So if anyone else remember, Yoshida hyped 3 things before endwalker. First is the platinum color, second is the Amano artwork of hydaelyn and zodiark, and last is "things on eorzea (pre-endwalker) that only Yoshida know, not even foxclon realize it". And he subtly implied those three are important for EW.
After finishing 6.0 though, I still don\\'t understand them. For hydaelyn and zodiark artwork, I guess it about "oh, that\\'s actually how they look like"?. Can\\'t find anything about platinum nor "things only Yoshida know" though.
(6.0 spoiler?) what's the deal with platinum color?
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12-23-2021, 01:38 PMKozh(6.0 spoiler?) what's the deal with platinum color?
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12-23-2021, 01:43 PMkaynide
Of interest, the Alchemical symbol for Platinum is a joined sun and moon. The sun is identical to Azem’s symbol..or rather the Azem symbol is the alchemical symbol for “Sun”.
I chalk it up to YoshiP having a soft spot for the more metaphysical things/symbolism.
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12-23-2021, 01:44 PMvan_arnClearly the conjugation of time between our incarnation of Azem and Hydaelyn.Quote:
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On a completely unrelated note, I want a dog version of Emet-Selch. Argos was perfection. -
12-23-2021, 01:48 PMkaynide
Very likely; I can’t imagine it’s just “Look! Azem’s goin to the moon!”
In addition, I would say it’s a shade of grey (not black or white; somewhere between), and also the Japanese today sat “Platinum” for platinum,…but it can be referenced as “Shirogane” which means “white metal” and includes all other silvery metals like silver or white gold. -
12-23-2021, 02:00 PMKozhBut hydaelyn is never symbolized as moon though. If you say it's Azem (sun) meeting past emet (representative of zodiark, which is the moon), I can understand that. Though it's still a stretch too imo.Quote:
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12-23-2021, 02:38 PMNekaru_Infitima
Venat, and Themis's hair are platinum, sorta so is Emet's.
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12-23-2021, 02:57 PMSilverObi
In terms of associations, platinum represents determination, grit, and seeing our manifestations to completion. Platinum in terms of alchemy meaning represents high achievement and reward for crafting our best selves. (Kaynide addressed this first) Very fitting overall with the path the MSQ went.
On top of a lot of the repeating nods to the alchemical suns / process of alchemy, it makes a lot of sense. One must be broken down and remade to reach perfection. Combine the virtues embodied by gold with the virtues of silver and you get the resulting platinum. -
12-23-2021, 03:07 PMvan_arnIt's exceptionally easy to symbolize her as the moon after playing through the MSQ. She did make the thing, after all.Quote:
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12-23-2021, 03:19 PMSilverObiVenat is another Azem though so that'd be two suns (arguably white and red knowing her role) meeting, not the sun and moon.Quote:
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12-23-2021, 03:25 PMPentheaVenat as Hydaelyn made the moon. Venat was also the previous Azem. If anything platinum symbolises her, when you take what I just said and platinum's alchemical symbol into consideration.Quote:
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12-23-2021, 03:49 PMkaynide
I wonder if the connection to alchemy itself is the key. That Dynamis and Aether are alchemically joined in the same way matter and energy are in our understanding of science.
That is to say, Aether can neither be created or destroyed, just converted to Dynamis..and vice versa? -
12-23-2021, 04:02 PMnighttimebunny
It's related to dynamis-the Elpis flowers that use dynamis are platinum.
Dynamis will probably continue to be important in the story. -
12-23-2021, 05:30 PMBlack_WingI wish they wouldn't have used that word...I get flashbacks of Dynamis raiding nights from FFXI.... nothing more infuriating than getting the group all setup and another group comes in, sniping the zone from you and locking you out of the zone your group was going to farm for relic armor and currency for the sponsor who paid for the entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by nighttimebunny
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12-23-2021, 08:18 PMvan_arnI whisper byne bill and walk away.Quote:
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12-23-2021, 09:04 PMTheodric
Whatever it was meant to be doesn't appear to matter much, I suppose. Perhaps it was changed during the delay. Neither Hydaelyn or Zodiark received much focus when finally the story opted to put them into the spotlight and even though Hydaelyn ended up getting slightly more time than Zodiark did, her motives were far less sympathetic and as vague/emotionally abusive as ever.
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12-23-2021, 09:39 PMKozhYeah I suppose you're right. Maybe it's on me for expecting some 4d chess plot twist from it lolQuote:
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12-23-2021, 09:45 PMTheodricTo be fair, I think it's perfectly understandable. A lot of us expected a bit more depth to the finale than what we ended up getting. Ultimately, it's very likely a consequence of the story arc ending in 6.0 when it was originally meant to come to a close in 7.0 instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozh
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12-23-2021, 10:02 PMExosapienI wouldn't say he hyped anything about "the platinum color". He explained his process and design goals. He wasn't saying, "Look forward to it!" He even mentioned how he understands that most people wont even understand what he's talking about. That happens a lot with creative type people. There are things that you just can't explain but make perfect sense to you. "Platinum" is his thing for EW. I'm also pretty sure a lot of context was lost in translation. His translators are amazing at what they do, but even the best translator can't always express the more intangible things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozh
The most obvious tie to this "platinum" theme is what the first person responded to this thread with. The Amano artwork was just something they were all very excited about (rightfully so) - and if you can't find the relevance to that in EW I don't know how to make it more obvious.
And as for things only Yoshi-P would know, how would anyone spot things that only he knows? -
12-23-2021, 11:04 PMKizuyaKatogami
I’ve just kind of stopped listening to Yoshi p tbh. A lot of what he says doesn’t seem to come to fruition. Like for example when he was teasing Endwalker way back when and he was saying things like “no one is safe, the scions aren’t safe just because they’re locked behind quests etc.” And yet nothing ever came from that.
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12-23-2021, 11:25 PMKozhI knew about that theory since before EW, as I frequently visit the ffxiv discord (lore channel), but the interpretation of platinum isn't really specific to EW. You can even match SB/ShB with it. But anyway,Quote:
Originally Posted by Exosapien
For amano art, he said "this is hydaelyn and zodiark, please look at this and revisit it again after you finish EW, you might find something interesting" (paraphrasing obviously).
Because he made it sound like a puzzle/challenge for the players to find after EW? So pre-EW obviously only he noticed that things, but after EW players should have been able to noticed it too, assuming those "things" really exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exosapien
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12-23-2021, 11:55 PMCatwho*shudders* I used to write up the Dynamis schedule for Seraph server on the ZAM forums, to prevent that from happening. And a new group would form and try to farm Xarcabard every raid night and we had to say, "You can't do that. There are four other raid groups that are already doing the same time slot, and they would like to farm Xarc and Beaucedine at least once a month too, you know?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Wing
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12-24-2021, 01:14 AMJennahAre you weirded out that we're fighting the PANDAEMONIUM WARDEN too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwho
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12-24-2021, 01:56 AMSeverianLyonesse
I think it's intended to point toward a few things:
1) Sun/Moon duality. We see that played with a lot in this expansion. We go to the moon, but we as Azem are the sun. The two jobs also have loose references to the sun and moon: Sage has Icarus and an LB3 that looks like sunbeams; Reaper has Harvest Moon and Waxing Slice.
2) Pointing toward alchemy and the pursuit of perfection. This is definitely a very "alchemy" themed expansion. We have an entire zone dedicated to creation magic. It is headed by Hermes, presumably a reference to the Hermetic Order. We see themes of perfectionism in Sharlayan (Fourchenault), Garlemald (Quintus), and even some discussions about it in Ultima Thule. Sage is also basically our alchemist job. I admit I don't quite know what platinum specifically has to do with the pursuit of perfection, but the alchemical signaling is very striking.
3) Yoshi-P's own interpretation of platinum as containing a "flash of gold". We see this visualized a couple of times in EW, but I think it makes a lot more sense when combined with his other theming pattern. The previous expansions were representing the sky at various parts of the day, and EW is supposed to be "A New Dawn" after "The Blackest Night". The logo and title screen seem to combine these two motifs where we see the glint of the sun peeping from behind the moon. I think in a more abstract sense Yoshi-P intends "platinum" and that "flash of gold" to suggest that hint of light at the end of the story, a visual representation for the hope of a new day. And since the whole point of Endwalker is finding hope in a hopeless world, I think that is very fitting imagery.
So, in summary, I think platinum makes enough sense for this expansion because it hits on EW's heavy alchemy and celestial themes, as well as serves as a nice embodiment of its themes of duality, perfectionism, hope, and one's ability to create their own purpose. -
12-27-2021, 05:26 PMLatisFarsight
For me, I thought Meteion was the platinum theme when she and her sisters were depressed they looked gray/black metal themed , even the blasphemies when they die they leave a black/gray haze thing. So I thought that was the theme the depressing idea of the final days which when we change Meteion's mind she gets her colors back. I don't know about the alchemy theme of sun and moon representing platinum, it just seems too far stretched for me. Again those were my thoughts I could be way wrong , we will know from yoshida himself hopefully soon.
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12-27-2021, 07:13 PMJennah
I mean, it's not like BLUE (Heavensward) and CRIMSON (Stormblood) meant all that much either.
Aymeric and Lyse dress in them; and we do a lot in the skies / there's (allegedly) a lot of blood. -
02-08-2022, 06:51 AMbutwherestherum
I think y'all are reading way too much into it.
Platinum is a very interesting color/element. The rusty texture adds shades of black beside the silverish surface. Black and white. Dark and light.
I think it was implying that the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc only existed as a basis or foundation for something beyond (they were literally created to serve one purpose), in the case of platinum, light and dark coming together to give rise to something made of both, but different. Which implied Endwalker's endboss would be something beyond Hydaelyn or Zodiark, and a new "foundation" made of both - which turned out to be dynamis. Dynamis being the realm of emotion is made of both extremes of light and dark. Meteion herself turned platinum multiple times, and she regains her color at the end.
The endboss being other than Zodiark is kind of spoilerish which is why Yoshi-P was so hesitant on the live letter when he mentioned platinum and insisted "I already said way too much."
Least that's my take on it.