I'm kinda getting tired of the back and forth on these forums. It's all 'I want SE to take this away from other players' all the time. I don't want to argue about how to stop housing resellers, or about placard clicking or bots that have been created to make a quick buck off people desperate to get a house. I want SE to finally, definitively, put an end to this.
Give us more housing wards.
Not two or three, as is the usual.
A hundred. No, five hundred. A /thousand/.
Give us enough that you can remove all the current restrictions. People can own as many homes as they can have alts on a server and who cares, there's enough housing to go around. Hell give us two more subdivisions, so there's 4 divisions per ward.
I don't want to hear 'but but but server space yadda yadda'. If SE is determined to keep housing like this, then figure out a way to drop enough housing wards on us that it'll take a good long time for them to fill up.
Stop making players fight with each other for housing, SE. I'm tired of the divisions it's caused. Put out the fire, it's in your power to do so.
Don't just give us /more/ housing. Give us /enough/ housing.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Give Us More Housing Wards.
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07-02-2021, 08:39 AMNepenthaGive Us More Housing Wards.
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07-02-2021, 09:45 AMBladehawkGive me!
Se......no
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07-02-2021, 10:00 AMItMeIt'd be nice if it were this easy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepentha
If they could simply do it by virtue of wanting to do it hard enough. -
07-02-2021, 03:45 PMDrWho2010
ok and do you want the sub cost of the game to increase like 10 fold? server space/maintenance costs ain't cheap!
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07-02-2021, 09:58 PMCatstabI've guessed previously that 80 wards would cover everyone. With the population expansion, you're probably right that 100 is closer to the need. With Ishgard factored in 100 wards is 30,000 houses per server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepentha
Right now we're slated for 7200 houses per server with Ishgard and 24 wards, or 9000 houses per server if we end up gaining +6 wards with 6.2 as we have in 4.2 and 5.35.**
I'd like to expand upon your idea a little if I may, if only because I worry that opening 100 wards would mean only the premium plots would be filled, and immediately premium plots would become unavailable in all 100 wards on most servers (looking at you, NA.) So my suggested tweak would be: weekly ward rollouts (stopping at 100). The +76 wards you suggest would take 19 months in total to add if the rate was 1 ward per week. If 3 wards were released weekly, it would take just 6 months to get to 100 wards. Ward creation days are some of the best days for first time buyers to get homes, because those people get to skip the timer and the damaging experience of camping. Allowing for more of these events to give opportunities to more of these first time buyers is the thinking behind my suggestion.
As another poster points out - 100 wards would probably hit us in the wallet. I'd be really curious to know what kind of money would support 100 wards, and if it would be best addressed through a larger sub or through mog station housing. Because someone's going to pay for it, and as the customer we are that someone.
**4.2 gives +6 wards: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...33e139e9792abf
5.1 gives +3 wards: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...e225f833b8c3e6
5.35 gives +3 wards: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...c440f300e12f75 -
07-03-2021, 02:02 AMAlmagnus1
Servers aren't cheap. That said, a datacenter tour where they show us how many servers are dedicated to what would be useful... if only to stop the "iT's So EaSy! JuSt AdD mOrE wArDs!" posts.
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07-03-2021, 03:14 AMSotaris
As someone working in IT, I can with confidence say OP have no idea what the cost would result in for SE and the development team's budget.
We will likely see more wards soon enough with the new server hardware able to be installed (which been delayed to to covid restrictions for traveling).
This will never happen for security reasons. SE don't own their datacenters and getting permit to go in to document and film, no way that will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
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07-03-2021, 04:54 AMAlmagnus1Would still be interesting to see if only to help put things into perspective. Besides, once you get into the area where the servers actually are, there's not much to see there other than racks of computers... it's all the stuff from the outside world getting to that point that shouldn't be recorded because of what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotaris
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07-03-2021, 04:54 AMKenkyOh, certainly! If you would be so kind as to happily donate thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars (marked for inflation and then exchanged to Japanese currency) for getting the wards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepentha
What do you mean that's unreasonable to ask? SE will have to pay for extra servers, upgrade current ones with new hardware and maybe even create a new server hub, which could cost even more from Land-purchase and taxation on the property.
It's already been said multiple times that FFXIV servers are kind of at-capacity most of the time, so to add more things for the server to load At all times could be the straw that breaks the camels back. Not to mention SE outright coming out and saying that Housing isn't high on their priority list, as the story, dungeons, raids and such (The things that the majority of players.. Well, PLAY for.) are more important and get more resources than the 'optional' areas.
that isn't to say they aren't trying. The Firmament is proof they are trying to find a nice middle-ground with wanting their "neighborhood" style housing, while trying to add more wards to offer supply. Granted, it'll likely never surpass the Demand. But thats because everyone hates Apartments for pointless reasons, with the only real push-back is "well I want to crossbreed plants". Do you know how many people use this excuse, yet hardly ever (if at all) use their crop plots to crossbreed? It's a pretty darn small number. (On Mateus / Balmung that is..)
Get an apartment and wait until a House comes available. If that's not good enough for you, then take your entitlement elsewhere. I doubt I'm the only person that's tired of people coming in with outlandish demands, without doing their research as to why things are the way they are. -
07-03-2021, 05:42 AMSotarisIs it? You just said it, it's a bunch of racks and noice AC units to cool off the server racks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
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07-03-2021, 05:45 PMThemarvin
The amount of houses requested for is so massive it would make no sense to implent it, and if so people should be allowed to own 5 houses on same character or something, as in these wards would become really really empty.
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07-04-2021, 05:19 AMImora
I just want a damn house in Ishgard.
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07-04-2021, 05:37 AMSotarisSoon tmQuote:
Originally Posted by Imora
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07-04-2021, 12:38 PMThorncraft
Plot is relinquished [placard does state for Relocation or Sale during their respective phases] > Invisible 10-hour-timer starts for Relocation (that's 42% of a real day to decide). Once Relocation timer is up no more Relocation and the plot goes up for sale > next 0-4 hours that plot can not be bought (that is minimum of 58% of a real day to login and see there could potentially be a plot up, given the relocation goes unphased) > 4-12 hours the invisible timer starts (like the current one) > invisible timer goes off or after 12 hours > the plot goes up for insta-purchase. The minimum amount of turn around time would be 14 hours from relinquish to purchase with max being 26 hours. Relocation still gets priority but timers favor a buyer. Lastly, the knowledge of a rough buy window with only an 8 hour spam window is priceless. What do you think?
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07-06-2021, 04:37 AMImoraI won't get one. They'll all be camped by a dozen people right when the servers come up and i haven't got a chance in hell at beating a clickbotter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotaris
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07-06-2021, 05:45 AMAlmagnus1Tbh, the only two ways we're going to make this equally fair (or equally unfun) is to either have a housing raffle for a plot (where everyone buys a ticket, one person gets it, and the rest get moogle mails with their ticket back) or we just straight up auction off the house. I'm only OK with the later if we get something like EVE Online's PLEX ( https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Accounts#PLEX ) within FFXIV, so that way someone can throw money at SE, get a ton of gil from the AH by selling off the PLEXs (maybe fantasias here?), and then spending it that way as that provides an RMT path that's safe for everyone involved that doesn't dump gil into the economy while SE takes their cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imora
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07-06-2021, 05:51 PMFrizzeIf you can be awake and online when the servers come up for a new ward opening(like ishgard will be), you WILL have a chance at a house. Before(a day/week/whatever) the patch goes live, tour the sample ward to see which plots you like the most. If you have one favorite, practice which aethernet option brings you closest and the path you need to run to get to the placard. Having a couple you like is best. Larges and mediums will have the most competition(expect those to sell out in under 10 minutes), but your server is getting more then 1400 new houses all at once so you are guaranteed a shot. You see the key is, you cant actually camp out in front of the placard of the house you want - no one can. The wards dont exist for you to zone into/out of until after the patch goes live. So what you actually do is log out either at the main aetheryte for the town you want to live in, or at the other entrance to the wards. Camp out with the money to purchase in your inventory(you dont want to assume you have time to visit retainers to withdraw money), and as soon as you come online use /busy to make sure no one can interfere with you(unlikely, but why risk it). Then click on the aetheryte-residential aethernet/walk into or interact with the entrance to the district. This will bring up the list of wards. Any house that hasnt been bought yet will have a price listed in white(purchased lots will have a person or FC name in red or green). Quickly scan the wards for one where your first choice is open - keeping in mind that people are slower to get around to the sub-division lots so you have extra time there. Zone over, do your practiced run. If you are the first person there, you will just click and buy. Someone being a botter makes no difference, first to arrive will be all that matters. If you see someone beat you to it, you can try to quickly pop back to the entrance and search for another ward with your first choice. Otherwise, get to your second/third choice. While the larger plots will sell out super fast(5-10 mins), the 1000ish small lots will take a while to all get snagged up. As short as 30-45 minutes on the busiest servers, while the slowest servers could take a day or more for that many lots to be gobbled up. So even if you dont get into the server in the very first wave and get que'd, youll have a real shot at a house provided you can be awake and log in roughly when the servers go live on patch day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imora
All of the above pre-supposes that this will be a FFA open. If they do a limited release for FCs only then the rules change. If you arent in an FC then you will have time to make a solo FC and level it up(theyll probly give you a 2 weeks heads up and it honestly doesnt take as long as you might think). If you are already solo FC'd or have an FC without a lot, just log in relatively early on patch day. With personals, all the houses will sell fairly quick. If its FC only, logging in during the morning hours will get you your choice of small lot(the larges and mediums will still be gone in 10 mins). Most servers dont have 1400+ FCs* looking for housing, so there will be lots available all day(and likely all week - most servers would still have some unclaimed when the restriction is lifted and personal houses can be bought).
*Yes, im aware that some of the lots will be relocated into so it wouldnt actually take 1400+ FCs to fill the land. I doubt it will be close to a majority. The people ive talked to about this by and large dont like the feel of the firmament for housing, so unless the housing district is significantly different and better they wont be leaving their old lots. This leaves more and better choices for those who do like it. And yes, im one who doesnt plan to move. I like my ward, i like my district, i like my lot. -
07-06-2021, 09:12 PMSotarisPretty easy, there will be many wards opened up. Plan your route and don't pick 1st or last ward and go for sub division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imora
Also helps to have SSD to cut down loading times.
I managed to score 2 Larges over the past couple years this way for personal and my FC. It's not impossible.
Obviously you need to get online asap patch goes live. -
07-07-2021, 03:04 AMArcalithe
Yeah, I'm trying to get a small somewhere "undesirable" (I personally LOVE the Goblet, just not as much as I like Ishgard/Mists), so that I can relocate to either Ishgard or somewhere in the Mists. I just want a personal small, I have no ambitions or creative capacity for a Med or larger.
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07-07-2021, 04:04 AMIlly_Peridoty'all actin like we aren't seeing some of the highest subs in the game's history for this multi-billion dollar company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenky
yes, certainly it would be awful to their finances to add more wards for the ridiculously high subscriber count. we must perish the thought of them using the money the game earns to better fund one of the core aspects of it. -
07-07-2021, 05:04 AMAlmagnus1There's a few key problems with adding additional wards:Quote:
Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot
1) I'm not sure the housing UI is designed to scale indefinitely, so this is going to need dev time to fix
2) I'm not sure how many wards can fit on a server, and there's only finite space in the datacenter for servers
3) Servers are expensive, and there's a cost to benefit analysis with this as it may not make fiscal sense to add more servers. This is a point we will likely never get any data on, but is something we must be cognizant of. -
07-07-2021, 06:20 AMJojoyaJust having money does not instantly and automatically buy anything you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot
There are technical and logistical aspects that have to be overcome. They need to contract for more room for the new hardware in the locations that currently house the game servers (which are in multiple locations around the world so those contracts must be negotiated multiple times). They need to obtain that hardware (you can't just walk into a Fry's to buy it on a whim). They need to get that hardware safely to the data center locations. They need qualified technicians with time available to get it installed. Then the programming needs to be installed and tested.
If they can't work out a contract with any one of the data center locations for whatever reason, that puts everything on hold. If the companies that make the needed server hardware have delays in production, that puts everything on hold. If some of the hardware ends up damaged in transit, that puts everything on hold. If the technicians needed to do the installation and programming can't get to one or more of the data center locations because of things like COVID travel restrictions, that puts everything on hold.
Only a spoiled little rich kid who was pampered by their rich parents thinks that money is an all-powerful solution to everything. -
07-07-2021, 08:21 AMKenkyThe money they earn DOES fund the core aspects. But there's something you need to realize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot
Housing is not a Core Aspect to Square Enix.
The Core Aspects are the dungeons, story, raids (Both normal and alliance. Even more-so if it's a sponsored raid-set, a la Nier) world-building and such. Housing and the infamous Manderville questline (Which is a fan favorite.) Are all side-line content that they will get to, once they can relieve resources from other areas. Given how long it took them to make the Firmament and talk about 'potentially' upgrading wards and districts, you can imagine that is quite rare.
Even with all of that done, most of the money they 'earn' go to upgrading software, hardware, paying workers and the VAs, which I imagine are quite steep amounts of money taken out of their profits. While I imagine SE isn't working on a razor-thin wire, they cannot simply just hire more people to give every faucet the same resources as the MSQ. that would be suicide for the company.
There's a lot of logistical hoops they have to jump through and that costs an ever-increasing amount of capital to do, as people get more and more greedy. COVID and the current shortage (and subsequent gouging of computer parts) are definitely not helping keeping prices lower. -
07-07-2021, 11:27 AMItMeYou're totally right, but man it's easy to forget this when every patch comes with a slew of new housing items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenky
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07-07-2021, 03:46 PMIlly_Peridotboy do I wish but naw I grew up toeing the poverty line, thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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07-08-2021, 04:06 AMJojoyaSorry to hear that's how you grew up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot
Looks like you're in a better place financially now. I hope things continue to improve for you and those you care about in the coming years. -
07-08-2021, 06:12 AMDivinemightsDo you realize why Apple never want to move their factory back to US even they earned much more profit than little Square Enix?Quote:
Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot
It it is because of the high rent and labor cost in US.
Different than Apple, SE need to settle their servers in NA and that also limited their ability to put up more server.
Unless, you have a rich father can offers free office building to SE for free? Do you? -
07-09-2021, 11:08 AMartlessknaveQuote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
colocation makes this complex at best. check out Custodian Data Centers on youtube, pretty good idea of datacenters in general, though designs of the DC's obviously vary.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN2...5E_wke2cKcNSjg -
07-09-2021, 11:13 AMartlessknaveQuote:
Originally Posted by Nepentha
they are limited by the core design, just like the inventory system cripples the glamour system. they are removing belt just so they can expand rings and mainhand. the inventory system is very poorly designed and scales badly. the housing system isn't much better. all those plots are not free storage, they need to BE somewhere. pure instanced housing would be better, but they either cant, or wont, implement that. ive seen it stated that they dont intended every one to have a house, and the obvious neighborhood design supports that. it's like they took all the downsides of Archeage housing and all the downsides of instanced housing, slapped that together, and called it "housing" -
07-14-2021, 01:44 PMEathelyn
[QUOTE=Kenky;5600088]The money they earn DOES fund the core aspects. But there's something you need to realize.
Housing is not a Core Aspect to Square Enix.
You say that but Housing is a key feature in their promotional material even on the free trial page... If you advertise something in your game, everyone should have access to it. And like it was already mentionned, stop giving us so much housing items (specially exterior items...) as quest rewards when the majority of your player base can't even use them (swimming pool, pumpkin carriage, etc) -
07-15-2021, 04:24 AMThemarvin
It need to be a limited source for one reason.. else the wards will and would be even more empty of players than what they are now, so no... not insane amount of more wards, maybe some as it is, if anything restrictions to 1 person FCs and such could be a good start dealing with some of this stuff.
Requirement of 6 people in an FC as a minimum, alts not counting would be a good start. -
07-15-2021, 05:27 AMNanaWilohCan I shorten this for you? Give us more wards or give us Housing Hell!!! oh Wait...we are already in Housing Hell my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepentha
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07-15-2021, 04:11 PMKenkyYou mean the free trial page that hasn't been updated for YEARS? (As far as I'm aware, at least) I mean, you can look up the "meme" advertisement that people love to joke about, with going up to Heavensward. Not a single mention of player housing in that ad whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eathelyn
And yes, they bring out housing items. Because otherwise people who own the houses would get unsatisfied. They've put themselves into a rather uncomfortable corner and they don't really know how to get out without scarring either party or themselves.
We need to keep in mind that most of FFXIVs players do not really care for Housing or what it offers. They're here for the story, dungeons, etc. As such, Square Enix is well within their grounds to prioritize content that affects the majority (probably about 80 - 85% of the playerbase. Ballpark estimate, mind!) rather than giving resources that are already scarce to content that doesn't affect a whole lot of people.
That doesn't mean they WON'T. They are. Firmament and the Lotto / Ward-split being proof they are still working on it. But at a "When we can do it" sort of speed, which is vastly lower than people demand. -
07-16-2021, 05:06 PMEathelynIt may not be the promo they use now but the site is still the one being use to register for the free trial so my argument is still valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenky
And I wasn't talking about the new housing items they put in game each patch. I have no problem with the crafted one, even with the treasure maps one. I was mainly referring to the special events items that they give us and the way they keep shoving outdoor items as rewards when those quest can be pick up by the majority of player at lvl 15 (except the summer event) and you better pick it up if you don't want to pay for it on the mogstation later even if the vast majority of players don't have access to a front yard (and let's be honest, even if you are in an FC most of the times, only a few have decorating rights) and probably never will in the future either so it just ends up clogging up inventory space.
At least, give items as quest rewards that everybody can use