Reaper, RPR

Playing 80+ with the RPR I found myself focused on the skill bar 90% of the time. 10% of the time I would catch a glimpse of the combat where I would be lucky to escape from a boss mechanic unharmed. Compared to other classes where my focus would be more on the fight and not looking if I’m pressing the correct key.

The problem is the positional movement. With RPR I have to always be on the move while pressing multiple possible combos. I think the positional requirements should be removed or at least fuse some of the skills like the solo instances where one button will do 3 combos.

Eh, this one is a you problem. We have two actual positional skills that we rotate through on single target. And you only hit them back to back during Gluttony, giving you plenty of time to reposition while opening Soul Reaver again in normal rotation.

Our AoE combo does shift from circle for our generator skills and cone for our spenders, with two circle spenders and one line spender. But aiming them isn't really hard at all and flows naturally. There is zero need to change any of that.

Yeah if they keep RPR as it is, but merged the combos. For example

When you press Soul Slice, Grim Swathe would show up next on that same key and then Guillotine since you’re doing a AOE anyways make it all one key press 3 times. If possible macro program it for the players to have an option to do so.

Is this just a longform way of asking for PVP combos? PVP combos aren't going to magically tear your eyes away from your hotbars to the battle.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Yeah if they keep RPR as it is, but merged the combos. For example

When you press Soul Slice, Grim Swathe would show up next on that same key and then Guillotine since you’re doing a AOE anyways make it all one key press 3 times. If possible macro program it for the players to have an option to do so.

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No. The last thing we need is the game getting even more dumbed down. You focus more on your action bars than on what is happening? Git better or play another job.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Yeah if they keep RPR as it is, but merged the combos. For example

When you press Soul Slice, Grim Swathe would show up next on that same key and then Guillotine since you’re doing a AOE anyways make it all one key press 3 times. If possible macro program it for the players to have an option to do so.

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Not needed.

We've had Reaper for a little over 2 weeks now, compared to a minimum of 2.5 years for the rest. Of the other jobs, how many can you say for certain that you were able to play it with minimal looking at your hotbars after only 2 weeks. Also bear in mind, Reaper starts at 70, other jobs start with less, so it is arguably easier to slowly build up the knowledge required to look at hotbars less.

All you need is more practice and familiarity with the job.

I think saying "always have to be on the move" is an overstatement. It's not that bad. At all. We only have 2 positionals, which are not in our main combo, and they always alternate so there's no guessing. Also, there's 2 charges of True North.

I actually find Reaper quite intuitive given that nothing is a random proc. You know exactly when your other skills will be available and when you can use them.

The levelling process always feels a little clumsy, especially when you're picking up a new job that you haven't previously mained and even more so if you're coming across from another role. Reaper will feel incredibly intuitive by the time you actually take it into Ex trials if you take the time to practice it.

I think the only thing you need is practice, with time and practice the job becomes incredible smooth and you have True north wich recast is at 60s perfect for the Gluttony 2 stacks of soul reaver if you want to, the job is perfect gameplay wise, it doesn't need any change at all.

Can't take you seriously when you say you can't see what's going on when you play a Lawlafell. Besides the Reaper buttons like up like a Christmas tree when you have enough gauge to spend it on something.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Yeah if they keep RPR as it is, but merged the combos. For example

When you press Soul Slice, Grim Swathe would show up next on that same key and then Guillotine since you’re doing a AOE anyways make it all one key press 3 times. If possible macro program it for the players to have an option to do so.

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This sounds awful to be honest.

You have two positionals on moves that you rarely use to begin with.

No offense but cmon.
If you have issues with this then you have significantly more problems to worry about in any content where your damage will actually have a real impact.
The positionals aren't even part of your main combo you have so much time to position yourself beforehand before they even happen.

Sounds like you are terribly confused on how reaper plays. You have next to no positional requirements compared to other melee.

Only two conditional attacks in the entire kit have potency bonuses for proper positioning. Gibbet and Gallows. That's it.

Missing them every now and again isn't going to hurt you any. They won't cause you to fail a fight.

Even so, its beyond easy to hit them.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Playing 80+ with the RPR I found myself focused on the skill bar 90% of the time. 10% of the time I would catch a glimpse of the combat where I would be lucky to escape from a boss mechanic unharmed. Compared to other classes where my focus would be more on the fight and not looking if I’m pressing the correct key.

The problem is the positional movement. With RPR I have to always be on the move while pressing multiple possible combos. I think the positional requirements should be removed or at least fuse some of the skills like the solo instances where one button will do 3 combos.

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Aaaaaand this is why all the jobs in the game don't require a brain stem to play anymore.

Yoshi P specifically said during the media tour this job was meant to be 'technical' and more involved. If you want to play a DRG clone, why not just play that?

What? I rarely have to move at all true north is up for almost every positional change. I just stay behind and true north anytime I need a side postional or right before gluttony. I may have to move like once every 2mins lol

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Originally Posted by OtakuSempai

Aaaaaand this is why all the jobs in the game don't require a brain stem to play anymore.

Yoshi P specifically said during the media tour this job was meant to be 'technical' and more involved. If you want to play a DRG clone, why not just play that?

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he said they were worried its gonna be too technical not that its meant to be
but its the easiest of all the melees rn

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Playing 80+ with the RPR I found myself focused on the skill bar 90% of the time. 10% of the time I would catch a glimpse of the combat where I would be lucky to escape from a boss mechanic unharmed. Compared to other classes where my focus would be more on the fight and not looking if I’m pressing the correct key.

The problem is the positional movement. With RPR I have to always be on the move while pressing multiple possible combos. I think the positional requirements should be removed or at least fuse some of the skills like the solo instances where one button will do 3 combos.

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Reaper has TWO positionals! Use true north if you cant get behind the boss or on the flank when you need to... you should be able to hit 90% of your positionals without much effort.... jesus.
I hated that monk had positionals on every button - but you people who complain about even two are just.... why? its not hard at all...

you arent using gibbet and gallows 90% of the time - so that is CLEARLY not the reason youre not looking up.

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Originally Posted by OtakuSempai

Aaaaaand this is why all the jobs in the game don't require a brain stem to play anymore.

Yoshi P specifically said during the media tour this job was meant to be 'technical' and more involved. If you want to play a DRG clone, why not just play that?

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this job is not "technical" its the easiest melee to play right now..

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Originally Posted by nelothi

this job is not "technical" its the easiest melee to play right now..

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I keep seeing people say this and I'm curious because I don't play melee, what makes the other jobs more difficult?

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Originally Posted by Tulzscha

I keep seeing people say this and I'm curious because I don't play melee, what makes the other jobs more difficult?

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Well for one you're punished for not using things on cd more.
Reaper is basically build gauge and spend gauge with few exceptions, it's kinda '' fail safe '' for a lack of a better term.

If you play MNK for example and don't pay attention to your Chakras or don't hit it fast enough it's a big deal but if you play Reaper and just zone out and don't spend your gauge it's generally not a concern unless you overcap.
Reaper is very forgiving in comparison to other Jobs, but I think some people believe that it's '' technical '' because you don't have a set point exactly where you need to do your spenders you have more choice.
But that doesn't actually make it more technical or difficult it does the opposite it makes it significantly easier and you need less awareness and attention to play it.

Edit: It's strange of the other guy to bring up DRG in a way that sounds so negative because DRG takes way more effort to play and I'd argue is more technical than Reaper.
There's more to weave and you need to know what can be double-weaved and what can't and when it's safe to use Jumps etc.

So it's a bit bizarre to present it as '' the devs made Reaper the technical pro job, not like that silly DRG ''.
Reaper is the Job you can zone out on and usually not be punished for it or just do 1 2 3 and forget about everything else while a mechanic happens and normally be fine.
You can't on DRG.

Comparing to Dragoon positionals specifically:

- Can't delay them, if you can't land a positional when it's time for it you'll just miss out on it
- Animation locks are something you need to constantly be mindful of
- You have to be careful not to mess up your line AOE positioning with your gap closers (while Reaper gap closer does no DPS and is not in your rotation)
- Your burst phase doesn't negate the need to land positionals
- The 2 finisher positionals are always immediately after each other - Reaper only has to immediately change position in a GCD every minute (when True North cooldown is 45s, so...)

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Originally Posted by popotaro

No. The last thing we need is the game getting even more dumbed down. You focus more on your action bars than on what is happening? Git better or play another job.

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I don’t struggle maximizing each classes potential. Compared to other classes I noticed where my attention went. I have no problem focusing on the skills 90% of the time since all the battles are fairly simple and staying alive to avoid mechanics. I will git good, but that one time you miss your positional you must tell yourself to also git good. If you cannot be perfect you cannot tell people to git good. Forever from here on out each time you mess up you will eat your own words.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

I don’t struggle maximizing each classes potential. Compared to other classes I noticed where my attention went. I have no problem focusing on the skills 90% of the time since all the battles are fairly simple and staying alive to avoid mechanics. I will git good, but that one time you miss your positional you must tell yourself to also git good. If you cannot be perfect you cannot tell people to git good. Forever from here on out each time you mess up you will eat your own words.

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When you know you might miss your positional, True North is your friend. Try again.

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Originally Posted by Tulzscha

I keep seeing people say this and I'm curious because I don't play melee, what makes the other jobs more difficult?

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The job has no friction to it at all. You have 2 gauges and they both build incredibly slowly so it is extremely easy to work around mechanics in a way that makes the other melee dps jealous. You have 1 damage cooldown to keep track of and it's on a 2 minute timer. 2 if you want to count gluttony but soul slice makes that super easy to hit on cooldown. You have 2 positionals, neither of which are part of a combo and also you have complete control over when you need to do them so it's nearly impossible to mess them up or find yourself in an inconvenient spot. You never have to double-weave ogcd's and your movement skills are completely detached from damage so you can use them strictly for positioning and not have to do the mental math that drg and sam do. Then there's the job specific odd stuff like drg animation lock, cursed double solar monk opener to align phantom rush, sam tsubame drift (which is still a problem, just not the cataclysmic disaster it was in shb). Literally the hardest thing about the job is remembering to refresh Shadow of Death.

Plus just get on The Balance and look at the assorted openers and then laugh at how basic reaper's is compared to the others.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

The job has no friction to it at all. You have 2 gauges and they both build incredibly slowly so it is extremely easy to work around mechanics in a way that makes the other melee dps jealous. You have 1 damage cooldown to keep track of and it's on a 2 minute timer. 2 if you want to count gluttony but soul slice makes that super easy to hit on cooldown. You have 2 positionals, neither of which are part of a combo and also you have complete control over when you need to do them so it's nearly impossible to mess them up or find yourself in an inconvenient spot. You never have to double-weave ogcd's and your movement skills are completely detached from damage so you can use them strictly for positioning and not have to do the mental math that drg and sam do. Then there's the job specific odd stuff like drg animation lock, cursed double solar monk opener to align phantom rush, sam tsubame drift (which is still a problem, just not the cataclysmic disaster it was in shb). Literally the hardest thing about the job is remembering to refresh Shadow of Death.

Plus just get on The Balance and look at the assorted openers and then laugh at how basic reaper's is compared to the others.

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Exactly this. If anything, I wish we had more oGCD to make the gameplay a bit more engaging while filling our bars.

Reaper has probably the least amount of management with its abilities.....Its the easiest melee to play.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

The job has no friction to it at all. You have 2 gauges and they both build incredibly slowly so it is extremely easy to work around mechanics in a way that makes the other melee dps jealous. You have 1 damage cooldown to keep track of and it's on a 2 minute timer. 2 if you want to count gluttony but soul slice makes that super easy to hit on cooldown. You have 2 positionals, neither of which are part of a combo and also you have complete control over when you need to do them so it's nearly impossible to mess them up or find yourself in an inconvenient spot. You never have to double-weave ogcd's and your movement skills are completely detached from damage so you can use them strictly for positioning and not have to do the mental math that drg and sam do. Then there's the job specific odd stuff like drg animation lock, cursed double solar monk opener to align phantom rush, sam tsubame drift (which is still a problem, just not the cataclysmic disaster it was in shb). Literally the hardest thing about the job is remembering to refresh Shadow of Death.

Plus just get on The Balance and look at the assorted openers and then laugh at how basic reaper's is compared to the others.

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What? Have you gotten to 90 yet? The gauges absolutely do not fill slowly.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

What? Have you gotten to 90 yet? The gauges absolutely do not fill slowly.

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Don't tell him about tagging all the trash in Alliance raids. Won't know what to do with all those souls.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

What? Have you gotten to 90 yet? The gauges absolutely do not fill slowly.

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In terms of buying you time to land positionals they absolutely do. With your charges stacking you will usually have a 5 GCD window to spend. The exception is your 60s cooldown.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

In terms of buying you time to land positionals they absolutely do. With your charges stacking you will usually have a 5 GCD window to spend. The exception is your 60s cooldown.

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Buying time for positionals what?

The only gauge that builds slow at any given time is Shroud gauge if you don't have big groups of mobs. Red gauge is only slow at the 50-60 range.

And once Circle is traited you have triple shroud every 2 minutes.

Buying time for positionals is silly with True North making it not matter at all.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Buying time for positionals what?

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You don't have to land your positionals at an exact step of your combo. If you have to move because of a mechanic you can just wait unless you are overcapping, which you rarely should be.

I think its really funny how in shroud mode you can hit the breaks and reapply Death design and it doesn't break the shroud combo or remove enhancements

Reaper's gauges are uptime dependent and they reset completely when you die. So the gauges do in fact build slowly if you're grossly underperforming. Hanlon's razor strikes again.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Reaper's gauges are uptime dependent and they reset completely when you die. So the gauges do in fact build slowly if you're grossly underperforming. Hanlon's razor strikes again.

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Ain’t that the truth. Feels horrible if you jump the gun and throw out a veiled when gluttony is coming off CD, you have no stacks of slice, and you’re back at zero shroud. 12.5s later….

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Originally Posted by Anatha

Sounds like you are terribly confused on how reaper plays. You have next to no positional requirements compared to other melee.

Only two conditional attacks in the entire kit have potency bonuses for proper positioning. Gibbet and Gallows. That's it.

Missing them every now and again isn't going to hurt you any. They won't cause you to fail a fight.

Even so, its beyond easy to hit them.

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You’re not taking into account that you can mess up and double gallows or gibbet, losing massive potency from the empowered versions. Same goes for the enshrouded versions.