NIN: New Jin+Chi+Ten/ Chi+Jin+Ten Ninjutsu?

I noticed in the Job Actions trailer that Huton could be activated without doing a Mudra combination. Could this perhaps mean we are getting a new Ninjutsu to replace it?

Looks to me like ninjas are now getting an elemental gap-closer. I think the developers are simply making the mudras elemental, and giving us the ability to elementally charge our oGCD's. Could be wrong though.

Another possibility is that they're attaching multiple abilities to every element.

There appears to be a standalone ability that applies Huton, and if we were to guess, a Huton related action enabled by Bunshin. (though it may be reduced from 5 hits to 4 and moved to 60 seconds).

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

Looks to me like ninjas are now getting an elemental gap-closer. I think the developers are simply making the mudras elemental, and giving us the ability to elementally charge our oGCD's. Could be wrong though.

Another possibility is that they're attaching multiple abilities to every element.

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From the job notes after the trailer ("Actions linked to Raiton, Doton and Huton will be added"), it seems more like Raiton has a follow up attack/combo.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

There appears to be a standalone ability that applies Huton, and if we were to guess, a Huton related action enabled by Bunshin. (though it may be reduced from 5 hits to 4 and moved to 60 seconds).

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Based on the job notes, that's what it looks like to me as well. They noted "An Action making it easier to apply Huton will be added". Additionally, they stated that there will be another Action linked to Huton.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

From the job notes after the trailer ("Actions linked to Raiton, Doton and Huton will be added"), it seems more like Raiton has a follow up attack/combo.

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CHIDORI!

I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Based on the job notes, that's what it looks like to me as well. They noted "An Action making it easier to apply Huton will be added". Additionally, they stated that there will be another Action linked to Huton.

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I'm ready to see Katon turn our AoE into flaming daggers. xD That, or see Doton imbuing our weaponskills. That's a nice direction for Ninja.

Ninjutsu seems like it might be getting a pretty massive overhaul when it comes to effects.

If you can apply Huton with the press of a button, then what is the benefit of doing the three action version?

Also I noticed there were several ninjutsu (and other skills) missing from the job action trailer. Like no suiton (and no trick attack) no hyoton, no hyosho ranryu, no gokka mekkyaku... and also no meisui since no suiton in the trailer.

Should also mention I never saw fire frog or bhavakakkra being used... so wonder what ninki will be used on now?

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Ninjutsu seems like it might be getting a pretty massive overhaul when it comes to effects.

If you can apply Huton with the press of a button, then what is the benefit of doing the three action version?

Also I noticed there were several ninjutsu (and other skills) missing from the job action trailer. Like no suiton (and no trick attack) no hyoton, no hyosho ranryu, no gokka mekkyaku... and also no meisui since no suiton in the trailer.

Should also mention I never saw fire frog or bhavakakkra being used... so wonder what ninki will be used on now?

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Yoshi-P played as a NIN when showing off the new Ground Target placement stuff and here is a screencap of his hotbars:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...24/unknown.png

Looking at the hotbars, you can see Trick Attack (Hotbar 2 Slot 7), Meisui (Hotbar 4 Slot 7), Hellfrog Medium (Hotbar 1 Slot 11), and Bhavacackra (Hotbar 4 Slot 8). Shadow Fang and Assassinate are the big ones that are missing, but they mentioned Shadow Fang was being removed so that's not surprising, while Assassinate was either removed or maybe DWaD turns into Assassinate once used, who knows. Also Bloodbath is missing, but it appears on Reaper's hotbars when Yoshi-P was showing that off.

I am concerned about the lack of Boiled Eggs though, Yoshi-P needs to stock up.

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Originally Posted by Styrmwyda

I noticed in the Job Actions trailer that Huton could be activated without doing a Mudra combination. Could this perhaps mean we are getting a new Ninjutsu to replace it?

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Hopefully. Though, I'm not sure what it would be.

To be honest, I also wouldn't be surprised if they ended up removing Hyoton entirely—replacing it with Suiton, moving Hyossho Ranryu from an enhanced Hyoton to an enhanced Fuma—and making any three-step combo into Doton.

:: When they first mentioned Huton being made easier to cast, I honestly thought they'd be differentiating the single-cast Ninjutsu so that Ten alone would be Huton, Chi alone would be something new, and Jin alone would be Fuma, or whatnot. Now that we've seen it in action, though, a separate (dynamic?) key for Huton does seem the more likely, as Kabooa pointed out.

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Originally Posted by Beddict

Yoshi-P played as a NIN when showing off the new Ground Target placement stuff and here is a screencap of his hotbars:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...24/unknown.png

Looking at the hotbars, you can see Trick Attack (Hotbar 2 Slot 7), Meisui (Hotbar 4 Slot 7), Hellfrog Medium (Hotbar 1 Slot 11), and Bhavacackra (Hotbar 4 Slot 8). Shadow Fang and Assassinate are the big ones that are missing, but they mentioned Shadow Fang was being removed so that's not surprising, while Assassinate was either removed or maybe DWaD turns into Assassinate once used, who knows. Also Bloodbath is missing, but it appears on Reaper's hotbars when Yoshi-P was showing that off.

I am concerned about the lack of Boiled Eggs though, Yoshi-P needs to stock up.

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Yeah I remember them saying that shadow fang is gone, and that they said Assassinate didn't go away. So it is interresting that with other jobs seeing all their skills showcased that ninja had several not shown. I was going to mention Kassatsu too, but I can see that on his hotbar.

There's nothing really wrong with huton-activation. My only problem with the mudras are hyoton and suiton, because by themselves they're rather useless, but they give you access to more powerful abilities.

Honestly, it looks like an OGCD huton button which also gives 5 ninki. Probably just going to be a thing you push on a long cd that gives us extra aeolean edges. You'll still have to prepull huton

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Originally Posted by Moenblyss

Honestly, it looks like an OGCD huton button which also gives 5 ninki. Probably just going to be a thing you push on a long cd that gives us extra aeolean edges. You'll still have to prepull huton

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Hopefully hide still resets Ninjutsu if that's the case. Would be really annoying to have to go back to 25sec raid prepulls otherwise.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Hopefully hide still resets Ninjutsu if that's the case. Would be really annoying to have to go back to 25sec raid prepulls otherwise.

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Rarely do they remove QoL unless its for jank, so I doubt it

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Originally Posted by Moenblyss

Honestly, it looks like an OGCD huton button which also gives 5 ninki. Probably just going to be a thing you push on a long cd that gives us extra aeolean edges. You'll still have to prepull huton

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Hopefully hide still resets Ninjutsu if that's the case. Would be really annoying to have to go back to 25sec raid prepulls otherwise.

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I wouldn't actually mind them removing the CD reset on Hide and just having Huton not trigger your mudras' cooldown if used out of combat instead... QoL buff.

Not a fan of the 5 Ninki on Huton cast, either, if that really is to be a thing.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I wouldn't actually mind them removing the CD reset on Hide and just having Huton not trigger your mudras' cooldown if used out of combat instead... QoL buff.

Not a fan of the 5 Ninki on Huton cast, either, if that really is to be a thing.

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No reason to do that change. if it aint broke dont fix it.

You do get 5 ninki with the "huton attack". The first Ability he uses is that, it gives you the full 60 seconds and 5 ninki

maybe kassatsu has been changed to give regular mudras follow ups

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Originally Posted by Duskane

maybe kassatsu has been changed to give regular mudras follow ups

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That would be awesome. I hope they also add one or two charges to your mudras.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

I'm ready to see Katon turn our AoE into flaming daggers. xD That, or see Doton imbuing our weaponskills. That's a nice direction for Ninja.

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In the trailer, Hakke Mujinsatsu had a dust cloud effect. I'm wondering if it was triggered by using after Doton? They did say an Action would be linked to Doton.

Why is everyone assuming Huton has a new activation instead of assuming they done a mudra combo before we got the part where they showed the recording lol. I mean we can't even see the buffs on the character... Maybe I am missing something, but to me it just seems like they pressed record just as he hit the ability, I mean you do have like 5 seconds to press the button after you do your combination.

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Originally Posted by Navnav

Why is everyone assuming Huton has a new activation instead of assuming they done a mudra combo before we got the part where they showed the recording lol.

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Because the LL mentioned a new, easier means of activation.

The skill that triggers Huton has its own button judging from Yoshi P's NIN hotbars during the demonstration of the new ground target settings, as does one of the new lightning abilities they showed off.

Ah ok, thanks for letting me know.

I guess the new huton action is for the times, where the boss jumps and your huton falls off. Since you cant hide, you have to spent a ninjutsu to get huton up again but now you can just use the new action and keep your ninjutsu.
Also I think its on the GCD, since it gives 5 Ninki like spinning edge, gust slash and throwing dagger.

Ninja already has a lot of buttons. Instead of just making it easier to get they should just make it a trait like they did with GL, Blood of the Dragon, and Enochian.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Ninja already has a lot of buttons. Instead of just making it easier to get they should just make it a trait like they did with GL, Blood of the Dragon, and Enochian.

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What's the point of even having the mudra system if you don't need to use it to activate their abilities?

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

There's nothing really wrong with huton-activation. My only problem with the mudras are hyoton and suiton, because by themselves they're rather useless, but they give you access to more powerful abilities.

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Hyoton is like a "Flee" ability for ninjas ... I personally use it when I get aggro'd in the open world like Eureka, Bozja and probably will alot through the EW MSQ , they won't get rid of it , not everything is there to maximize your damage . Suiton is still a 600 potency attack + 300/500/1000 depending on what follow up is used , I would hardly call it useless even by self

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Originally Posted by Ilyn

Hyoton is like a "Flee" ability for ninjas ... I personally use it when I get aggro'd in the open world like Eureka, Bozja and probably will alot through the EW MSQ , they won't get rid of it , not everything is there to maximize your damage . Suiton is still a 600 potency attack + 300/500/1000 depending on what follow up is used , I would hardly call it useless even by self

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Useless is probably the wrong word. I guess what I mean is, they share utility/function with other abilities, if you ignore the other abilities they give you access to, such as Trick Attack.

I am just kinda baffled by the removal of Shadow Fang, why was that necessary?...

If anything I think they should've removed the CD on it and just made it a 100% uptime dot.
Downtime on NIN is already really slow and dull.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I am just kinda baffled by the removal of Shadow Fang, why was that necessary?...

If anything I think they should've removed the CD on it and just made it a 100% uptime dot.
Downtime on NIN is already really slow and dull.

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I literally said the same thing here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-s-thoughts-on

My idea was to take all of Ninja's peripheral abilities such as shadowfang, throwing daggers, and armor crush and turn them into long-ranged comboed abilities with DOT/Debuff procs.

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

What's the point of even having the mudra system if you don't need to use it to activate their abilities?

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You would still use it to activate Fuma, Raiton, Doton, Kaiton, super Kaiton and super Hyton.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

You would still use it to activate Fuma, Raiton, Doton, Kaiton, super Kaiton and super Hyton.

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No no no, SE needs to stop breaking the aesthetic of the job. To me, there's no point in playing ninja if huton isn't a mudra ability. And it's so unnecessary, becaue huton is not hard to activate.

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

No no no, SE needs to stop breaking the aesthetic of the job. To me, there's no point in playing ninja if huton isn't a mudra ability. And it's so unnecessary, becaue huton is not hard to activate.

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Neither was Blood of the Dragon but look what happended to it.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Neither was Blood of the Dragon but look what happended to it.

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These classes are just becoming dumbed down and homogenized.

Good video detaining all the changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4uky2tcmr8 Pause after each new tooltip shows on screen to read about then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4uky2tcmr8

One-key Huton with 200 potency attack. No more long 4-key mudra before every battle

Is there a beta / PTR available so we can try the changes out and develop a new UI / keybind setup?

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Neither was Blood of the Dragon but look what happended to it.

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Blood of the Dragon had no opportunity cost or integral mechanics. You could literally assign it to an auto-clicker and it'd work just like a trait.

It was, in terms of actual complexity, a trait -- just with added button bloat for the purposes of having a shiny animation.

Shadow Fang being removed from the rotation? Yeah, that's needless shallowing. Enochian or, worse, BotD? No. That's just redeeming needless button bloat.

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

These classes are just becoming dumbed down and homogenized.

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It's not dumbing down exactly if they replace an easy to maintian trait and replace it with something more interresting. Losing greased lightning, which monk got three expansions worth of skills just devoted to helping maintain it, to now getting the masterful blitz, for example, is a good thing. Greased Lightning wasn't exactly hard to maintain, just really punishing if the fight forced you to drop it for whatever reason. And now the job has something more engaging. If they give ninja something more engaging than just hit Armor Crush every 40-60 seconds, then that's still better for the job.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

Is there a beta / PTR available so we can try the changes out and develop a new UI / keybind setup?

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The closest anyone is going to get to try the new changes is the media tour, otherwise, you will get your hands on it on release at the absolute earliest.

I'm glad NIN at least has something else to do during its "filler" period between burst windows thanks to the new Forked/Fleeting Raiju follow-ups after Raiton.