Loppurets: Their purpose

So, a new tribe was introduced. The Loppurets. Basically, a whole tribe of Namingways! They look like Ivalice moogles, but without the wings and pompom. Guess the playable moogle dream is over... sigh.

Anyway, I digress. It was mentioned that they'd have an important role to play in the story. What do you suppose that is? My theory is that they are keepers and workers on the moon. That Labyrinth place their home.

Perhaps they're there to help with Zodiark stuff? Who knows... What do you guys think?

I'm also guessing they'll be caretakers left behind by Amaurotines to take care of that palace we saw on the moon zone.

Didn't the Moogles have a legend about how there was a terrible clash between the gods in the heavens, and they rapelled down a rope to the ground, in Eorzea? Maybe the Loporitts are the ancestors of the Moogles, those who remained in the heavens/on the moon? The Loppurets seem very similar to the Ivalician Moogle, Hurdy, from FFTA2.

https://i.imgur.com/oqInbgi.png

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

Didn't the Moogles have a legend about how there was a terrible clash between the gods in the heavens, and they rapelled down a rope to the ground, in Eorzea? Maybe the Loporitts are the ancestors of the Moogles, those who remained in the heavens/on the moon? The Loppurets seem very similar to the Ivalician Moogle, Hurdy, from FFTA2.

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That was just an ancestral memory of the transporter between the Churning Mists and Halo in Mourn in the Dravanian Forelands - a quest in Moghome back in HW outright confirmed the ancestral link between Moghome and the moogles on the surface (it also confirmed the origin of Good King Moggle Mog the XIIth as the name of Moghome's original chieftain who activated said transporter to allow the moogles to escape to the surface from, what is presumedly, Nidhogg's rampage against Thordan's murder of Rattoskr).

Either way, that legend's origin is already explained and is far more recent.

That would be an interesting addition! If I recall correctly, one of the moogle side quests mention that the Moogles of Gridania are descendants of moogles who left the churning mists, but who's to say that that was where the tale began? Would be quite the plot twist XD

Dang I wish they were playable T_T Ah well... I can dream haha

They look exactly like the Hummingways from Final fantasy IV DS?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...r_ffiv_ios.PNG

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Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin

They look exactly like the Hummingways from Final fantasy IV DS?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...r_ffiv_ios.PNG

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Does make me wonder to be honest. When ffxii was being made, did they look to the hummingways as inspiration for the ivalice moogles?

It's Loporrits. I wonder which type beast tribe they will be.

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Originally Posted by ApprenticeSmithy

Does make me wonder to be honest. When ffxii was being made, did they look to the hummingways as inspiration for the ivalice moogles?

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Ivalice Moogles originally came from Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, XII Moogles are mostly an evolution from there.
When FFIV DS was made Hummingways were redesigned to look more like rabbits (This game came after TA and XII) so maybe it's the other way around and Ivalice Moogles influenced their redesign.
However, like many things in Endwalker I do believe they're just referencing things from FFIV directly and have no link to current moogles, but hey, who knows?

Plot twist: they're the common ancestor of Lalafell and Viera.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Plot twist: they're the common ancestor of Lalafell and Viera.

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Did they use ALL the growth formulas on them to get Viera to be so tall?

Probably; it worked Elezaen, didn't it?

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Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin

Ivalice Moogles originally came from Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, XII Moogles are mostly an evolution from there.
When FFIV DS was made Hummingways were redesigned to look more like rabbits (This game came after TA and XII) so maybe it's the other way around and Ivalice Moogles influenced their redesign.
However, like many things in Endwalker I do believe they're just referencing things from FFIV directly and have no link to current moogles, but hey, who knows?

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Actually, Hummingways were always rabbit-like, even in their sprites. So it may be a case of one thing influencing another and then said thing reinfluences its origin. Hummingways were the inspiration for Ivalician moogles, but during the redesign the mooglrs influenced the Hummingways.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...459e8aa07e.png

So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.

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Originally Posted by Archchancellor

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So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.

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Minions are not 100% canon. Sometimes you have to decouple lore from merchandising strategies.

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Originally Posted by Archchancellor

So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.

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Likely there as an inside joke, like how the text for the Fafnir minion mentions the makers questioning why it was holding such a rare blade, only for the creator to mutter something about drop rates. Which is a clear reference to farming Fafnir in FFXI for the rare weapons he drops.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Actually, Hummingways were always rabbit-like, even in their sprites. So it may be a case of one thing influencing another and then said thing reinfluences its origin. Hummingways were the inspiration for Ivalician moogles, but during the redesign the mooglrs influenced the Hummingways.

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Also, "rabbit on/in the moon" is a very common Japanese thing in fiction and media, and the Hummingways (as well as their prodigal representative Namingway) being rabbits made perfect sense as a reference to that.

I have no interest in Ivalice stuff, so I don't know if Ivalician Moogles have the same shared inspiration.

They definitely resemble Ivalice moogles but I think that's just a coincidence due to both being tiny humanoid rabbits.
With Hummingways on the other hand they're basically 1:1 to the Hummingway concept art and they're on the moon just like Hummingways.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Minions are not 100% canon. Sometimes you have to decouple lore from merchandising strategies.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Likely there as an inside joke, like how the text for the Fafnir minion mentions the makers questioning why it was holding such a rare blade, only for the creator to mutter something about drop rates. Which is a clear reference to farming Fafnir in FFXI for the rare weapons he drops.

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Yes you make good points. But I think I will have my head cannon be some time ago some Eorzeaon doll maker saying "That rabbit came from the moon!"

I assume they were created by the same Amaurotines who fashioned the structures on the moon to possibly to serve as helpers in the absence of fellow Ancients.

The thing I'm more curious about is that prior lore suggested the moon was created specifically when Zodiark was imprisoned, which would mean that either:

1. The buildings and the Loppurets were made just before the Sundering happened and that the moon was fashioned before Zodiark got shoved into it, which would suggest there's some deeper conspiracy surrounding the Sundering.

2. The moon had always existed and some ambitious Amaurotines decided to establish a colony up there for whatever reason.

3. The buildings were actually made post-sundering by the unsundered Ascians for some unknown purpose.

Their purpose? They look like food to me...

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I assume they were created by the same Amaurotines who fashioned the structures on the moon to possibly to serve as helpers in the absence of fellow Ancients.

The thing I'm more curious about is that prior lore suggested the moon was created specifically when Zodiark was imprisoned, which would mean that either:

1. The buildings and the Loppurets were made just before the Sundering happened and that the moon was fashioned before Zodiark got shoved into it, which would suggest there's some deeper conspiracy surrounding the Sundering.

2. The moon had always existed and some ambitious Amaurotines decided to establish a colony up there for whatever reason.

3. The buildings were actually made post-sundering by the unsundered Ascians for some unknown purpose.

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4. Part of the planet was sent into Orbit, along with where Zodiark, and so Ancient architecture isn't out of place. Lopporits were part of that new seeded life that got sent there by mistake.

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Originally Posted by Alenore

4. Part of the planet was sent into Orbit, along with where Zodiark, and so Ancient architecture isn't out of place. Lopporits were part of that new seeded life that got sent there by mistake.

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Part of the Source being up there would make sense in a way. We have a lot of areas of the planet like the chasm under Ishgard that can't sustain life, almost like something that is supposed to be there is not there. Since we saw the WoL kill one of the Terminus there at the end of the trailer, I suspect it may be the "cancerous" parts of the planet that had the biggest corruptions from the Sound. Sound can't travel in space after all, it'd be the perfect way to shut it down. Add into it the cleaving of the world into 14 copies, and it also severely limits the power of the corruption still remaining, allowing for easy eradication.

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Originally Posted by Alenore

4. Part of the planet was sent into Orbit, along with where Zodiark, and so Ancient architecture isn't out of place. Lopporits were part of that new seeded life that got sent there by mistake.

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I could see it being similar to the Thea theory. Thea crashed into the earth, and then formed the Earth we know and the moon with it. Perhaps somehow the source itself split apart into two.

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Originally Posted by Archchancellor

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...459e8aa07e.png

So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.

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The text in french localization seems more detailed. ( i dunno how to add a screenshot ><)

here the translation, it may be confusing, i'm not confident in my english XD


"According to some, he is a survivor of the people of the moon. What is certain is that he cannot give nicknames to everyone he meets on his way. He never goes out without his book in he records all these new names."

This one may be canon, i guess?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Part of the Source being up there would make sense in a way. We have a lot of areas of the planet like the chasm under Ishgard that can't sustain life, almost like something that is supposed to be there is not there. Since we saw the WoL kill one of the Terminus there at the end of the trailer, I suspect it may be the "cancerous" parts of the planet that had the biggest corruptions from the Sound. Sound can't travel in space after all, it'd be the perfect way to shut it down. Add into it the cleaving of the world into 14 copies, and it also severely limits the power of the corruption still remaining, allowing for easy eradication.

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If that was the case, though, then you'd imagine that three un-sundered ascians would've been enough to destroy it a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

If that was the case, though, then you'd imagine that three un-sundered ascians would've been enough to destroy it a long time ago.

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Assuming they themselves were not corrupted, or even aware it was there.

I would think the buildings on the moon would be where Elidibus spends most of his time when he's on the Source. And the Loppurets are his servants that he created to keep him company. They look the way they do because Elidibus was still young. At least I think this. It would explain how they got there in the first place. Of course, Option B was that the Allagans introduced them.

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Originally Posted by Erendis

It's Loporrits. I wonder which type beast tribe they will be.

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I'm finding it particularly amusing that looking at the discussion of Loporrits across the Internet, very few of them have spelled it correctly.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I assume they were created by the same Amaurotines who fashioned the structures on the moon to possibly to serve as helpers in the absence of fellow Ancients.

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This was my interpretation as well.

Though I have a crazy theory that the Lops are Amaurotines that somehow managed to survive and since degenerated and/or evolved in to space bunnies.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

This was my interpretation as well.

Though I have a crazy theory that the Lops are Amaurotines that somehow managed to survive and since degenerated and/or evolved in to space bunnies.

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Someone please replace Emet-Selch model by a Lopporit on the after-Hades cutscenes.

Maybe they could surprise us last second and have them playable? Hrothgar was also a last second surprise if I recall.

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Originally Posted by Archchancellor

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...459e8aa07e.png

So in lore some people in Eorzea must have some idea of there existence, for this t have been made.

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I am just going to say I called it.

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Originally Posted by Archchancellor

I am just going to say I called it.

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For what it's worth, the description of the minion itself in the minion guide:

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While it is whispered that this cheerful vagrant is the sole surviving member of a tribe hailing from none other than the moon, most see Namingway for who he is─a queer fellow with a penchant for giving all he meets absurd nicknames then jotting them down in his mysterious journal.

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Not completely wrong, but it is worth saying that the Namingway minion (at least, last anyone checked; I'm not online right now so I can't see if they updated it) implies he was the actual guy, rather than a wind-up minion. But other than that, the description actually mostly lines up if you read that we're looking at a few-degrees-removed, lost-through-retelling version of what happened.