Proofs of Mettle cost 8 Million Mettle. Why do we need a 20 Million minimum?

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05-29-2021, 02:34 AM
Deceptus

Proofs of Mettle cost 8 Million Mettle. Why do we need a 20 Million minimum?

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If you're going to set a minimum, make it 10 Million. Otherwise, let me buy them when I feel like it.
05-29-2021, 02:40 AM
Y2K21

Time gating. Its the same reason why for after level 2 in a specific power increase -- it costs more proofs of mettle.
05-29-2021, 02:55 AM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Time gating. Its the same reason why for after level 2 in a specific power increase -- it costs more proofs of mettle.

For sure. However, 20 million mettle actually isn't that much. You can get it quite quickly, whether you are doing Dalraida, or FATEs.

I think the biggest issue, is there isn't actually much of a reason to farm mettle in the first place, to be frank.
05-29-2021, 02:58 AM
Ultimatecalibur

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Title.

If you're going to set a minimum, make it 10 Million. Otherwise, let me buy them when I feel like it.

They don't cost 8 Million. It is 3 for 20 Million (so ~6.66 Million each). They do this so that you are more likely to spread out your Suns rather than just focusing on damage.

If they did it your way players would just max out the damage buff first without ever upgrading hp or healing.
05-29-2021, 03:03 AM
hobostew

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

For sure. However, 20 million mettle actually isn't that much. You can get it quite quickly, whether you are doing Dalraida, or FATEs.

I think the biggest issue, is there isn't actually much of a reason to farm mettle in the first place, to be frank.

I was starting to wonder if anyone else came to the same conclusion. Once I finished getting my weapon items from the skimishes/CEs I really found no reason to interact with anything other than the Dalriada and even then other methods are probably way more efficient than waiting around for that to happen. My best case scenario would be adding timeworn artifacts as drops from skirms/CEs at a lowish drop rate so you have a reason to actually interact with that content for the foreseeable future but ultimately I don't know how they will fix that if they deem it needs fixing at all.
05-29-2021, 03:09 AM
Ultimatecalibur

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Originally Posted by hobostew

I was starting to wonder if anyone else came to the same conclusion. Once I finished getting my weapon items from the skimishes/CEs I really found no reason to interact with anything other than the Dalriada and even then other methods are probably way more efficient than waiting around for that to happen. My best case scenario would be adding timeworn artifacts as drops from skirms/CEs at a lowish drop rate so you have a reason to actually interact with that content for the foreseeable future but ultimately I don't know how they will fix that if they deem it needs fixing at all.

I see the mettle gain more as a side effect of farming other stuff. 15 runs of DR at 25 ~9 mil with 5 runs of Dalraida being 16.5 million. Anyone who didn't already get all of a lower step after finishing their first Resistance Weapon can actually gain a fair amount working on their other Resistance Weapons.
05-29-2021, 03:16 AM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

They don't cost 8 Million. It is 3 for 20 Million (so ~6.66 Million each). They do this so that you are more likely to spread out your Suns rather than just focusing on damage.

If they did it your way players would just max out the damage buff first without ever upgrading hp or healing.

I've only gotten damage honors. I see no reason for the other ones first, even with the cost.

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Originally Posted by hobostew

I was starting to wonder if anyone else came to the same conclusion. Once I finished getting my weapon items from the skimishes/CEs I really found no reason to interact with anything other than the Dalriada and even then other methods are probably way more efficient than waiting around for that to happen. My best case scenario would be adding timeworn artifacts as drops from skirms/CEs at a lowish drop rate so you have a reason to actually interact with that content for the foreseeable future but ultimately I don't know how they will fix that if they deem it needs fixing at all.

FATEs frequently drop Zadnor* lockboxes, and I presume they think people will be farming for their low drop rate field notes or trying to do duels. Honors just make it easier to farm said content. I think they have overestimated the want for these items, but people will still farm it regardless with 6 months out until EW.
05-29-2021, 03:33 AM
Vahlnir

Eh, I think it's fine as is. Grinding honors is super easy.
05-29-2021, 05:09 AM
Espritduo

So how much of a buff are these things anyways? I was hoping it would actually be something insane like Yoshi-P said, but it sounds like they are easy enough to get that it probably isn't that great....
05-29-2021, 05:12 AM
hobostew

The current speculation is that its 3% per stack for a total of 30% at the max stacks of 10. Might ramp up as it gets closer to 10 but we won't know until someone gets there.
05-29-2021, 05:13 AM
Infindox

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Originally Posted by hobostew

I was starting to wonder if anyone else came to the same conclusion. Once I finished getting my weapon items from the skimishes/CEs I really found no reason to interact with anything other than the Dalriada and even then other methods are probably way more efficient than waiting around for that to happen.

I mean there is a reason to grind mettle using the skirmishes and CEs if Dalriada isn't up; especially in zone 3 each gold is about 200-300k and with how fast they go, you can easily grind out what you need on those alone, not to mention what CEs give. Good way to waste time in Zadnor while you wait for Dalriada to pop up.
05-29-2021, 05:16 AM
hobostew

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Originally Posted by Infindox

I mean there is a reason to grind mettle using the skirmishes and CEs if Dalriada isn't up; especially in zone 3 each gold is about 200-300k and with how fast they go, you can easily grind out what you need on those alone, not to mention what CEs give. Good way to waste time in Zadnor while you wait for Dalriada to pop up.

Alternatively I could just watch Netflix while I wait for the CE pop sound :D

Also, what reason? You can't take the damage out of this specific content and I can already clear DR and Dalriada without it soooo it's just grinding for the sake of grinding as far as I'm concerned.
05-29-2021, 05:27 AM
Ultimatecalibur

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

So how much of a buff are these things anyways? I was hoping it would actually be something insane like Yoshi-P said, but it sounds like they are easy enough to get that it probably isn't that great....

5% for each Sun you have. For context 10 of each (+50%) is about the difference between i430 and i500. This is also then multiplied by Essences.

A 10/10/10 healer using a Deep Essence of the Templar has 231% the hp and deals 258% the damage of a basic i430.
05-29-2021, 11:55 PM
Hinalover

Fortitude gives about 4.5% HP per stack based on my personal calculations. Next time I get Fortitude I'll look more at the Vitality stat to be sure it is buffing that instead of straight HP.
05-30-2021, 12:55 AM
DoH

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Originally Posted by Infindox

I mean there is a reason to grind mettle using the skirmishes and CEs if Dalriada isn't up; especially in zone 3 each gold is about 200-300k and with how fast they go, you can easily grind out what you need on those alone, not to mention what CEs give. Good way to waste time in Zadnor while you wait for Dalriada to pop up.

Depends on if you’re going for 10/10/10 for valor/fortitude/succor. It costs 200 million mettle to get each of them to level 10, so that’s 600 million to max out all three. That’s going to amount to many, many hours in Zadnor. (Of course, I’ve already seen people with at least one of their stats at 10 stacks as well as people with the Gunhildr’s Blade title, and it hasn’t even been a week yet, so I guess it’s not *that* bad, but still...)
05-30-2021, 01:04 AM
Hanayumi

These work in drs yeah? If so guess that a way to get your clear if you haven't already, should make it a tad easier
05-30-2021, 01:17 AM
Hinalover

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

These work in drs yeah? If so guess that a way to get your clear if you haven't already, should make it a tad easier

It works in DR normal so I don't see why it would not work in savage.
05-30-2021, 01:28 AM
Duskane

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

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If you're going to set a minimum, make it 10 Million. Otherwise, let me buy them when I feel like it.

it take same amount of time anyway even if you could buy one mettle at a time
05-30-2021, 05:06 AM
Deceptus

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Originally Posted by Duskane

it take same amount of time anyway even if you could buy one mettle at a time

I have 2 points in Damage since I finished the Bozja Story. Every point after that is faster kill times. It shortens the time until the next point linearly.

If it takes 7 hours to get to 20 million mettle, if I was allowed to buy a point when it was available instead of having to buy 3 at a time I could shorten that time considerably. I wouldn't have to wait.

The first point might take 2.5 hours. The next point might take 2.25 hours, then 2 hours. etc etc.
05-30-2021, 05:09 AM
DrWho2010

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Originally Posted by DoH

Depends on if you’re going for 10/10/10 for valor/fortitude/succor. It costs 200 million mettle to get each of them to level 10, so that’s 600 million to max out all three. That’s going to amount to many, many hours in Zadnor. (Of course, I’ve already seen people with at least one of their stats at 10 stacks as well as people with the Gunhildr’s Blade title, and it hasn’t even been a week yet, so I guess it’s not *that* bad, but still...)

those people are no-lifing just constantly running Dalriada probably hating their life. they'll burn out and quit and never come back.
05-30-2021, 05:13 AM
lezard21

You can get 40 Million mettle in under 1 hour easy. Just do a duel, or stand and wait close to someone who is doing a duel and knows what they are doing and you'll get a 2x mettle buff. Stick to upper Zadnor for 560k per fate, and 1-1.2 million per CE when they pop up. Mettle Bonus does not affect Dalriada, in fact Dalriada is super inneficient way of farming Mettle unless it's super echo. In the time it takes to clear a regular Dalriada you could have probably farmed more from FATEs and CEs outside.
05-30-2021, 05:15 AM
Infindox

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Originally Posted by DoH

Depends on if you’re going for 10/10/10 for valor/fortitude/succor. It costs 200 million mettle to get each of them to level 10, so that’s 600 million to max out all three. That’s going to amount to many, many hours in Zadnor. (Of course, I’ve already seen people with at least one of their stats at 10 stacks as well as people with the Gunhildr’s Blade title, and it hasn’t even been a week yet, so I guess it’s not *that* bad, but still...)

I'm going for it, but I do like a full timed session every night, and if I'm off that day I'll push for more. It still doesn't seem to bad to me becuase I can divide my time up in sessions. (I haven't seen anyone with anymore then 5 or 6 on one buff and those at 10 definitely no lifing the content atm, they will probably get burnt out.)
05-30-2021, 10:09 AM
Hinalover

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Originally Posted by Infindox

I'm going for it, but I do like a full timed session every night, and if I'm off that day I'll push for more. It still doesn't seem to bad to me becuase I can divide my time up in sessions. (I haven't seen anyone with anymore then 5 or 6 on one buff and those at 10 definitely no lifing the content atm, they will probably get burnt out.)

I've seen a few people with 6 or 7. One of the people who had 6 said they needed 4 proofs to get the next buff.
05-30-2021, 10:16 AM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by Hinalover

I've seen a few people with 6 or 7. One of the people who had 6 said they needed 4 proofs to get the next buff.

I'm about to get my 7th damage honor (4), and I've been slacking. AFK half the time since patch.
05-30-2021, 12:16 PM
Hinalover

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm about to get my 7th damage honor (4), and I've been slacking. AFK half the time since patch.

Yea I just now got my 3rd Fortitude and also had 3rd Honor. I'll probably aim for one set of proof a day. Don't want to burn myself out.

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Originally Posted by Hinalover

Fortitude gives about 4.5% HP per stack based on my personal calculations. Next time I get Fortitude I'll look more at the Vitality stat to be sure it is buffing that instead of straight HP.

Since I got my 3rd Fortitude, I can definitively say that each stack gives about 4.5% HP. Meaning at 10 stacks, Casters and Healers will have about 102.7k HP, Range DPS and Melee will have about 113.6k HP and Tanks will have about 163.5k HP. Which matches up with having about 500 item level.