New Target Ring Feedback

Personally, I wouldn't mind a way to revert to the old, plainer one. The side arrows on the new one just add visual clutter in my opinion, and can even be misleading considering that they, and the main one in front, still show up on enemies where facing doesn't matter. Found myself spamming True North on the Red Girl boss in the third NieR raid when she gets big simply because I instinctively assumed "arrow means it's facing me, which means I need to use True North to hit positionals".

Yes, but some enemies with no positional still have mechanics that happen in the direction they are facing, and smaller enemies can be difficult to see.


I find these additions quite helpful.

I found it kind of distracting and annoying when I was talking to NPCs during the MSQ, but I'll eventually get used to it.

I wish the arrows on the flanks scaled down smaller than they do, so that even on human-sized NPCs they fit within the concentric circles that make up the target ring. That's what made it feel distracting for me because it just looks a bit messy... Anyway, that's just my opinion. I still think they're a good addition.

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Originally Posted by gilmorej

I found it kind of distracting and annoying when I was talking to NPCs during the MSQ, but I'll eventually get used to it.

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A simple solution would be to give players options on how it appears. The ability to turn it off on friendly targets or have it entirely off would be nice. I enjoy the new target ring but I would like if people had options to choose where it appears.

For npcs I think it's a bit weird. Also for enemies that don't use positional some way to convey that might be nice. In general I think it's helpful information to convey, but I certainly wouldn't mind a few tweaks and or options.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yes, but some enemies with no positional still have mechanics that happen in the direction they are facing, and smaller enemies can be difficult to see.

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I'm struggling to think of any smaller enemies with no positionals outside of like Eureka. Could you provide examples? Also even if they have directional facing mechanics, there are generally obvious visual tells anyway, like orbs or beams, no? I can't think of any oblique ones.

It was a bit strange at first since in the new 24-man raid I thought the arrow was an incoming attack telegraph... but now I appreciate them existing, especially for Delubrum Reginae where I definitely know I don't want to be standing in front of the boss because conal tank busters.

Always someone who complain about these QoL. Can't make everyone happy I suppose.

I liked the addition.

I never actually needed it, but it's more useful than not.
At first I thought the arrow placement was there to help with positionals, but in the end it was just to make it easier to tell where the monster is facing in larger/busier fights.

It made me realise how it would be nice if positional actions had some kind of highlight for when you're in position for the additional effect, because sometimes I'm suspicious of the game not detecting my new position quick enough. Xenoblade DE did this with its positionals having a " ! " when you're in the right position against the monster and that being an offline game I never thought it needed that. But FFXIV with its server tick issues could use something like that.

I feel like this is one of those things that only seems weird and distracting because it's new and different, and in a few weeks we'll all be used to it and no one will even notice any more.

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Originally Posted by gilmorej

I wish the arrows on the flanks scaled down smaller than they do, so that even on human-sized NPCs they fit within the concentric circles that make up the target ring. That's what made it feel distracting for me because it just looks a bit messy... Anyway, that's just my opinion. I still think they're a good addition.

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So far, SO FAR... that is my only wish they would do with the new ring, tighten up them side arrows on smaller things. They just remain big and stick out the targeting ring and just overall adds clutter.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

I feel like this is one of those things that only seems weird and distracting because it's new and different, and in a few weeks we'll all be used to it and no one will even notice any more.

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Well, it isn't distracting like the old hotbar disco balls, but I wish it looked a little cleaner.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

Well, it isn't distracting like the old hotbar disco balls, but I wish it looked a little cleaner.

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Disco balls? What? Someone please explain what they mean. I'm lost.

Functionally, I like them. I think they're really poorly integrated visually though. Hopefully it's just a stopgap and we're getting more improved hit rings next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Disco balls? What? Someone please explain what they mean. I'm lost.

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Rather than the action icon having the like, timer built into the icon with the refresh pie chart? Thing.

It used to be a tiny orb in the upper right of the icon

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Rather than the action icon having the like, timer built into the icon with the refresh pie chart? Thing.

It used to be a tiny orb in the upper right of the icon

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Oh wow that must have been a long time ago because I don't remember this at all. Or my memory is failing me. Thanks for explaining :)

I like the icons :c They are cute.

I'd like it to remain mandatory. In theory, at least, it lessens the chance of players blaming the tank if they happen to be hit by a cleave when standing somewhere that they should not be.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Rather than the action icon having the like, timer built into the icon with the refresh pie chart? Thing.

It used to be a tiny orb in the upper right of the icon

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Wow I remember now but I had wiped that from my memory.

To the subject of the thread, I'm kind of looking forward to getting Alphascape 3.0 in roulette now cause it's been coming up a LOT. This should help with his sneaky butt spinning around.

in my view the ring needs to be widened a little the arrows feel a little slapped on on some of the target rings making it look cluttered but if the arrows were a bit more set in and the outer ring fits it a bit better it could make it more visually smooth, a toggle or varying styles to select from might be a good middle ground for something visually appealing to the client.
but i think we will grow to like it remember when people begged for the AOE indicators to turn back into the plain red circles on the floor, compared to the flashing orange ones we have now

Can’t say I’ve even noticed them yet.

In my opinion, they don't really help at all, and were largely unnecessary, but if you find them useful, more power to you.

I thought omni-directional targets didn't have the point on the "front" of their hitbox like everything else. Since omni-directional targets are typically so big you can tell how they're facing by looking at them.

Nier new raid, that first boss ring is so big... probably too big.

We also need some center crosshair target not just the ring. Sometime the ring is covered by uneven ground or players. I wish there is a crosshair similar to lock on target but I don't want to lock on target due it messes my K&M movement.

I actually think they should section of the target ring if they are going to keep positionals in this game. Either put a big X in the center that extends to the outer edges or make the Flank positions different colors from the Front and Back. That way you can see the line where you need to stand for a positional and not have to move as much. On really big targets sometimes it's hard to imagine where that X is.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I actually think they should section of the target ring if they are going to keep positionals in this game. Either put a big X in the center that extends to the outer edges or make the Flank positions different colors from the Front and Back. That way you can see the line where you need to stand for a positional and not have to move as much. On really big targets sometimes it's hard to imagine where that X is.

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The target ring already shows you flank and rear. Flank ends where the circle ends, and the rear is the open part.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The target ring already shows you flank and rear. Flank ends where the circle ends, and the rear is the open part.

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You know I've been playing since the PS4 release and I have never noticed that the back was open...

I like it so far but, as others have said, maybe change the sizing on the flank arrows so that it basically just looks more visually pleasing. When out of combat, it does feel a bit strange seeing it on NPCs but I'm guessing that's more just due to it being new than being bad. Once I get used to it like the old target indicator I probably won't even notice it.

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Originally Posted by gilmorej

I found it kind of distracting and annoying when I was talking to NPCs during the MSQ, but I'll eventually get used to it.

I wish the arrows on the flanks scaled down smaller than they do, so that even on human-sized NPCs they fit within the concentric circles that make up the target ring. That's what made it feel distracting for me because it just looks a bit messy... Anyway, that's just my opinion. I still think they're a good addition.

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I wish I had never read this, because now I cannot unsee it...

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

I wish I had never read this, because now I cannot unsee it...

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Yeah, they look fine here:
https://i.imgur.com/JCAiFA1.png

They look kind of sloppy and distracting here, though:
https://i.imgur.com/1pxplXt.png

Why don't they properly scale all the way down so they always look nice like in the 1st picture? They'd still be perfectly readable for their intended purpose even if they were scaled down that far. Because they're designed well enough that even if they got smaller they are still clearly arrows, with a back and a front, that point in a certain direction.

Anyway, like I said in my other post, even if they don't change I'll eventually get used to them. They have merit and were a nice addition to the game, because even I have found myself getting lost on which direction a monster is facing sometimes (big shoutout to the hot/cold boss in dulubrum)

I like it aside from the lack of scaling of the side rings on smaller circles. I still think the inner circle is kind of useless though.

I personally like the new target rings with the arrows. With some enemies it's not immediately apparent which way they are facing, which is problematic when they have attacks you have to be to a given side or behind to avoid.

I’m in opinion of favoring the new target ring. It helps me visualize a lot non-telegraphed AoEs so that I only need to scoot tiny 1y within enemy’s hitboxes.

The new taregt ring is basically useless. I especially noticed this at the second last boss in Delubrum, the one with the fire and ice. There is a mechanic where the boss faces a random direction and draws a weapon and you have to run either in front or behind the boss. The new target ring doesn't help at all here. Maybe it's easier for melee jobs, but as a ranged I can't see it properly.

The only usefull target ring is the one with the gap in the back. It's the only one where you can make out the direction from a distance.

I like the new targeting ring. It's the old one with a little extra QoL, which can be useful from time to time. The arrow indicating the front of the boss has been useful for avoiding frontal cleaves in Bozja for example.

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Originally Posted by Tint

The only usefull target ring is the one with the gap in the back. It's the only one where you can make out the direction from a distance.

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This still exists. Bosses without a gap in the back of their target ring simply means melee positionals will work from all directions and have been a thing for a long while. The new target ring has arrows to help indicate front and sides, while the old ring had nothing.

For bosses like the Fire/Ice boss, you should stand fairly near the boss, giving you time to adjust. This is true for many bosses that have large cones or half-room swipes.

The arrows on the ring are awesome, it never really hit me until they put in. But this actually makes knockback mechanics like E12S Oracle of Darkness easier for people in a clutch where Gaia knocks you from her for several mechanics in the fight. The arrows are a visual divide of the boss in-half and as long as you are just below the arrows you will get thrown back instead of the side or forward.

So that helps progression, we've always known how this works just having another visual queue allows you not to overstep if you are coming in for a knockback.

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Originally Posted by Tint

The new taregt ring is basically useless. I especially noticed this at the second last boss in Delubrum, the one with the fire and ice. There is a mechanic where the boss faces a random direction and draws a weapon and you have to run either in front or behind the boss. The new target ring doesn't help at all here. Maybe it's easier for melee jobs, but as a ranged I can't see it properly.

The only usefull target ring is the one with the gap in the back. It's the only one where you can make out the direction from a distance.

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The new target ring is almost identical to the old one, save for 3 arrows indicating the front and sides. If the arrows are pointing one way - that is the front of the boss. Do what youve been doing before.

I would like a simpler option
https://i.ibb.co/8927g4F/groundtarget.png