Are 15 liners FC recruitment spams generally accepted in FF?

https://i.ibb.co/jr2BKHB/spam.jpg

This same exact person in my server has been going around in different city zones spamming this 15 liner FC recruitment, every other hour or so(the frequency flactuates)
Its obviously an annoying spammer/spam posting and i proceed to report to support desk on this, however it seems that its useless and he continues to travel around the server spamming this 15 liner FC recruitment and all i get is an automated generated reply from the GM for the last 4 times i had reported him


Do people get warnings/suspended/muted for constantly(frequently) spamming a 15 liner macro on shout in FF?


*name censored because tos

4 or 5 lines of FC recruitment is fine, but a number higher than 10 is not. On hourly basis it may indeed be considered a spam.

I suggest you hide the name since it's against ToS.

Also I think it's quite common when JP promotes their FC to entire city state with macro. They put "Sorry for the shout spam" on first and last line.

But if they did it daily, consider report the person :)

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Also I think it's quite common when JP promotes their FC to entire city state with macro. They put "Sorry for the shout spam" on first and last line.

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Advertisements are not uncommon but they're not usually 15 lines.

I'd say that's a pretty loose definition for "spam" if they're doing it once every 2 hours.... or do you mean they swap cities every 2 hours?

This person jumps from limsa > uldah > gridania(never seen him there) > foundation > Firmament > i dont know where else, the spam frequency can be as high as once every hr, i can see it because i am crafting in Firmament for hours on the weekends

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Originally Posted by Astarift

This person jumps from limsa > uldah > gridania(never seen him there) > foundation > Firmament > i dont know where else, the spam frequency can be as high as once every hr, i can see it because i am crafting in Firmament for hours on the weekends

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If someone is posting a block of text once an hour I don't think that's regarded as "spam". You can easily talk in between their posts and it wouldn't push anything off your text that you couldn't easily just scroll up a little to catch (actual spam makes this difficult since the chat scrolls by so fast constantly).

That's probably why your GM reports aren't doing anything, the GM's don't consider it spam. Since it's the same person can't you blacklist them?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

If someone is posting a block of text once an hour I don't think that's regarded as "spam". You can easily talk in between their posts and it wouldn't push anything off your text that you couldn't easily just scroll up a little to catch (actual spam makes this difficult since the chat scrolls by so fast constantly).

That's probably why your GM reports aren't doing anything, the GM's don't consider it spam. Since it's the same person can't you blacklist them?

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This is a 15 line of chat, theres a cooldown between how long you can send a message in /shout(1 or 2 seconds), so this is a spam that last for 15-30 seconds, which can clearly be distruptive in chat isnt it? Black listing is a solution, but my concern is that is this a violation of ToS and therefore punishable for repeated offense/spam?

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Originally Posted by Astarift

This is a 15 line of chat, theres a cooldown between how long you can send a message in /shout(1 or 2 seconds), so this is a spam that last for 15-30 seconds, which can clearly be distruptive in chat isnt it? Black listing is a solution, but my concern is that is this a violation of ToS and therefore punishable for repeated offense/spam?

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I guess I can see why it's somewhat annoying if this is literally 15 separate shouts of advertising their FC. But It's also one person you can ignore and never have to deal with again. Whether or not they are breaking TOS isn't really the players concern, we aren't the police and shouldn't be acting as such. Reporting people is for notifying GM's of conduct that affects you (sometimes indirectly), not for tattletale-ing. Spamming in and of itself is usually a repetitive message over and over again, not one large message every hour. If the text isn't repeating quickly and the entire message is spaced out reasonably (I think an hour is reasonable).. then there's really no rules being broken. They are saying a long thing ONCE every hour.

Again if you've reported it multiple times yet the GM's close the tickets and ignore it.. they're probably fine.

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Originally Posted by Astarift

This is a 15 line of chat, theres a cooldown between how long you can send a message in /shout(1 or 2 seconds), so this is a spam that last for 15-30 seconds, which can clearly be distruptive in chat isnt it? Black listing is a solution, but my concern is that is this a violation of ToS and therefore punishable for repeated offense/spam?

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that's 30 seconds every hour.
I don't think it would be considered spam

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Originally Posted by hagare

that's 30 seconds every hour.
I don't think it would be considered spam

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It sounds like spam to me.

I can't read Japanese so I don't know what they're saying, but the average FC recruitment ad only takes up one line of a macro, maybe two or three at most. What do they need to say that is so un-succinct and yet necessary to send to everyone in the zone?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It sounds like spam to me.

I can't read Japanese so I don't know what they're saying, but the average FC recruitment ad only takes up one line of a macro, maybe two or three at most. What do they need to say that is so un-succinct and yet necessary to send to everyone in the zone?

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that's an interesting take. I don't understand it so it's spam xD
although it's only 1/120th of an hour.
No wonder gaijins have a bad name xD

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Originally Posted by hagare

that's an interesting take. I don't understand it so it's spam xD
although it's only 1/120th of an hour.
No wonder gaijins have a bad name xD

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That is not what I said.

The basic premise of a 15-line macro sounds like spam, and I can't imagine what they would need to say in it, BUT my inability to read Japanese means I cannot make a definitive judgement on what they are writing as shown in the screenshot.

I would find it equally spammy regardless of what language it is written in. Possibly more annoying in English as I'd be seeing the same readable text over and over, instead of the visual "white noise" of unfamiliar symbols.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That is not what I said.

The basic premise of a 15-line macro sounds like spam, and I can't imagine what they would need to say in it, BUT my inability to read Japanese means I cannot make a definitive judgement on what they are writing as shown in the screenshot.

I would find it equally spammy regardless of what language it is written in. Possibly more annoying in English as I'd be seeing the same readable text over and over, instead of the visual "white noise" of unfamiliar symbols.

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Is your chat tab so barren nothing happens in one hour after the shout that you only sees the shout over and over again?
change tabs?
it just seems kind of like an over reaction.
And if you wanna try to understand it, you can always google translate it. Granted, might not give the best translation. but eh

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Originally Posted by hagare

that's an interesting take. I don't understand it so it's spam xD
although it's only 1/120th of an hour.
No wonder gaijins have a bad name xD

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I dont think the focus here is not understanding so its a spam, its a 15 liner /shout macro spam that floods your chat so its a spam. Also having a 15 liner as a FC recruitment? You can actually post your FC recruitment in lodestone website by the way, thats the purpose of the community finder there
Stating that the spam only happens 1/120th of an hour is a weak argument in terms of it not being a spam, when the focus here is that it whenever he posts the macro, its floods my chat and disrupts the chatting experience of anyone in range of the shout
Noting gaijins having a bad name is pure irony here and totally derailing from the discussion

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Originally Posted by hagare

Is your chat tab so barren nothing happens in one hour after the shout that you only sees the shout over and over again?
change tabs?
it just seems kind of like an over reaction.
And if you wanna try to understand it, you can always google translate it. Granted, might not give the best translation. but eh

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Likewise, putting xenophobia in an discussion when the focus was on spam is definitely overreacting

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Originally Posted by Astarift

I dont think the focus here is not understanding so its a spam, its a 15 liner /shout macro spam that floods your chat so its a spam. Also having a 15 liner as a FC recruitment? You can actually post your FC recruitment in lodestone website by the way, thats the purpose of the community finder there
Stating that the spam only happens 1/120th of an hour is a weak argument in terms of it not being a spam, when the focus here is that it whenever he posts the macro, its floods my chat and disrupts the chatting experience of anyone in range of the shout
Noting gaijins having a bad name is pure irony here and totally derailing from the discussion

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hey if you think it's a spam. Fine.

I think it's 30 seconds out of a whole hour.
if it was every 5 minutes, I'd block him

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It sounds like spam to me.

I can't read Japanese so I don't know what they're saying, but the average FC recruitment ad only takes up one line of a macro, maybe two or three at most. What do they need to say that is so un-succinct and yet necessary to send to everyone in the zone?

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Here's a rough and rather flavorless translation cleaned up from OCR xD. Just be warned I don't know Japanese well either so can't really vouch for its accuracy.

"Please excuse me, this is an FC recruitment message. Our FC "Nameless Restaurante" is recruiting, and currently has about 30 members. Sprouts, newbies and returners are welcome. Whether you're a triple legend, gposer, gatherer/crafter or PVP master, everyone is free to do as they wish. We want to create an FC where existing members value new members and new members value existing members. Our FC is characterized by our lack of scary or mean people, and we love to chat. Let's enjoy the story and content together! "What's an FC? What kind of FC is it?" Feel free to message me about it. An overview of our FC is available on the community finder. Why don't you experience the atmosphere of our FC for yourself? Please feel free to contact us with an application, in the party finder or via a tell. If you'd like to send a tell, simply click my name in the chat box. Excuse me again for the shout."

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Here's a rough and rather flavorless translation cleaned up from OCR xD. Just be warned I don't know Japanese well either so can't really vouch for its accuracy.

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Thanks for the translation. And yeah, that seems like way more detail than needed, especially if you're going to direct people to the community finder for "an overview".

As most of us said on your reddit thread with the same complaint. Just blacklist them.

Once an hour isn't going to be classed as spam. Blacklisting will mean you never have to see it again.

Curious what some of you think about some of these Casino spammers in cities like Limsa. I've personally blacklisted some of the offending ones but that doesn't stop those rolling random numbers. There is one in particular on Sophia in Limsa and I find that spam to be personally unacceptable. It can go on for hours.

Hello. Make your chat window wider. This should reduce the 15 liner. :)


Cheers

ITT: The subjective debate over what does and does not constitute spam.

Now, that's a discussion that will go places.

@OP: Report if you want to report; don't if you don't. If you report for spam and the adverts don't meet SE's criteria for spam, then the report will just be disregarded. No skin off anyone's back. If, on the other hand, the adverts do meet SE's criteria for spam, then the advertiser will be warned or actioned.

I don't get the "should I report this?" thing. Report things you feel need reporting. If SE wants you, personally, to stop sending in reports, they'll tell you. I'd imagine you'd have to go a bit nuts and send in multiple superfluous reports before it would get to that stage.

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Originally Posted by hagare

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Consider take aside the xenophobia off this game please, thank you :)

It doesn't seem to fall under the definition of spam in the Prohibited Activities policy that tries to clarify the ToS. It would need to be actively obstructing game play and player communication to be considered spam. It might be annoying, but it's not obstructive.

Just blacklist and the problem is solved (at least for you and others who have blacklisted the player using the macro).

I imagine that it's been less than successful as a recruiting tool. Most people are going to tune it out after the first 3-4 lines.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Hello. Make your chat window wider. This should reduce the 15 liner. :)


Cheers

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Take a closer look at the image - he's already made the chat window as wide as it needs to be to get each one of the 15 lines on its own line.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Consider take aside the xenophobia off this game please, thank you :)

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I'll take it under consideration

Oh no they're doing a detailed info message instead of ninja inviting! Report and ban them, horrible people D:

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Take a closer look at the image - he's already made the chat window as wide as it needs to be to get each one of the 15 lines on its own line.

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It was a joke. :)

Apart from that, blacklisting the FC spammers will help.


Cheers

Sounds like a club advertisement to me, some on Hyperion run that long. If it bothers you just blacklist them and move forward with your day.

The frequency is fine. The length is inconsiderate.

Seems normal for any city-state. Many people do this fairly regularly.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Curious what some of you think about some of these Casino spammers in cities like Limsa. I've personally blacklisted some of the offending ones but that doesn't stop those rolling random numbers. There is one in particular on Sophia in Limsa and I find that spam to be personally unacceptable. It can go on for hours.

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We are a bit luckier than you on Sophia, although that "casino" is in the party finder, we don't get the open-chat random number spam too often. The shout ads are there of course.

I will be glad when housing opens for us (maybe 11/04/22 at this stage) and we can avoid Limsa like it needs avoiding. For now, I've taken to making a chatlog without /say, /shout and /yell too. I flip to there when I need to do retainers.

(Off-topic: I find the people on Sophia are usually real fun to party with in Dungeon finder.)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

(Off-topic: I find the people on Sophia are usually real fun to party with in Dungeon finder.)

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Looks like a real party server judging by the activity in Limsa alone. And Casino chat is probably reportable although i haven't done it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

And Casino chat is probably reportable although i haven't done it.

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Yes, I agree.

Although I personally just hide/blacklist and save my reports for bad *-isms, I do think the random-number Casino chat is reportable, it's along the same lines as excessive emote spam which is very well known as reportable.

I think this may be a DC/server thing. Hang out in Sharlayan or Limsa on Jenova and there are advertisements all the time that are sometimes across two macros (though not more than 5 lines each or so) about their clubs or FC recruitment or whatever. Only time I see someone say something is if we see the same one more than once in a few minutes. So for me this once an hour is pretty tame and wouldn't even raise eyebrows on my server.

I doubt a report will do much, just blist them and never look back.

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Originally Posted by Astarift

https://i.ibb.co/jr2BKHB/spam.jpg

This same exact person in my server has been going around in different city zones spamming this 15 liner FC recruitment, every other hour or so(the frequency flactuates)
Its obviously an annoying spammer/spam posting and i proceed to report to support desk on this, however it seems that its useless and he continues to travel around the server spamming this 15 liner FC recruitment and all i get is an automated generated reply from the GM for the last 4 times i had reported him


Do people get warnings/suspended/muted for constantly(frequently) spamming a 15 liner macro on shout in FF?


*name censored because tos

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So I personally have my chat list customized. I have everything in the Social bar, Party Bar (Which I also include Private messages), and FC Bar.

I don’t understand how that is spam. I would consider it spam if they shouted 50+ in 10 minutes.