Increase EXP from side quests once main quest complete or max lvl a class

It seems that the exp from side quests is so low that it makes them a pointless choice for leveling. That seems like a huge waste of content to me. Maybe it could get a boost once a class has hit max so it doesn't offset the main quest too hard.

I was thinking increase the exp a bunch so you could level that way for alt classes but not outstrip the main. So maybe a buff once you get one class to max, and a buff once you complete the main story...or maybe once both are done. Just something to not massively shift the game but give us some options and reason to do any of that currently very under appreciated content.

Under appreciated because the rewards vs time are so unbalanced.

Some of the side quests literally take about 30 seconds. On average, maybe 2-3 minutes.

I must agree. I just completely ignore them until I feel like doing them, which is usually when I'm already max level because the exp is so low it's not even worth considering.

XP is so easy to get though. Even on your first job just doing the MSQ alone and you'll be maxed level long before you finish it. I think you could probably max at least two jobs on it.

I'd say boost the amount of gil. WoW had a mechanic that if you are maxed level and would get XP for doing a side quest...you would be rewarded with more money instead. I'm not sure of the percentage but I think it was like 5% of the total xp was given as extra gold instead...which adds up quickly.

However other than housing...there is nothing to spend gil on. I practically bought my crafting/gathering levels just by GC turn ins and would just buy HQ items and turn those in. Now that everything is maxed again...my wallet keeps increasing with nothing to burn it on.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Some of the side quests literally take about 30 seconds. On average, maybe 2-3 minutes.

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yet no one does them because most of them are pointless

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Some of the side quests literally take about 30 seconds. On average, maybe 2-3 minutes.

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And they give almost no exp. You make more killing a few things in the same time. It really is very lopsided.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

XP is so easy to get though. Even on your first job just doing the MSQ alone and you'll be maxed level long before you finish it. I think you could probably max at least two jobs on it.

I'd say boost the amount of gil. WoW had a mechanic that if you are maxed level and would get XP for doing a side quest...you would be rewarded with more money instead. I'm not sure of the percentage but I think it was like 5% of the total xp was given as extra gold instead...which adds up quickly.

However other than housing...there is nothing to spend gil on. I practically bought my crafting/gathering levels just by GC turn ins and would just buy HQ items and turn those in. Now that everything is maxed again...my wallet keeps increasing with nothing to burn it on.

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Not saying it is hard to get. Just saying that right now side quests are not a way to play an alt through the game, and I think they should be. More options for play, and more styles. I personally like doing the side quests to level...or at least to break up the duty/kill farming grind. That being said...I don't do them at all in ffxiv because they just give nothing vs the other options.

Balance out the options by upping exp for side quests AFTER you do the main quest to get one class maxed seems like a good solution.

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Originally Posted by JTWrenn

And they give almost no exp. You make more killing a few things in the same time. It really is very lopsided.

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Not true at all.

You might make more from the time investment by doing a FATE, but just killing random mobs, absolutely not.
And they don't want side quests to be more lucrative than FATEs, because then no one would do FATEs, they'd just do the sidequests where they can skip five pages of text in 30 seconds and instantly get 20% of a level.

Now maybe they could add a challenge log prize, a daily bonus for doing say, 1, 3 and 5 side quests, which are comparable EXP to doing 1, 2 and 3 FATEs respectively. That could work.

The main point of all the side quests is to add tons of little details to the local lore, for people interested in it. If you aren't one of those and skip skip skip all the dialogs, these quests are so quick to complete that you can not give them too much xp as a reward for nearly no effort at all. There is already enough people complaining of max level players not having a clue of how to play their job properly, we don't need to make that worse by allowing to level entire jobs just by speaking to a few npcs.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Not true at all.

You might make more from the time investment by doing a FATE, but just killing random mobs, absolutely not.
And they don't want side quests to be more lucrative than FATEs, because then no one would do FATEs, they'd just do the sidequests where they can skip five pages of text in 30 seconds and instantly get 20% of a level.

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I disagree, nowadays Shared Fates make doing FATEs a more investment than doing sidequests but I do agree that sidequests could have more investment like maybe and title or achievment rewards just from doing the random sidequests. afterall even levequests have them.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

The main point of all the side quests is to add tons of little details to the local lore, for people interested in it. If you aren't one of those and skip skip skip all the dialogs, these quests are so quick to complete that you can not give them too much xp as a reward for nearly no effort at all. There is already enough people complaining of max level players not having a clue of how to play their job properly, we don't need to make that worse by allowing to level entire jobs just by speaking to a few npcs.

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fair point but you could also have the potential to make people more interested in the lore with them, I do think there should have a bit more reward in doing them other than just the lore.

Side quests? Why not Fates, Battle Leve's and othey daily quests?.

I think some features related to leveling a job are quiet dead and almost pointless to do, if they reward so few XP.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

The main point of all the side quests is to add tons of little details to the local lore, for people interested in it. If you aren't one of those and skip skip skip all the dialogs, these quests are so quick to complete that you can not give them too much xp as a reward for nearly no effort at all. There is already enough people complaining of max level players not having a clue of how to play their job properly, we don't need to make that worse by allowing to level entire jobs just by speaking to a few npcs.

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You could say the same thing to some degree about the main quest. Why not make it both worth our time and interesting? Seems to me that they should already know what quests are long/short and you could adjust them based on that. None of this will fix the issue of mains at high levels not knowing how to play, nor do I think it will hurt it more. Grinding out low level dungeons doesn't teach much in the way of skills for people who don't want to learn.

So why not have more options and more reasons to see the lore? I personally think leveling speeds should go
1. main quest
2. dungeons or side quests
3. everything else

Then add some better tutorials for how to actually play classes in dungeons to fix issues with players no knowing what they are doing I guess...it's a very different issue.

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Originally Posted by Necrosaro123

Side quests? Why not Fates, Battle Leve's and othey daily quests?.

I think some features related to leveling a job are quiet dead and almost pointless to do, if they reward so few XP.

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I'm fine with a whole lot more avenues but right now side quests is way down there. Fate grinding is faster I believe right now.

I agree that it would be nice for them to get even a little bump. It's all fine to say that they just exist for the lore and/or world building, but it literally feels like you're being punished for choosing to do them over just about anything else unless the lore is literally the only thing you care about. Plus, if they did reward more XP, it could encourage more people to do them and end up enjoying the story and lore even more than they already do.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

I agree that it would be nice for them to get even a little bump. It's all fine to say that they just exist for the lore and/or world building, but it literally feels like you're being punished for choosing to do them over just about anything else unless the lore is literally the only thing you care about. Plus, if they did reward more XP, it could encourage more people to do them and end up enjoying the story and lore even more than they already do.

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It's also not how any rpg really works. Side quests should be there for lore, story, fun, gear, and EXP. Just another path to play the game, and right now that exp part is way out of balance.

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

yet no one does them because most of them are pointless

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People do them because they enjoy getting the additional lore/stories for the zone.

Not everything needs to revolve around leveling/power progression.\

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

fair point but you could also have the potential to make people more interested in the lore with them, I do think there should have a bit more reward in doing them other than just the lore.

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If players aren't already taking an interest in the lore from doing MSQ, adding more XP to side quests isn't going to change their interest in the lore.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

People do them because they enjoy getting the additional lore/stories for the zone.

Not everything needs to revolve around leveling/power progression.\



If players aren't already taking an interest in the lore from doing MSQ, adding more XP to side quests isn't going to change their interest in the lore.

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But why not? Why not make it worth the time vs other content...ie balancing the content. In an RPG should you really have to choose between time leveling and lore? Seems like making it time equal to other activities for leveling alts is a win win.

Since Shadowbringers, the side quests already give a lot of good xp for little to no effort and they scale up. It was very easy to level up DPS jobs this way.

More XP isn't the solution to everything and they certainly don't need to spend the time going back and tweaking hundreds of quest rewards just because. There's plenty of xp to be earned just for logging in and running content. You've got Hunts, WT, Challenge, Dungeons, Roulettes No one really suffers from a lack of xp unless they're just in here for the wrong reasons.

I have a laundry list of things I can’t stand about the game , this would be like #6 or so but they think “Road to 90” will solve all the leveling woes but what the game really need it

ALTERNATIVES

Leves, side quests, beast tribes, Fates, Explorative content, Deep dungeons, perhaps more systems similar to WT literally anything. The game has lots of avenues but none of them are valid enough and Leves even got exp removed.

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Originally Posted by JTWrenn

But why not? Why not make it worth the time vs other content...ie balancing the content. In an RPG should you really have to choose between time leveling and lore? Seems like making it time equal to other activities for leveling alts is a win win.

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It's already worth the time when what I'm after is the lore? Getting XP if the job I'm using needs it is just a bonus.

Next you'll be complaining that Gold Saucer gives zero XP and that SE needs to add XP to that as well.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I have a laundry list of things I can’t stand about the game , this would be like #6 or so but they think “Road to 90” will solve all the leveling woes but what the game really need it

ALTERNATIVES

Leves, side quests, beast tribes, Fates, Explorative content, Deep dungeons, perhaps more systems similar to WT literally anything. The game has lots of avenues but none of them are valid enough and Leves even got exp removed.

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How are those not "valid enough"?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

People do them because they enjoy getting the additional lore/stories for the zone.

Not everything needs to revolve around leveling/power progression.\

If players aren't already taking an interest in the lore from doing MSQ, adding more XP to side quests isn't going to change their interest in the lore.

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False. It's not black and white.

I like lore and stories. I also like exp. The lore and stories in side quests however just isn't worth my time investment. They're nice but not tempting enough so I mostly avoid them.

However, when you have lore, stories and exp, there's multiple things I like and they're tempting enough to do for the time invested. This is a positive for the game because players like me now consume more of the content the devs have been pouring resources into.

Currently, every side quest in Endwalker won't even get you from 80-87. Doubling the exp would hardly be overboard.

I agree. They should vastly raise the exp from sidequests. Maybe not to the levels of dungeon spam, but make it viable as an option. If they gave more exp, I'd probably do them all. But it's not worth the time as it stands right now. I can hand in my book and get 2/3rds of a level, millions of exp, or I can grind out these side quests for 2k a pop.... the choice has already been made for me lol

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

False. It's not black and white.

I like lore and stories. I also like exp. The lore and stories in side quests however just isn't worth my time investment. They're nice but not tempting enough so I mostly avoid them.

However, when you have lore, stories and exp, there's multiple things I like and they're tempting enough to do for the time invested. This is a positive for the game because players like me now consume more of the content the devs have been pouring resources into.

Currently, every side quest in Endwalker won't even get you from 80-87. Doubling the exp would hardly be overboard.

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Would you then do the side quests because the XP was doubled, or would they still be a waste of your time because the rewards you get from other leveling content remain better overall?

How do the others who want more XP feel? Would doubling be enough for them or is that still not sufficient?

Increasing XP isn't going to increase the amount of content consumed. The need for XP is finite. XP earned from a side quest is XP that no longer needs to be earned from another source. All you've done is changed what content is being consumed. If the player was going to continue doing the other content even after hitting level cap, why would they not likewise do the side quests after hitting level cap when they want to get the stories and lore? In both cases, the XP has become irrelevant.

Ultimately, it's up to SE to decide how they want to balance content used for leveling. Do they feel there is a need to push players from doing other leveling content into the side quests instead? If so, then it's to their benefit to increase the XP. If not, then there's no reason to make a change.

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Originally Posted by JTWrenn

So why not have more options and more reasons to see the lore? I personally think leveling speeds should go
1. main quest
2. dungeons or side quests
3. everything else

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I am at a loss to understand why someone doesn't realize that what they're requesting is already the way things are.

Leveling 1st job: MSQ is more than sufficient to get you there. On time.

Leveling 2nd (and 3rd) job: running a daily leveling dungeon instance and completing the side quests, plus the occasional "everything else" (hunts, FATEs) is how it is best done. Personally, that's how my first 3 level 90s were leveled. The effort was fairly minimal. The XP is about half that of the MSQ for side quests, when coupled with a daily leveling instance it balances out.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

The main point of all the side quests is to add tons of little details to the local lore, for people interested in it. If you aren't one of those and skip skip skip all the dialogs, these quests are so quick to complete that you can not give them too much xp as a reward for nearly no effort at all. There is already enough people complaining of max level players not having a clue of how to play their job properly, we don't need to make that worse by allowing to level entire jobs just by speaking to a few npcs.

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I leveled RDM to max level in Stormblood exclusively doing beast tribe dailies. 0 effort was given as I abandoned the dailies that required me to kill mobs. I got it to max level in one month without ever touching a single dungeon, doing any fates, killing any mobs or learning how to play the job. And no, I didn't learn how to play the job from the job quests as they were already so easy to do in Stormblood that all I needed to do was spam Jolt and win. So your point about effortless leveling is moot. And now you can fail on purpose and set the quests on very easy to win even faster.

I also immediately bought crafted gear off the MB and went into the Drowned City of Skalla, which was the very first dungeon I did as RDM. So you mad about effortless gearing too?

I think that it should just be reasonable to take a second job from previous expansion cap to current cap through the side quests in an expansion. It's not a big deal that they don't give amazing xp, but it would be nice.

IIRC, Endwalker sidequests were closest to that, being able to take something from 80 to 86/87. Just as a way to bump up their value a little bit and offer a slight reprieve from dungeon spam/Bozja for at least 1 more job.

Doing all the side quests should net about enough exp to level 1-2 extra jobs to max.

Side quests can only be done once so giving them such a tiny reward does have the unfortunate effect of just making them depressing to do, even if the story is interesting.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's already worth the time when what I'm after is the lore? Getting XP if the job I'm using needs it is just a bonus.

Next you'll be complaining that Gold Saucer gives zero XP and that SE needs to add XP to that as well.


How are those not "valid enough"?

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Who says all the side quests are just there for lore, and if so why are they giving any exp? Your argument is a bit circular there. If it's lore fine, but many of them are just random fetch quests that give you little to no lore. So again I come back to why not?

IF they are just lore, fine make them that. If they give exp then make them valid or take it away. I think your stance that they are just for lore is well odd because I have never seen a single RPG mmo or otherwise say side quests are just for lore, don't do them to level. Where are you getting that from? Do you feel the same way about the main quest? Should it not be good for leveling because it is about the story?

It's an odd stance for an rpg of any kind.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

I am at a loss to understand why someone doesn't realize that what they're requesting is already the way things are.

Leveling 1st job: MSQ is more than sufficient to get you there. On time.

Leveling 2nd (and 3rd) job: running a daily leveling dungeon instance and completing the side quests, plus the occasional "everything else" (hunts, FATEs) is how it is best done. Personally, that's how my first 3 level 90s were leveled. The effort was fairly minimal. The XP is about half that of the MSQ for side quests, when coupled with a daily leveling instance it balances out.

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I guess because you didn't read all my posts. I am talking specifically about the speed of leveling. Side quests are very low especially in the 1-50 lvling range on speed to level up.

What I am saying is if you look on the how to level quickly...nothing says side quests other than tribe stuff. They are much lower than other forms of exp gaining, and I think they should be on par.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

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How are those not "valid enough"?

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Exp is putrid to none with some of these, 98% of beat tribes for example give you pennies to your exp

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

False. It's not black and white.

I like lore and stories. I also like exp. The lore and stories in side quests however just isn't worth my time investment. They're nice but not tempting enough so I mostly avoid them.

However, when you have lore, stories and exp, there's multiple things I like and they're tempting enough to do for the time invested. This is a positive for the game because players like me now consume more of the content the devs have been pouring resources into.

Currently, every side quest in Endwalker won't even get you from 80-87. Doubling the exp would hardly be overboard.

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This is absolutely true. I have limited amount of time to play the game, so whenever I get in, if I have the option between XP and lore, it's going to be XP. I can always read about lore outside of the game. However, if I'm getting that lore and at the same time making a decent amount of XP, then I'll do that.



What they should do is just find a XP/hr that they want to use as a base (e.g. 2-3 dungeon runs) and use that as a base for xp rewards for everything at the very least. You could argue that sidequests being 1 time things should mean that they give a bit more than that, or beast tribes and hunts being once daily they should be a bit more. But overall if all content was around the same xp/hr then people would be able to do whatever they find is "fun" to level. Shouldn't that be the goal?

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Originally Posted by JTWrenn

I guess because you didn't read all my posts. I am talking specifically about the speed of leveling. Side quests are very low especially in the 1-50 lvling range on speed to level up.

What I am saying is if you look on the how to level quickly...nothing says side quests other than tribe stuff. They are much lower than other forms of exp gaining, and I think they should be on par.

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I am able to level an alternate character from 1 to 50 with 3 or more jobs in near synchronization using the MSQ and side quests, plus a daily leveling dungeon, the occasional FATE and the hunt log.

I do not consider Tribal quests as 'side quests', since they don't carry the "!" marker except for the initial quest that acts as an introduction. If you really meant "Tribal Quests" in your OP, you should have said that instead, both there and in subsequent posts. The XP of the ARR Tribal quests is appropriate, given that you can't start them until you're over level 40, you are limited to 3 quests per day per tribe (except on reputation change days), and they provide other perks (mounts, vendor materials, etc) both during the story and upon completion.

There are much quicker ways to level from 40 to 50, given the fact that the MSQ XP is high enough to feed 3 jobs in that level range. That wasn't always the case. Before HW, the XP for the MSQ required additional XP from most (if not all) of the side quests in order to actually get to the point where you could qualify to do the Garuda trial. I well remember the fact that I had finished every side quest in the game and still needed XP to actually get the first level 50 quest for the end of the 2.0 story line.

Then again, I wasn't doing a daily leveling dungeon at the time, so there was that ...

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Exp is putrid to none with some of these, 98% of beat tribes for example give you pennies to your exp

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Yeah no. Most give 8-11% of a level on each one, so 33% of a level a day for all of 10m of work.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Exp is putrid to none with some of these, 98% of beat tribes for example give you pennies to your exp

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If you're thinking about ARR level content, I can agree the XP could use some adjustment on some of the content. FATEs and Deep Dungeon are still good below 50.

Once you're past ARR levels, the XP gains are generally good for the time investment. 15-20% of a level for 10 minutes of time? Works for me.

Leveling is supposed to take time. There's no need to rush everything to level cap.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

You could argue that sidequests being 1 time things should mean that they give a bit more than that, or beast tribes and hunts being once daily they should be a bit more.

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Very much this. That's the part I don't really understand about the "No, more XP would be bad!" side of the argument. At the end of the day, sidequests are a finite resource. Not saying they should, but even if they gave a full quarter of a level each, you would eventually run out of them. There are 18+ jobs in the game. Even if you could level even a couple of jobs purely on sidequest XP, you'd still have 15 more jobs youi'd have to level through other means.

I’ve always been of the mind that completing an entire zone’s quests should give at least a level’s worth of xp; maybe even a level per “settlement”. (Like say, do all the quests that “pop” once you reach a certain story beat). Also make their minimum xp at least 5% of an entire level.

I would also say instead of marking a quest as “for level 10”, make it “level 10+”. So it doesn’t matter what level you finally do it, you will still get 5% (or whatever) of your level.

I have personally done all the quests in 2.0 to 5.0 simply to get the icons off my map, and clear out my quest log. There were a few good stories in there, but most of it was a slog. I would have been much more invested if I knew I was getting more than 0.001% of a level.


Why? It’s a one time thing. No harm in it giving a significant chunk of xp, especially when you have daily beast quests you can grind.

At the end of the day, doing every single quest you might get what… 2? Maybe 3 jobs to cap? Out of nearly 20?

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Very much this. That's the part I don't really understand about the "No, more XP would be bad!" side of the argument. At the end of the day, sidequests are a finite resource. Not saying they should, but even if they gave a full quarter of a level each, you would eventually run out of them. There are 18+ jobs in the game. Even if you could level even a couple of jobs purely on sidequest XP, you'd still have 15 more jobs youi'd have to level through other means.

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It's not that more xp would be bad. There's just no point in them spending the time to add more.