Benchmark trailer

So
Whm shows off what looks like an upgraded divine Bension
Sch shows off what looks like an upgraded Excog
Ast shows off what looks like an upgraded Cesletial Intersection
Sage shows off their medica equivalent, upgraded ST shield from the Sage reveal trailer and a damage spell.

Not impressed honestly if that turns out to be true with their effects.

Seriously? A divine benison upgrade? SE declares that they would solidify the pure/barrier healer divide, and instead they muddle WHM's position even further?

While I do hope that Excog gets an upgrade, I kinda doubt that what they showed was it. It felt more like a new barrier, which would be nice since it looked like it was an instant cast. SCH needs to actually get a wide variety of barriers instead of just a whole ton of oGCD healing spells.

Also, not impressed at all with Sage's animations. The ones from the original preview were okay aside from the basic heal spell, but an AOE heal where the nuliths just sparkle? That's real uninspired when they could do like a spin while shooting healing beams all around. They go through all the effort to put Sage on the spotlight only to show a mediocre looking spell.

I didn't expect much for healers in the benchmark since you only get to see one skill for most jobs, and healers always get shafted on it, but kinda sucks to see things be this bad in it.

It's too early to say for me. The benchmark trailer did not show much, which is disappointing, but this only showed a limited number of skills for each job. Until there is a Job Action Trailer, I will reserve my judgement.

I can only pray that the development team does a good job with with the Healers (and Tanks too).

https://i.imgur.com/TF3qUyH.jpg

omg yall grasping at straws here i'm dying from laughing at you all so hard.

The damage skill is an instant cast spell.

For those who may not know, weaponskills, spells, and abilities all follow a few set rules for visual effects with a few exceptions.

Weaponskills have a yellow swirl around the feet. Skills that have combo effects have a burst of thin green lines coming out of the player.

Spells with a cast time give a glowing aura based on the spell's element - Fire will be tinged red, lightning purple, etc. Instant cast spells have no indication.

Abilities almost universally have a swirl around the character that looks like water.

Given the context of the spell animation, I'm willing to bet the many-shooty-gun spell put on display was Sage's DoT effect.

(This is why we know, for example, that Gunbreaker's amazingly animated attack is an OGCD skill, at least, by following what the game has established. Everything subject to change.)

Here’s what I find confusing… what it seems like they predominately showed off for the healers was the same skill for all 4 (and a couple extra Sage actions)—some kind of oGCD barrier.

First and foremost: why? Why show off basically the same thing reskinned 4 ways? Past benchmarks were typically showing off somewhat new elements to each healer’s play style. In Stormblood’s benchmark for example, we saw Plenary Indulgence for WHM, Fey Union for SCH, and The Lord and Lady for AST—all of which were at least meant to be new approaches to their play styles.

Secondly, why do WHM and AST have new barriers if we’re supposed to be seeing a distinction between pure and barrier healers? Unless of course we’re wrong. But if we’re not, why create new barriers when both already have Divine Benison and Celestial Intersection anyway?

Are they trying to tell us that barriers will now be required for tanks to survive upcoming tank busters, and thus all 4 healers must have the same oGCD barrier?

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Here’s what I find confusing… what it seems like they predominately showed off for the healers was the same skill for all 4 (and a couple extra Sage actions)—some kind of oGCD barrier.

First and foremost: why? Why show off basically the same thing reskinned 4 ways? Past benchmarks were typically showing off somewhat new elements to each healer’s play style. In Stormblood’s benchmark for example, we saw Plenary Indulgence for WHM, Fey Union for SCH, and The Lord and Lady for AST—all of which were at least meant to be new approaches to their play styles.

Secondly, why do WHM and AST have new barriers if we’re supposed to be seeing a distinction between pure and barrier healers? Unless of course we’re wrong. But if we’re not, why create new barriers when both already have Divine Benison and Celestial Intersection anyway?

Are they trying to tell us that barriers will now be required for tanks to survive upcoming tank busters, and thus all 4 healers must have the same oGCD barrier?

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Single target barriers aren't the same as AOEs, and oGCD single target barriers are super limited.

Not gonna lie, I am starting to like Sage's aesthetic. I wasn't big on the weapon choice, (Nothing screams healer like four flying laser turrets, right?), but the shields and magic patterns are kinda growing on me. I also like the more blueish look they have given the spell effects. I really like that iridiscent indigo colour.

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Because of its uhhh...'watery' effect my first thought was UPGRADED FLUID AURA?!!

I like to stay optimistic, just because it's a barrier doesn't necessarily means it's a shield, right? it could be something like a debuff immunity bubble, or a debuff to anyone that hits the target, idk

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I like to stay optimistic, just because it's a barrier doesn't necessarily means it's a shield, right?

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uhhhhhhh...*sweats*

Divine Benison also has a bit of a watery effect, with bubbly distortions a water filling animation and a hexagonal pattern. But I am with you, hoping that its not just only a visual upgrade to a pre-existing ability but isntead adds some interesting mechanical element to WHM.

dare i hope that whm is getting its elements back?

bah who am I kidding, time will tell. From what I've seen, I am concerned that we are not going to get any fixes for the myriad gameplay problems healers have been suffering.

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dare i hope that whm is getting its elements back?

bah who am I kidding, time will tell. From what I've seen, I am concerned that we are not going to get any fixes for the myriad gameplay problems healers have been suffering.

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How... you can tell that just by looking at animations of one or two spells? o.o

I wonder if they are turning Divine beni into a more protect+heal instead of a shield like an inverted stone skin, at least that what it looked like to me.

Also am i crazy or did anyone else see the Mch weapon turn from a big pistol to a rifle for an attack.

And Reapers LB3 is genie hunter from soul eater calling it now lol

If they really want to make Divine Benison (and it's potentially upgraded skill) unique is to allow the shield to HEAL after it breaks so it can better fit the "Pure" healer dynamic that they are going with. Right now, the shield absorbs damage equivalent to 500 potency. Perhaps when the shield breaks, it heals a certain amount of potency.

My opinion though. Don't take it too seriously.

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How... you can tell that just by looking at animations of one or two spells? o.o

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You can't but you are able to tell that 1 of 2 things have happened

Either
A: they updated visuals on existing skills which almost never happens so yeah.

Or

B: Each healer is getting a new ogcd healing/shielding skill in EW. This is by far the more likely scenario of the two.



Now ask yourself do current healers need more ogcd healing power of any kind when we spend upwards of 80-100% of our gcds on damage spells.

Ogcds allow for that level of dps skill spam adding more power to them will just make that worse.

They want us to be healing focused by the way yet every design decision on healers has been doing the opposite effect we are currently our most dps centric we have ever been and yet we are also at our most bloated with healing options and deficit with damage options.


Inb4 goalpost moves to don't know what content be like so I then point my finger to Stormblood and Shadowbringers for the point nothing changes in content and how we have progressed as healers this far.

The cycle continues ....

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You can't but you are able to tell that 1 of 2 things have happened

Either
A: they updated visuals on existing skills which almost never happens so yeah.

Or

B: Each healer is getting a new ogcd healing/shielding skill in EW. This is by far the more likely scenario of the two.



Now ask yourself do current healers need more ogcd healing power of any kind when we spend upwards of 80-100% of our gcds on damage spells.

Ogcds allow for that level of dps skill spam adding more power to them will just make that worse.

They want us to be healing focused by the way yet every design decision on healers has been doing the opposite effect we are currently our most dps centric we have ever been and yet we are also at our most bloated with healing options and deficit with damage options.


Inb4 goalpost moves to don't know what content be like so I then point my finger to Stormblood and Shadowbringers for the point nothing changes in content and how we have progressed as healers this far.

The cycle continues ....

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I can understand maybe 1 new dps skill for each healer but some of y’all act like y’all want 5-6 dps skills to have a whole healer dps rotation. That’s not gonna happen. Those 5 scholar dot days are over. We have allot of healing abilities because we are healers. I agree that some heals can be removed and replaced with more support like skills but not dps. People get to focused on it then cause deaths by not healing. I may get hate for this but I agree that healers shouldn’t have many dps options. Also I do agree that the damage scaling could be higher so we can heal a bit more. I don’t mind the 1 button dps spam but I know others want a little bit more and that’s fine. 1 new dps skill for each. I can get with that. Just not 4-5 new dps skills. No no no.

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All I want for my WHM is to have Aero III back as well as making Fluid Aura a proper dps skill (if Y'shtola can have water spells as a Black Mage, so can we). If they can do that, as well as the overall damage taken going up across the board, I will be happy. Though I wouldn't mind nerfs to Thin Air. MP Management for WHM is WAY too easy.

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All I want for my WHM is to have Aero III back as well as making Fluid Aura a proper dps skill (if Y'shtola can have water spells as a Black Mage, so can we). If they can do that, as well as the overall damage taken going up across the board, I will be happy. Though I wouldn't mind nerfs to Thin Air. MP Management for WHM is WAY too easy.

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Yeah all healers should get an aoe dot. I agree with that. Kinda tired of putting dots on every mob individually. So I agree with you there.

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Those 5 scholar dot days are over. We have allot of healing abilities because we are healers.

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Girl, don't start.

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I can understand maybe 1 new dps skill for each healer but some of y’all act like y’all want 5-6 dps skills to have a whole healer dps rotation. That’s not gonna happen. Those 5 scholar dot days are over. We have allot of healing abilities because we are healers. I agree that some heals can be removed and replaced with more support like skills but not dps. People get to focused on it then cause deaths by not healing. I may get hate for this but I agree that healers shouldn’t have many dps options. Also I do agree that the damage scaling could be higher so we can heal a bit more. I don’t mind the 1 button dps spam but I know others want a little bit more and that’s fine. 1 new dps skill for each. I can get with that. Just not 4-5 new dps skills. No no no.

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"We're healers so we have a lot of heals and we shouldn't have DPS buttons" shows that you clearly have no understanding of how healing content is played in this game nor have any understanding of the fundamental aspects of game design.

Tell me, how much of your healing kit do you have to use when playing through the MSQ? How much of it do you use during FATEs? How much of it do you use during Roulettes? How much of it do you use during dungeons? How much of it do you use in Treasure Map Dungeons? How much of it do you use doing Beast Tribe Quests? How much of it do you use in Bozja? How much of it do you use while farming EX trials?

There's a drastic disconnect between how healers are designed and how content is designed. The philosophy that healers should have loads of healing and no DPS would be fine in another game that isn't Final Fantasy XIV, and if that's the playstyle the developers want healers to have, then they need to change how content is played in order to support that playstyle, but they won't do that either. What we get in the end result is an entire role of mind-numbingly dull jobs that have kits hyperloaded with tools that are good in concept, but never or rarely get used because there's so infrequently a need to use them, and a Balan Wonderland-level approach to the vast majority of what we're actually doing. You can't just say "well that's how a healer should play" and force people to play that way when the gameplay clearly doesn't promote that playstyle in any way, shape, or form.

Or perhaps just continue to ride on the influx of new players to take over baling out the healing ship while the rest of us veteran healers who have been hear since ARR, HW, and/or SB abandon ship after years and years of being ignored. I know I've already left for Dancer since the beginning of ShB, and honestly, I'm incredibly happy I did. I feel like it would've destroyed my hype for the story trying to go through it as a healer. "'Scuse me, Ran'jit, while I take an additional 8 minutes slapping you with Glareficoil and nothing else."

I'm definitely worried about the Benchmark skills. Most of them looked like visual upgrades to old skills, not only including healers but also tanks and dps. It makes me fear the devs will not fix any problems with the classes, that they will keep this disconnect between content and Job kit for healers thinking that everything is fine and that the only thing Healing Jobs need is a visual upgrade to some of their skills.

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I can understand maybe 1 new dps skill for each healer but some of y’all act like y’all want 5-6 dps skills to have a whole healer dps rotation. That’s not gonna happen. Those 5 scholar dot days are over. We have allot of healing abilities because we are healers. I agree that some heals can be removed and replaced with more support like skills but not dps. People get to focused on it then cause deaths by not healing. I may get hate for this but I agree that healers shouldn’t have many dps options. Also I do agree that the damage scaling could be higher so we can heal a bit more. I don’t mind the 1 button dps spam but I know others want a little bit more and that’s fine. 1 new dps skill for each. I can get with that. Just not 4-5 new dps skills. No no no.

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One new dps skill doesn't make a rotation. What the healers need is our entire DPS kit (which is just two buttons for single target anyways so it's not much) replaced with something new.

I won't advocate for the old 5 dot SCH coming back, as what made that so fun was cleric stance, which I don't think is something which should come back either. It creates too high of a skill floor when transitioning from a passive healer to a proper active healer.

But frankly, I'm tired of just throwing on a prepull adlo, sacred soil, excog, then broiling the boss to death, pulling out an oGCD heal once every 30 seconds or so. Really, if our healing gets any better, we'll become AFK healers, as I could just throw everything on a macro during boss fights, only to come back to pick up the loot.

Seriously, just have a look at the world first videos on youtube from a healer's perspective. All they do is throw a few AOE heals once or twice a minute and just spam their 1 dps button for the rest of the fight. There's almost never any healer specific mechanics to even make up for this either.

The fact that it's this bad for the people who only barely clear the hardest content goes to show how messed up our kit is in relation to the content. And that doesn't even start with casual content, where the healing requirements are even lower to the point that I basically never have to touch my GCD heals once if I didn't want to.

What are we healers supposed to do when every single GCD in any regular duty is free to be used for DPSing? Just hit one button while youtubing? Cuz that's where we're standing right now.

To me it looks like they are creating utility by fusing certain abilities together. Here’s how I interpreted what I saw in the benchmark:

WHM: Divine Bennie + Protect
SCH: Aldo + Haste
AST: Barrier that procs a heal

In previous benchmark trailers they didn’t always showcase the most interesting new skills, so I’m cautiously optimistic that they are saving the good stuff for the Actions Preview, but we will see…

To me it looks like they are creating utility by fusing certain abilities together. Here’s how I interpreted what I saw in the benchmark:

WHM: Divine Bennie + Protect
SCH: Adlo + Haste
AST: Barrier that procs a heal

In previous benchmark trailers they didn’t always showcase the most interesting new skills, so I’m cautiously optimistic that they are saving the good stuff for the Actions Preview, but we will see…

At this point, healers might as well get a dps rotation. Healbots will do the same thing as usual and just stand with not touching a single dps button.

My thing is, you're not a better healer by sitting there and waiting for damage to take place. So contribute and at least dot.

But back to the topic, until the media tours, we won't know anything about the abilities or how much much they've changed. Though I'm not holding out hope because they've yet to do anything significant for the healers.

There was not a single fairy in the trailer btw which, with how we can see all of the healers getting kind of a single target ogcd shield, makes me thing they are even more streamlining them. I really wish to be wrong on this one, so so much.

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Girl, don't start.

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Already started boo. Just stating my opinion. At most I think we will see one more dps skill added to each healer but there won’t be no major dps changes to them. We will still be spamming that one upgraded dps skill. It is what it is.

The problem with that thinking is nobody applies it to any other role. Tanks are not told to just press mitigation and get two damage buttons. It's also bad considering we had damage skills added that were taken away, meaning that this hasn't always been how the devs handled healers.

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The problem with that thinking is nobody applies it to any other role. Tanks are not told to just press mitigation and get two damage buttons. It's also bad considering we had damage skills added that were taken away, meaning that this hasn't always been how the devs handled healers.

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That wasn’t until the forums were flooded with healers not healing, healers need to heal more and stop dps etc. That’s when it changed. Now the devs are all about wanting healers to heal. I don’t have an issue with a bit of both but at the same time if healers have many dps skills then they will be expected to uphold a certain amount of dps. Creating more toxicity than it already is. Healers dps is a triggering topic for some. All I’m saying is don’t expect the devs to give in. They won’t. They have been extremely clear where they stand with with healers and we just gotta deal with it.

Well my broader point is that I'd be happy healing more, but the way it is now is bad for everybody, not just healers who like dpsing. Our heals don't interact with each other, so sylphies can't get enjoyment out expressing skill through efficiently healing, and ppl who like doing dmg have to hit 2 buttons 90 percent of the time. This doesn't work at any level friend.

If the devs think the number of abilities healers have for dealing damage is the cause of them using said abilities so often, they've got support class game design all wrong.

"Healers spend too much time doing damage and not enough healing" is a consequence of low outgoing damage. Healers failing to keep the party alive and tunnel visioning on damage is a consequence of either being unskilled at healing, making a mistake, zoning out because the damage dealing is just so incredibly boring, or some combination of the three.

The current state of healers is down to a confluence of mindsets. Some of the most important are:
- Healing Should Be Easy So Sprouts Aren't Scared (which makes healing a snooze)
- Healers Should Heal Only And Nothing Else (which makes damage dealing a snooze, because apparently making damage kits boring is how you discourage using them?)
- Expecting Healers To Do Damage Is A Stain On The BadWrongEvil Community (which encourages newbie healers to never improve, which in turn empowers the idea that keeping healers simple and boring is a Good Thing That The Devs Want)

Those three mindsets keep dragging the healing role into the trashfire that it keeps returning to. Even when they make baby steps out of it, it just comes right back again. You don't catch the DPS forums making faces at the idea that they should, shock and horror, use Feint, or Addle, or buff the party, because DPS Should Deal Damage Only And Nothing Else.

I agree completely. Imo the worst thing these changes have done is make playing efficiently and playing fun diametrically opposed to each other. Lilies on WHM, Aetherflow gutting attempts on SCH, it's seems like the devs and players who support them want to say "you aren't here to play well, yourre here to facilitate other ppls fun" like a healbot quest npc.

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If the devs think the number of abilities healers have for dealing damage is the cause of them using said abilities so often, they've got support class game design all wrong.

"Healers spend too much time doing damage and not enough healing" is a consequence of low outgoing damage. Healers failing to keep the party alive and tunnel visioning on damage is a consequence of either being unskilled at healing, making a mistake, zoning out because the damage dealing is just so incredibly boring, or some combination of the three.

The current state of healers is down to a confluence of mindsets. Some of the most important are:
- Healing Should Be Easy So Sprouts Aren't Scared (which makes healing a snooze)
- Healers Should Heal Only And Nothing Else (which makes damage dealing a snooze, because apparently making damage kits boring is how you discourage using them?)
- Expecting Healers To Do Damage Is A Stain On The BadWrongEvil Community (which encourages newbie healers to never improve, which in turn empowers the idea that keeping healers simple and boring is a Good Thing That The Devs Want)

Those three mindsets keep dragging the healing role into the trashfire that it keeps returning to. Even when they make baby steps out of it, it just comes right back again. You don't catch the DPS forums making faces at the idea that they should, shock and horror, use Feint, or Addle, or buff the party, because DPS Should Deal Damage Only And Nothing Else.

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Something else I don't understand is why we can't also break healers down into how easy it is for them heal? Like one thing about ARR's WHM and SCH was that SCHs had a much harder time healing. We needed to manage our damage reductions and actually use our shields because our only real way to power heal the party was through succor spam. Meanwhile WHMs had a much easier time with Cure III and Medica II to make it very easy for them to respond to heavy damage with equally heavy healing. What's wrong with having some more complex healers for players that want that? Why does every healer NEED to appeal to every healer player? As long as the numbers are balanced at the end of the day, who not add some variety in how challenging different healers are? It seems to not be a problem for DPS players to have more complex DPS than others.

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Something else I don't understand is why we can't also break healers down into how easy it is for them heal? Like one thing about ARR's WHM and SCH was that SCHs had a much harder time healing. We needed to manage our damage reductions and actually use our shields because our only real way to power heal the party was through succor spam. Meanwhile WHMs had a much easier time with Cure III and Medica II to make it very easy for them to respond to heavy damage with equally heavy healing. What's wrong with having some more complex healers for players that want that? Why does every healer NEED to appeal to every healer player? As long as the numbers are balanced at the end of the day, who not add some variety in how challenging different healers are? It seems to not be a problem for DPS players to have more complex DPS than others.

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I don't disagree, but there are two historical things that pose an issue with that. Not that *I* have a problem with addressing those things, but we've seen them play out in how healer design has worked over the past 6ish years.
1) The "complicated" healers tend to...not be happy when the "simple" healer has equivalent output. Rabble rabble "we should have more output for being more complex" rabble rabble, which totally ignores the fact that, if designed this way, what you end up with isn't simple vs complex; you get novice intro class vs directly superior upgrades. I've seen this argument break out basically every time Babby's First WHM gets anywhere close to the damage output AST and SCH have. That's the rub though. If WHM has nothing going for it other than direct healing and damage, and it doesn't uniquely shine at either one of them, then it's just dead weight.
2) Historically, for WHM at least, "simple" hasn't just been a DPS complexity thing. It's lacked anything engaging to do outside spamming Stone and basic b*tch heals that don't really build to anything, maybe the occasional utility oGCD with a long cooldown, often from the role system. There's simple, and then there's simple. WHM's unbelievably simplistic design drags the entire role down when you factor in Squeenix's need to keep the jobs balanced. When your competition can regen, and do fantastic personal damage, and shield, and reduce incoming damage, and buff party damage, and buff party speed, and debuff the boss, and move really easily, and weave without difficulty, and their downside is that they can bring the entire party from empty to full with three twitches of their fingers instead of two, then the healer that can do only the first two things reliably, and maybe the second two every now and then has a really hard time keeping up in the grand scheme of things.

Complexity can be a sliding scale. Squeenix has historically screwed the pooch by making it -very- black and white on healers. If we just go back to the Wonder Twins plus Level 90 Conjurer, expect the same gross imbalances of the past to come back. I'm so tired of WHM being the "baby healer" just because the world outside Cure and Stone is scary.

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Something else I don't understand is why we can't also break healers down into how easy it is for them heal? Like one thing about ARR's WHM and SCH was that SCHs had a much harder time healing. We needed to manage our damage reductions and actually use our shields because our only real way to power heal the party was through succor spam. Meanwhile WHMs had a much easier time with Cure III and Medica II to make it very easy for them to respond to heavy damage with equally heavy healing. What's wrong with having some more complex healers for players that want that? Why does every healer NEED to appeal to every healer player? As long as the numbers are balanced at the end of the day, who not add some variety in how challenging different healers are? It seems to not be a problem for DPS players to have more complex DPS than others.

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THIS.IS.THE.PROBLEM.RIGHT.HERE!

SE goes out of their way to make Gunbreaker, a tank for DPS players that's both fun, active, and busy, while in the same expac, gutted EVERY.SINGLE.HEALER! There's been no attempt at making any of the healers interesting, instead just consolidating them and making them all identical aside from their signature differences.

SE's proven than they can do it as long as they're motivated, but it feels like while they can scape a little bit of motivation for tanks (seeing as how badly they treated WAR and DRK), they couldn't be arsed in the slightest for healers.

I don't like to say that WHM should be simple and boring for the sake of ease of play, but if it means that we can have nice, complex, dynamic, and engaging healer jobs, then it's a trade I'd be more than willing to do. Though admitedly, I've never liked WHM so I'm pretty biased there, but WHM is the only healer you get before level 30, sadly enough.

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I don't disagree, but there are two historical things that pose an issue with that. Not that *I* have a problem with addressing those things, but we've seen them play out in how healer design has worked over the past 6ish years.
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For you two cases, how would you feel if WHM was more set up so that the difficulty came from pulling out maximum healing while doing mechanics? The end result would vary wildly admittedly, but if, like now but on a better designed skill set, the difficulty doesn't come from spamming attack spells on a striking dummy, but the loss of uptime from movement, with limited ways to gain free movement (like swiftcast and stuff)? The base job would be easy to do well in, but the moment you started to do any remotely difficult content, you'd quickly start dropping damage until you learned to get better at it?

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And Reapers LB3 is genie hunter from soul eater calling it now lol

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nuuh~! ;w; Give me that Djinn Hunter as a badass oGCD ability on a big CD, that feels great to use! >(=w=)>

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

I'm definitely worried about the Benchmark skills. Most of them looked like visual upgrades to old skills, not only including healers but also tanks and dps. It makes me fear the devs will not fix any problems with the classes, that they will keep this disconnect between content and Job kit for healers thinking that everything is fine and that the only thing Healing Jobs need is a visual upgrade to some of their skills.

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I am going to be deeply disappointed, if this turns out to be the case... For not just the Healers, but also the Tanks and Damagers that need changes.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

I can understand maybe 1 new dps skill for each healer but some of y’all act like y’all want 5-6 dps skills to have a whole healer dps rotation. That’s not gonna happen. Those 5 scholar dot days are over. We have allot of healing abilities because we are healers. I agree that some heals can be removed and replaced with more support like skills but not dps. People get to focused on it then cause deaths by not healing. I may get hate for this but I agree that healers shouldn’t have many dps options. Also I do agree that the damage scaling could be higher so we can heal a bit more. I don’t mind the 1 button dps spam but I know others want a little bit more and that’s fine. 1 new dps skill for each. I can get with that. Just not 4-5 new dps skills. No no no.

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Sch last expansion had broil, two Dots, miasma II for weaving and AOE, ruin 2, energy drain, and shadowflare. Don't give me that crap. We've had it before, and it was infinitely more fun.

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Sch last expansion had broil, two Dots, miasma II for weaving and AOE, ruin 2, energy drain, and shadowflare. Don't give me that crap. We've had it before, and it was infinitely more fun.

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I never said it was a mistake giving healers dps rotations. What I said was the forums were filled with dissatisfied casual players who complained that in dungeons, extremes and normal raids healers were not healing much because they were to busy with dps.

Yoshi P himself said the reason scholar lost all its dot glory was because they were leaving their co healer which was whm or Astro to do all the healing while they dps and just used faerie skills. Let’s stop acting like this is brand new. Yoshi P already spoke on this. This game caters to 80% which are casuals and that’s being generous. Healers pressing one button boring as heck? Yes but it’s the way they want it now. Complaining on the forums isn’t gonna change that. They have been very clear they want healers to focus more on healing. It is what it is. Y’all out here acting brand new like this is new news and y’all are so shocked