system like theirs where you talk to a NPC to see the "old version" of the map.