Yoshi P acknowledged that some third-party tools were used to enhance the UI and HUD. This acknowledgement has led to the dev team to create in-game tools to discourage the use of third-party tools. This is a good thing.
In this same spectrum, the recent post on Lodestone has also mentioned that third-party tools used to alter packets, ping, and lag were not allowed. This brings us back to the point where Yoshi-P in a live letter had stated he has never heard of international players experiencing ping issues before. What we need is to be louder about this so we could get some attention to these issues. By the same logic used for the HUD, I really hope the dev team would acknowledge it for ping, packets, and lag. SE could further discourage the use of third-party tools by looking into this issue more deeply. I guess what they need is specific examples that they are able to recreate.
Yoshi-P and Third-Party Ping Correcting Tools
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05-12-2022, 04:56 AMNav_FaeYoshi-P and Third-Party Ping Correcting Tools
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05-12-2022, 04:57 AMFaafetai
So are they banning people from using vpn's now too?
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05-12-2022, 05:07 AMRolder50
It's particularly funny because they could easily copy the way the ping correcting tools work. To be clear, they don't actually change your ping. What happens is animation locks are communicated to and from the server. Your animation lock doesn't "start" until it gets a response back from the server for you having done the action. The way the ping tools work is that it measures your ping, and then subtracts that duration from the animation lock, thus simulating a zero ping environment (or 5-10 ping depending). So, SE could fix this by either A) Doing the same ping check and adjustment or B) Just having the animation lock start AS the action is communicated to the server, rather then AFTER
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05-12-2022, 05:09 AMValkyrie_LennethI vpn is a pipe. It doesn't actually modify network traffic or game data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faafetai
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05-12-2022, 05:11 AMDeedlit
It's entirely on SEs head as they continue to have a contract with NTT and not correct their issues. We've been plenty loud, even during the server move to CA. Just use the tools. They don't even show up on screen, anyway.
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05-12-2022, 05:13 AMThemarvinLitterally altering the ping on server to eg. negative ping affecs the GCD hence you would exploit the heck out of the game with quicker cooldowns than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nav_Fae
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05-12-2022, 05:14 AMRolder50The programs do not change your ping and do not interact with the server in any form, nor do they affect ability cooldowns or how fast the GCD goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Themarvin
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05-12-2022, 05:14 AMJohnersThe same mechanism that allows XIVAlex or NoClippy to work can also be used to just outright cheat. You'd ultimately have to ban both if you were being fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Themarvin
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05-12-2022, 05:17 AMThemarvinThen so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
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05-12-2022, 05:22 AMInanegrain
I tried contacting support during 6.1 till ultimate released over packet loss that was strangely heavy in unusual hours. It was experiencing packet loss in dead hours in JP. It's seemingly fine for now-ish.
It wasn't helpful as all I learned was my ISP believes they can not do anything because the packet loss they've found had been in JP where they have no control of and SE claiming the same despite mentioning how it was seemingly coming from an ISP in JP from my end and at most, SE sent a note to another technical group? They didn't really guide me on what to ask my ISP.
Whatever it is, while it's discouraged supposedly, they have no way of detecting it in the first place because nothing unusual should pop up as if it's just normal gameplay unless it's scripted which is no longer just packets and full on a rotation script. You know, TAS bot like. Which has happened. -
05-12-2022, 05:23 AMSarevok_Thordin
The devs really should do something about animation lock in client and give the tools there no excuse for legit existance, nuff said.
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05-12-2022, 05:39 AMMoshaI don't get how changing the animation lock could be used to change the GCD or cooldowns, but okQuote:
Originally Posted by Johners
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05-12-2022, 05:44 AMSarevok_ThordinIt isn't about changing the GCD, it's about allowing OGCD actions to be completed in the GCD period without clipping it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosha
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05-12-2022, 05:47 AMHolyReignI really wish they would, imagine people having to play on a DC that's close to them, instead of using a VPN that's outside their area? I bet they'de experience less server issues, and lower ping too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faafetai
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05-12-2022, 05:50 AMMoshaoh, I know, But I think that's the direction they're heading in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarevok_Thordin
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05-12-2022, 06:10 AMFaafetaiI am not reaching I just don't want to get banned for something monumentally stupid. It is a program allowing to be seen as connecting to the servers from a different country. It minimizes your ping and could be considered third party. I am not saying these things to be sarcastic. I legitimately want to know. Some games do not take lightly to vpn's because you can hide your ip and your connection is taking different routes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
I live in the US my ping is 256 without a vpn because they could not be bothered to put servers anywhere other than California. I might get a better connection around 200 ping to germany maybe but it is still far. I am on the east coast. I literally can't be closer to any server.Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyReign
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05-12-2022, 06:13 AMAbsurdityIt does not alter your cooldown. While you could theoretically alter the program to give you negative ping and removing the oGCD animation lock entirely, probably allowing you to tripple or even quadrupple weave, but that's a surefire way to get banned because their logs would show you do something that is impossible to do legitimately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Themarvin
The main issue is that these tools need to exist in the first place because SE can't be bothered to fix their netcode. The animation lock it imposes on your oGCDs gets longer the higher your ping is, making it impossible to play a lot of jobs properly unless your ping 50ms or less.
What the tools are designed for is essentially only to give you the same gameplay experience as JP players connecting to the JP servers.
I've heard that the devs have previously said that XIV plays fine at 200ms ping, that is a bold-faced lie.
Try doing a proper rotation on jobs like GnB, DrK, Ast, Mch, or really any job that requires you to double weave without clipping your GCD at 200ms ping and tell me how "fine" that goes.
Ah yesQuote:
Originally Posted by HolyReign
"Please make the gameplay experience for anyone not living close to the datacenter's location worse because I have literally no idea what I'm talking about" -
05-12-2022, 06:13 AMValkyrie_LennethA VPN is a network application that pipes traffic from an entry point to an exit point. It does not modify the data it contains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faafetai
You will not get banned for using a VPN, you are not circumventing region locks.
People are freaking out over everything because some streamers got caught being dumb. Most of this panic is fabricated by trolls. -
05-12-2022, 06:16 AMLittleImpIt's because of the mechanism by which it deals with the animation lock. There was an incident where incorrect opcodes were circulating for XivAlexander, which when used lead to the inadvertent removal of the caster tax entirely. That does ultimately impact the GCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosha
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05-12-2022, 06:22 AMHolyReign
I live in Maine.
I have around 114ish ping, no VPN or PING reducing helpers, so I don't see how yours would be that much worse than mine. Unless your part of the US, has horrid internet and other things causing interference. -
05-12-2022, 06:23 AMMiaShinoCannot even remain connected to my own countries data center without VPN. Who hurt you?Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyReign
Hmm. Actually get better ping to EU then I do to West Coast.
Aye you will never be banned for using the VPN. Right now several countries require VPN to play due to cross network routing issues between their i-bone and NTT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
I think some of concern is innocent and genuine, the rest is memeing. Happens allllll the time. -
05-12-2022, 06:23 AMMoshaI Know, I know. I think my sarcasm to the person I was replying to got lost due to my reply ending up on a new page.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleImp
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05-12-2022, 06:25 AMFaafetaiThank you. I only know that the launcher has a fit if I have the vpn on when attempting to log in after a patch if I forgot to turn it off after downloading it. I am hoping that when you first log in it records your actual ip so it knows who you are and than treats the vpn as just another connection and just ignores it...well sort of. I had a ton of issues with the launcher just spazzing out and telling me my password was wrong but after using the two factor it stopped thankfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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05-12-2022, 06:27 AMValkyrie_LennethQuote:
Originally Posted by Faafetai
That's not because of the VPN, that's a security measure because your IP was changing. That's why security token stops it from happening