Bozjan 5.45 - My opinion

First of all, I want to say that what is going to follow is my impression and my thouthgs regarding new patch and the "new" Bozjan content.
I want to quote one of the best senteces I've ever heard in videogames: "Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fcking thing over and over and over again..."
This sounds like Bozjan, like Eureka, like every grinds.


I cannot understand why some ppl are "happy" grindin FATEs and CE like robots; personally i think I've done not more than 100 FATEs since I started play FFXIV, included the Bozjan's ones. I really find hard how can be "enjoyable" a content that must be repeated again again and again in order to get some stuffs which are barely usefull.
Emerald EX drop iLV 515. Crypto weapons are 520/530.
So, what's the point ppl have to do this "new" Bozjan? To kill theiselves. it's seems.

I tried when it was released in 5.3 (?) and at the start it sounded a good content -for the first few weeks. Then it turned in a dead piece of nothin'...and I prefered to do other things...like working.
I would much better prefered something with the old trials extremes instead of this "korean grind".

Yoshi, what are you doing?
I dont expect nothin more from SE, a company that seems is going to ruin every game other has started (Sagakuchi, dont blame Yoshi pls), but Yoshi why? Why?

You was able to restore a dead game many years ago and you did a wonderfull job. I know there are many who think the same thing :"Why everytime something that has the chance to be a good content has to be turned in a braindead, unusefull, fking s**t?"
I dont know how is going in the East , nor in the America (I think it's the same...) but here in EU ppl have to wake up at 7.00 to go to work. They come back at 19.00 at home and i think they are not happy to hear that the new patch has introduced nothin more than a grindin content not worth at all...

I'm really disapointed. For me I've to wait the 6.0, at this point, to see what new you and your team are capable to do...really disapointed and I'm not going to spend a single second inside Bozjan. I'll watch video on Youtube to know what happens here. I suggest to every ppl who dont like this system of grinds to the same thing. Let we die this dead battlefield and leave it to who can find enjoyble. (hope they are very few)

P.s. For who are ejoying this "grind system": i really envy you, who can enjoy with so less fun, or maybe, find fun in something so less enjoyable. Is this the future of MMO? No-sense grind?

I'm quite disappointed with many things SE did over the time (some jobs, tanking, housing, grinding, ...), and I may be wrong but could it be because Yoshida is currently working on FFXVI ?
I mean, FFXIV is "acquired", besides the game runs the same way for a long time now (same content pattern on each extension). But FFXVI has major issues to face for SE, so I was wondering if this could be linked. Maybe Yoshida is mainly on FFXVI and let FFXIV make its way in automatic pilot...

Anyway I wait for the 6.0 announcements with many expectations, but I guess it will be the same pattern as always, in which case I could leave.

As for Bozja, I suppose japanese servers love this kind of grinding content (I remember reading something like this, saying that they liked Eureka for example, am I wrong ?), but yeah, farming Fates wasn't really fun, 15 runs in Syrcus was boring and I give up for the 36 raids 60-70.

Every content isn't made for everyone, but nowadays there's not really much content that isn't just grind... Guess SE needs to keep the players busy as they continue paying their subscription !

We don't need another thread about this . Just post in one of the many other threads people have made

The showcase in a few days is the final chance for me. If not convinced I am quitting the game. I have done around 15 runs of the new 24man instance and I have gotten only a few fragments. No hair, no mount. 1 music scroll. That's around 20 hours of gameplay for fuck all, really. It takes ages to fully complete it. I was interested in the savage version, but it's 48 man. Good luck not having an incredibly frustrating experience clearing this. You can be as organised as you want, it's still savage difficulty, which means prog. Prog with 47 other people, which won't be the same people each time around. Nah, I've pretty much had it with this game.

Instead of making actual good content with good rewards, SE decided to make content in such a way where the grind is huge just to they can fill up some blank space from now until 6.0. That's all it is. Zero creativity. Just easy fix after easy fix and I'm not here for it anymore. If I get the impression that in 6.0 it's just going to be another copy paste of previous expansions, I'm not going to bother anymore. I've spent enough time on this game.

This content is designed for people who like grinding, and the savage version for people who love extra difficulty. If you don't like this king of content, it's because you aren't the target for it.

And yes, there is a target. Over the years I've seen tons of people complaining that this game isn't grindy enough, or that the content is done too fast, and demanded things they could spend a lot of time and effort doing. Don't ask me why, I'm not the target either. I'm fine with it because I recognize that SE is releasing content for different kinds of targets, so it's all good.

It definitely seems like Bozja is for players with a certain mentality. If there are players who do enjoy the content, let them. If it's not for you, then do what I do and stay the hell out of it. It is like you said, you would rather farm Emerald EX because you have found that to be a more worthwhile expenditure of your time, so do that. There is no reason to force yourself to do content you don't enjoy because it is new.

I really tried to like Bozja but, for the life of me I just can’t. I did enjoy Eureka to some extent. I got 3 weapons from there.

I hate to lose out on this relic and this will be the very first relic I’m passing on since I am a vet who played in 1.0 before it was reborn and I’m totally okay with that.

I still enjoy the game as there is lots of other things to do. I’m not upset at SE. This just wasn’t the content for me so I’m passing on it. No big deal.

Tomorrow is the major announcement so I’m hoping for geomancer new job. That will completely just have me on cloud nine until 6.0 drops lol. Don’t care if it’s healer or dps. Just want geomancer as a job. I can’t wait.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz_93

I cannot understand why some ppl are "happy" grindin FATEs and CE like robots; personally i think I've done not more than 100 FATEs since I started play FFXIV, included the Bozjan's ones. I really find hard how can be "enjoyable" a content that must be repeated again again and again in order to get some stuffs which are barely usefull.
Emerald EX drop iLV 515. Crypto weapons are 520/530.
So, what's the point ppl have to do this "new" Bozjan? To kill theiselves. it's seems.

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For Emerald EX, not everyone is capable in doing it. Heck, take it from someone who has 99 Emerald Totems doing it with random pugs. I've seen a person with NORMAL QUALITY i480 weapon, and needless to say that person kept on getting knocked out and the team couldn't win, so I had to clear it with others for hours on end.

And the i520 is weekly gated, but can be shortened for those who do Savage. Savage can be a mixed bag for those who are not as fortunate to get a static and/or have bad luck with pugs.

At the end of the day, it boils down to how people play the Bozja content and make use of the Lost Actions/Essences.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

This content is designed for people who like grinding, and the savage version for people who love extra difficulty. If you don't like this king of content, it's because you aren't the target for it.

And yes, there is a target. Over the years I've seen tons of people complaining that this game isn't grindy enough, or that the content is done too fast, and demanded things they could spend a lot of time and effort doing. Don't ask me why, I'm not the target either. I'm fine with it because I recognize that SE is releasing content for different kinds of targets, so it's all good.

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That just sounds like an excuse for lazy, recycled content. just because it's designed for people who like grinding doesn't mean they get a pass to implement it poorly and then make 0 changes to it

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Originally Posted by Gemina

It definitely seems like Bozja is for players with a certain mentality. If there are players who do enjoy the content, let them. If it's not for you, then do what I do and stay the hell out of it. It is like you said, you would rather farm Emerald EX because you have found that to be a more worthwhile expenditure of your time, so do that. There is no reason to force yourself to do content you don't enjoy because it is new.

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Problem is they tied the relic to it again. So rather than making content for those players and improving it in the ways that those players have suggested so it doesn't die out, they just try to force others who aren't remotely interested in that content into it to briefly make it active again. There's been a lot of feedback on how to make Bozja more viable from those specific types of players who have been engaging with it and SE has just completely ignored that.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

That just sounds like an excuse for lazy, recycled content. just because it's designed for people who like grinding doesn't mean they get a pass to implement it poorly and then make 0 changes to it

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What recycled content? What's implemented poorly? I for one found the Southern Front fun, much better and detailed than Eureka with all the engagements and NPCs. You keep unlocking new areas as you progress, which was fun for me, and you can reach Rank 10 in no time (I took a single day with my first character, two days with my second).

Now, if what you want is to grind memories of the dying for the relic, you should have accepted what grind content is. And make no mistake, the relics are about grind (though, again, I just took two days per character's relic). Just, instead of taking the easy way of making you grind regular content like normal Fates, they created a new map full of things to explore and skills to toy with. I doubt you can make grinding any more interesting than that. What would you prefer?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Problem is they tied the relic to it again. So rather than making content for those players and improving it in the ways that those players have suggested so it doesn't die out, they just try to force others who aren't remotely interested in that content into it to briefly make it active again. There's been a lot of feedback on how to make Bozja more viable from those specific types of players who have been engaging with it and SE has just completely ignored that.

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This would now be the third time SE has slapped the relic into content where they deliberately, and quite literally flip things upside down.
I don't fault their decision making here because they have to find ways to provide incentive to content they spend a lot of time developing. What I can't wrap my head around is why they punish players who run this content. It makes zero sense to me along with some of their other decisions surrounding this content.

I just think that each individual player has to evaluate the value of running content like Bozja. For me, a relic is not enough. The content has to be fun. I never put one foot in Bozja for relic purposes and gave it a fair chance to snare me on its own. Since I avoided Eureka anticipating my hatred for it, I wanted to know if I could do and enjoy this type of optional content with Bozja. After the novelty of it faded, all it was to me was an unnecessary waste of my time. I was getting nothing from it other than a ton of frustration. No relic is worth that to me.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

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The content is recycled because all they did was just throw some fates in an instance arbitrarily split into 3. The CE's are poorly implemented because instead of making them an area boss they throw an arbitrary RNG selection process onto them. The only thing I actually like about them is that they let you teleport to the location instead of having to run the entirety of the map. The pseudo-instance borders are ugly and do nothing but keep too many people from having fun at a time.

It's far too late for them to fix Bozja, but if they actually wanted to make the fate grinding interesting, they could adopt a Eureka-esque model where fates contribute to the zone's progress. Instead of the strange layout they have right now they could turn Bozja into something actually assembling a battlefield, with each skirmish lost meaning a certain piece of the map is lost, and a corresponding skirmish spawns to take back said part of the map. Critical engagements wouldn't be gated off but it would be possible to teleport to them and the engagements window would show how many players are currently within the area.

Each fate pushes the map's progress a little more, and spawning critical engagements that should be beaten, until the map's major event, let's make that Castrum Lacus Litore, is opened. Instead of forcing an arbitrary player limit on the area, it won't be gated off by anything, therefore everyone in the instance, excluding maybe people with rank 10 mettle for story reasons, should be able to gather at the start and wait for the assault to launch. From there it'll be up to all the players in the zone how they want to split up and handle everything, with the content appropriately scaled to the number of players in the area. Everything else from then on will be the same, with personal rewards, including memories, even the ones from future relic steps you're not currently on, dropping from the personal chests, though the number of memories you need for each step may need to be increased accordingly. Also they should give us more rewards for Castrum other than coins and memories, maybe they can give us lockboxes and beef up the rewards to include some really nice things like the new hairstyle and new emotes that could potentially sell for a lot.

But that's just my two cents, Bozja is fun at times if you ask me, but the map design is uninteresting, the skirmishes themselves feel unimpactful and unrelated to the resistance other than "Hoooo evil empire gotta fight them," and there's really no reason the zones should be separated. They should make Bozja feel more like an actual battlefield that you can run around and help out in and less like a reskinned Stormblood fate zone

¨Could they at least not had removed the Crystal Tower Raids form the equation, it is overplayed already by people lvling and wanting to skip anything that can get a little bit difficult to the masses ( with exception of WOD )

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

¨Could they at least not had removed the Crystal Tower Raids form the equation, it is overplayed already by people lvling and wanting to skip anything that can get a little bit difficult to the masses ( with exception of WOD )

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Yeah, this I can agree with. We really did not need to have this added into the mix when most people already run them too much already. If SE's concern was new players then it was a non issue to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

This would now be the third time SE has slapped the relic into content where they deliberately, and quite literally flip things upside down.
I don't fault their decision making here because they have to find ways to provide incentive to content they spend a lot of time developing. What I can't wrap my head around is why they punish players who run this content. It makes zero sense to me along with some of their other decisions surrounding this content.

I just think that each individual player has to evaluate the value of running content like Bozja. For me, a relic is not enough. The content has to be fun. I never put one foot in Bozja for relic purposes and gave it a fair chance to snare me on its own. Since I avoided Eureka anticipating my hatred for it, I wanted to know if I could do and enjoy this type of optional content with Bozja. After the novelty of it faded, all it was to me was an unnecessary waste of my time. I was getting nothing from it other than a ton of frustration. No relic is worth that to me.

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Same, unfortunately. I noped out of Eureka with Pagos. I dipped my toes into Bozja to see how I could consume it at my own pace in whatever bite-sized pieces I wanted and found that it was just another boring FATE grind to get to do anything interesting. The sad part for me is I'm a lore hound and I would probably adore the story in Bozja. But the price tag is too high. They obviously did not design this content for my mentality of player. I would regretfully but happily leave it to those who it was designed for if they just let me get my damned resistance weapon without it.

I have a similar mentality about frustration. I can beat my head against something over and over and over until I get it, so it's not the idea of challenging content. In the right mindset, I find that highly enjoyable and get that elation when finally clearing it. I can also find enjoyment in grinding while working toward a goal. But I didn't feel in my time in Bozja that sense of progression toward a goal. I felt cut off from the rest of the game, almost in another game, doing something that just wasn't fun, and just stopped feeling worth it. Once it's not fun anymore, I stop doing it.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

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So the equivalent of a Guild Wars 2 zone/map meta? I could dig it.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

This content is designed for people who like grinding, and the savage version for people who love extra difficulty. If you don't like this king of content, it's because you aren't the target for it.

And yes, there is a target. Over the years I've seen tons of people complaining that this game isn't grindy enough, or that the content is done too fast, and demanded things they could spend a lot of time and effort doing. Don't ask me why, I'm not the target either. I'm fine with it because I recognize that SE is releasing content for different kinds of targets, so it's all good.

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You can't make content that is for a niche part of the community and then slap something onto it that a rather big part of the community likes - the relic. It is basically mindboggling to me how Eureka probably was the most disliked content in the past expansion and they simply made another one. At this point I wish they would have gone back to ARR and HW kind of grind.

Also there is no excuse to implement stuff poorly, no matter who the target audience is. Quantity is not quality. And as much as I love the game, the quality has dropped in a lot of parts sadly. As someone else said, recycled content is fine as long as it works and as long as you improve it for the better.

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Originally Posted by Aellae

You can't make content that is for a niche part of the community and then slap something onto it that a rather big part of the community likes - the relic.

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The relic has always been aimed at the part of the community that likes grinding in order to obtain something and feel accomplished. It has never been intended to be for everyone, and neither it's enforced (I've never completed a single relic myself).

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So the equivalent of a Guild Wars 2 zone/map meta? I could dig it.

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Ohh! Then I have to agree, that would be a very good idea! I don't dislike Bozja, but it's true it could be way better if it was more dynamic like the GW2 maps. I'm a big fan of how GW2 built its world, I feel it's unrivaled when it comes to MMORPGs; it's a bit sad that no other game has tried the same!

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So the equivalent of a Guild Wars 2 zone/map meta? I could dig it.

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Literally what I was thinking tbh, GW2 has a lot of flaws but the maps are actually fun and even content from 1 or 2 expansions ago gets ran on the regular.

I'd personally rather not see a return of the train, I think the inability to have a train in eureka these days is why people call eureka "dead" when the intent of eureka wasn't to have a train in the first place, it just manifested because it was efficient. That the zone is still doable as originally intended doesn't seem to penetrate the fog of "I can't do this unless by literally the simplest possible method" which people assume must be true because other people also assumed it was true first, and then they reinforced each other's opinions.

The current fates sometimes feel like they take a very long time to complete but I think this is mainly because people don't use essences so they intentionally nerf their own damage. But they otherwise progress, or manifest, the zone's story by getting the NPCs involved, as well as introducing new ones we might see more of later. To say that they should all be boss fates is I think to say that we should see less of the plot-relevant NPCs. I wouldn't be into it, the fact the devs of this game actually care about the story the game tells is what makes it unique among MMOs. Story's pretty clearly a secondary or tertiary concern for any made by a western team.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

And yes, there is a target. Over the years I've seen tons of people complaining that this game isn't grindy enough, or that the content is done too fast, and demanded things they could spend a lot of time and effort doing.

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True and i do like the long time grind with an worthy reward, but not if "long time" means starting at X.1 or X.2 for lousy 5 ilvl more at patch X.5.999999999 for like 6 weeks before the next addon hits lol

Honestly, id like the content itself, but the weapon just feels pointless - before it even hits i have to do the ex primal 99+ times or can augment my crafted.


Really they should not listen to savage players and give the relic a way higher ilvl from the start. Make it so you need tokken from the ex trial, weekly raid tokken or tome for gettin the highest ilvl before the next patch hits, anything, just dont let it be a fancy glowstick for 95% the expansion... please....

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Really they should not listen to savage players and give the relic a way higher ilvl from the start. Make it so you need tokken from the ex trial, weekly raid tokken or tome for gettin the highest ilvl before the next patch hits, anything, just dont let it be a fancy glowstick for 95% the expansion... please....

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So I think what this is getting at is the standard methodology of item level being the marker of character progression after normal level caps out, which in the standard modern MMO set-up is always the first thing done, and at the greatest speed possible. I would also probably enjoy an item system where something's value is less easily determined by checking one individual attribute in favor of a larger variety of ways of determining an item's value. Though it's hard to say that it's obvious a more complex system would have the same player retention, player understanding, or more general player enjoyment.

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Originally Posted by TurtlesAWD

I'd personally rather not see a return of the train, I think the inability to have a train in eureka these days is why people call eureka "dead" when the intent of eureka wasn't to have a train in the first place, it just manifested because it was efficient. That the zone is still doable as originally intended doesn't seem to penetrate the fog of "I can't do this unless by literally the simplest possible method" which people assume must be true because other people also assumed it was true first, and then they reinforced each other's opinions.

The current fates sometimes feel like they take a very long time to complete but I think this is mainly because people don't use essences so they intentionally nerf their own damage. But they otherwise progress, or manifest, the zone's story by getting the NPCs involved, as well as introducing new ones we might see more of later. To say that they should all be boss fates is I think to say that we should see less of the plot-relevant NPCs. I wouldn't be into it, the fact the devs of this game actually care about the story the game tells is what makes it unique among MMOs. Story's pretty clearly a secondary or tertiary concern for any made by a western team.

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That wasn't the original intention, but it is how things evolved. Even after trying to get rid of the train in Pagos, they received enough backlash that they decided to put it back in. So...it just became the standard.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Literally what I was thinking tbh, GW2 has a lot of flaws but the maps are actually fun and even content from 1 or 2 expansions ago gets ran on the regular.

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Oh I know. The HoT metas live forever, especially Auric Basin, Tangled Depths, and Dragon's Stand.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

The relic has always been aimed at the part of the community that likes grinding in order to obtain something and feel accomplished. It has never been intended to be for everyone, and neither it's enforced (I've never completed a single relic myself).

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The grind isn't the niche content. It's things like CLL and DR. There's a market in the community for that sort of content. However, with previous relics, that part of the community could do the grind quickly and get their relics fast fast fast and that worked for them. There's another part of the community that tackles the grind at a slower pace and kind of incorporates updates into their normal daily processes. But something like CLL has a time limit, as we're seeing, when that niche group runs through it for everything it enjoys but abandons it because SE didn't make it worthwhile to keep running, and actually actively made it punish people in that niche group for doing so.

That group gave feedback to SE...which they just completely ignored. So they didn't do anything to make things better for the group that likes things like CLL by making it more rewarding for them.

And now they're telling the group that doesn't like CLL, who had the option to go do the former grind where they wanted at their own pace, that they have to clear this dead instance that the first group isn't keeping active because it punishes players for doing it.

So, nobody is happy. CLL is a huge bottleneck, it's not future proofed to stop this happening again, and they ignored feedback on how to make it worth doing.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Really they should not listen to savage players and give the relic a way higher ilvl from the start. Make it so you need tokken from the ex trial, weekly raid tokken or tome for gettin the highest ilvl before the next patch hits, anything, just dont let it be a fancy glowstick for 95% the expansion... please....

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That goes completely against the intention. The Savage and Extreme weapons are there for those who want the faster option. The relic is the casual alternative that takes longer. And it's not glamour to a large part of the player base, ie, the player base that will use it as their actual weapon. You'd be cutting it off from its intended audience with a move like that.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

That goes completely against the intention. The Savage and Extreme weapons are there for those who want the faster option. The relic is the casual alternative that takes longer. And it's not glamour to a large part of the player base, ie, the player base that will use it as their actual weapon. You'd be cutting it off from its intended audience with a move like that.

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I think it's more that you have three groups:

1. Those who want the top-tier thing and want it now, and are happy to throw themselves at challenging (savage or ultimate) content to get it. I.e., savage raiders of various stripes, etc.
2. Those who want a reasonably good thing, who don't feel up to savage/ultimate content, but are happy to grind hardcore short-term for a quick reward. The ones TaleraRistain refers to in the quoted text.
3. Those who want a potentially-outdated but visually shiny thing, who don't feel up to savage/ultimate content, and who don't feel the need to grind quickly and are happy if they get the thing several months later. These are the 'glamour players'.

(It's worth noting also that people in 1 may also want the visually shiny thing even if it's mechanically useless to them, or may want the relic because it's better than alternatives for an alt job they aren't gearing as seriously, so may fall into groups 2 or 3 in addition to being in 1. I admit to being one of those group 1 folks who is looking at the relic as a quickly-obtained viable weapon for alt jobs, thus also falling into group 2. And I like glamour, so I suppose for the jobs I don't play, I may also fall into group 3. Similarly, folks in group 2 might also be in 3 for alt jobs where they just want the glamour eventually because Shiny Weapon.)

Group 1 will go for the savage raid weapon of that tier, because they want the mechanical benefit and they want it as quickly as possible. Maybe the tomestone weapon (and augment for it) if they aren't clearing the tier yet or the augmented one is BiS for them.

Group 2 will go for the tomestone weapon maybe, though they're gated by weekly tomestone cap and needing seven of the normal-raid capstone weekly tokens. So if they want to go faster for additional jobs, they'll go for the relic weapon but go at the grind hardcore, because they want the relic while it's still Really Good (and "visually shiny" may be a factor as well). And even if it's not The Best, it's still better than many other alternatives (and even when it's outdated, you have the shiny for your glamour dresser). Some of group 2 probably look at Bozja and hey, it's just another grind, but others probably feel like needing to do new content instead of existing FATEs/duties makes the relic fall more under what would appeal to group 1.

Group 3 will go for the relic weapon at a casual pace, because they don't care about the stats or having it quickly, they just like the shiny weapon glam and it doesn't matter that much when they get it. But most of group 3, I think, wants a grind that happens naturally as a result of doing other content; maybe it takes them six months to get the relic, but it's six months where they don't need to actually do anything different, and just pick up crystals as a result of doing roulettes or FATEs, maybe with sidelining to doing specific ones for an hour or so once a week. So Bozja feels like a big wall put up in their path.

So people aren't going to agree on what the relic weapon actually is -- is it meant for group 2, who will tackle a challenge with determination to get a reward quickly, but don't want to deal with savage/ultimate content? Is it meant for group 3, as something you can get really as a side-effect of doing what you already do, even if it takes a very long time? Etc. And as a result, they certainly aren't going to agree on whether the process here is suitable or not.

(And this isn't helped by the fact that, while Square-Enix communicated the requirement ahead of time to advance the Bozjan story, they did not do so in a particularly clear manner. Meaning many people feel misled about what the relic grind would require, or even as though they were actively lied to or betrayed about said requirements.)

I personally think the relic weapon is targeted a bit more at group 2 than 3, and that having a bit of a system you have to engage with and progress to gain it is perfectly fine. (I also think that people's fears of Castrum and Delubrum are the bigger hindrance than the actual duties are, but that's both the fault of the game's skill at making relatively simple mechanics look flashy and intimidating like a stage magician doing one thing to distract you while they set up their trick... and also perhaps only tangentially related to this discussion.)

But I also recognize that this is my opinion, not any sort of objective fact. And I feel like that part is what we're often forgetting/overlooking in the conversation around Bozja and the Resistance weapons; unless the developers outright step in and explicitly state their intent, all we have is opinions. Which are not necessarily going to all be in alignment.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

The grind isn't the niche content. It's things like CLL and DR. There's a market in the community for that sort of content. However, with previous relics, that part of the community could do the grind quickly and get their relics fast fast fast and that worked for them. There's another part of the community that tackles the grind at a slower pace and kind of incorporates updates into their normal daily processes. But something like CLL has a time limit, as we're seeing, when that niche group runs through it for everything it enjoys but abandons it because SE didn't make it worthwhile to keep running, and actually actively made it punish people in that niche group for doing so.

That group gave feedback to SE...which they just completely ignored. So they didn't do anything to make things better for the group that likes things like CLL by making it more rewarding for them.

And now they're telling the group that doesn't like CLL, who had the option to go do the former grind where they wanted at their own pace, that they have to clear this dead instance that the first group isn't keeping active because it punishes players for doing it.

So, nobody is happy. CLL is a huge bottleneck, it's not future proofed to stop this happening again, and they ignored feedback on how to make it worth doing.

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The problem with cll is the way you enter it, not necessarily the rewards. Rewards would be nice, but requiring two layers of rng (pop inside bozja + enough players in that specific instance of bozja) won’t be fixed until it is possible to queue into the place in gangos.

They could boost the rewards, but you’d still be beholden to the number of players with the time to run it in your instance. This is assuming you entered the instance when castrum hadn’t just popped, as well.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

The problem with cll is the way you enter it, not necessarily the rewards. Rewards would be nice, but requiring two layers of rng (pop inside bozja + enough players in that specific instance of bozja) won’t be fixed until it is possible to queue into the place in gangos.

They could boost the rewards, but you’d still be beholden to the number of players with the time to run it in your instance. This is assuming you entered the instance when castrum hadn’t just popped, as well.

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Yes that is definitely also a problem. But I've seen plenty of folks who say they have enough people in the instance but people just don't want to run it.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

The problem with cll is the way you enter it, not necessarily the rewards. Rewards would be nice, but requiring two layers of rng (pop inside bozja + enough players in that specific instance of bozja) won’t be fixed until it is possible to queue into the place in gangos.

They could boost the rewards, but you’d still be beholden to the number of players with the time to run it in your instance. This is assuming you entered the instance when castrum hadn’t just popped, as well.

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This, so much. As I've said elsewhere, I think they could alleviate a lot of the frustration by making three simple changes:

1. Either CLL and DR should award mettle for clearing the various bosses, or they should do away with mettle loss in those instances.

Either is fine, but having an instance with a punishment on failure and no significant award for success (other than "I cleared it and can continue with the story") disincentivizes people to go back and run it again (and thus help more people clear it). And I say this as someone who actually enjoys Castrum.

2. CLL's rewards should be upped/altered.

At the very least, increase the drop rate for the gear upgrades. The initial Bozjan gear is no longer the current 'tier' of Bozjan equipment, having been supplanted by Law's Order. In any other place in this game where we shifted tiers within content, the previous tier would've been made more accessible. (Crystarium gear, for instance, is a lot more easily obtained now than it was when it was the top tomestone gear.)

This seems doubly important for Bozja, given that the augmented Bozjan gear is literally one of the augment materials for the Law's Order gear. Increasing the drop rate of the previous tier's augment tokens would both encourage folks to run CLL for that gear, and to run DR for the Law's Order augment materials. I know a lot of people who aren't going to run DR to try to augment the Law's Order gear not because they don't want the augmented versions, but because they look at needing to augment the Bozjan gear first and look at Castrum's drop rates and the convoluted way to queue in (see next point) and go "yeah, no."

3. WHO IN THE FLAMING HECK THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD QUEUE METHOD FOR CASTRUM?

This is the big one. Even if you do the previous things to incentivize people running Castrum, the queue method is so counter-productive. You can only queue in every hour -- moreover, every hour offset by some effectively-random amount, based on whenever that particular Bozjan Southern Front instance was spawned -- and you are reliant on people in your specific instance of Bozja to queue in as well.

Even if you have 70 people wanting to run CLL at a given moment, and even if by some quirk every Bozjan Southern Front instance was aligned on when Castrum would pop, if those 70 people were scattered across 6 different instances, you could easily have none of those CLL pops have enough people to be viable.

Clearly they know this was a mistake, because Delubrum Reginae has a sane queue method (an NPC who functionally works like the Duty Finder). Castrum should be retrofitted to work the same way, and they should do that yesterday, if not sooner.

Yes, I'm sure that Castrum is harder to put in the normal duty instancing system because it appears to be implemented as just teleporting people to another part of an existing instance tucked away off the map so as to run a FATE with an extremely large radius. Hence why /shout still reaches people outside of Castrum. But I imagine that is not an insurmountable engineering challenge. I have no doubt it would be a hassle and a headache to refactor Castrum in that manner so that it functioned as a separate instance, I grant, but sometimes refactoring your code/redesigning your product/whatever is necessary to have it function effectively and I would argue that this is 100% most definitely one of those cases.

See Packet, I think you may have to split group 3 in two. Just because it takes that group a longer time to get the weapon, doesn't mean they won't use it. And there is usually plenty of time between steps for patches and the final step and the next expansion where that group could work for that over time and be ready for expansion release, using the weapon at each step. Especially if they didn't worry about their tome weapon as they went along. So I wouldn't dismiss them as just the glamour players. 2 and 3 are the two different paces that you can approach the content at but they often end up equalized by the end. 2 just gets it sooner so they gain the maximum benefit over that time from having each step completely quickly. And not forgetting that they gradually make steps easier over time.

I was ironically both sides of 2 on my animas. I went out hardcore for the first 3 or 4 and then dropped back to just finishing the rest on a daily more meandering schedule. But it was a good 5 months or so wasn't it? I'm pretty sure the meandering ones were all done by Stormblood release. Unless someone in 3 is starting right at that last patch, they could probably have caught up.

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First of all, I want to say that what is going to follow is my impression and my thouthgs regarding new patch and the "new" Bozjan content.
I want to quote one of the best senteces I've ever heard in videogames: "Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fcking thing over and over and over again..."
This sounds like Bozjan, like Eureka, like every grinds.

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Bozja sent me back to WoW, where I did the Shadowlands content (one character, no alts). Came back here, did the new story (1 day), then found I could farm the memories for my weapon upgrade by doing old FATES, which took a couple days. Now, I log in, look at my character for a few seconds, and log off.

Starting to do stuff around the house instead..

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

Bozja sent me back to WoW, where I did the Shadowlands content (one character, no alts). Came back here, did the new story (1 day), then found I could farm the memories for my weapon upgrade by doing old FATES, which took a couple days. Now, I log in, look at my character for a few seconds, and log off.

Starting to do stuff around the house instead..

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Kinda funny, really. I saw WoW's Shadowlands for what it was and it sent me straight to Bozja. lol

That judge armor isn't even worth the pain. I mean crap I'd rather pug savage than do Castrum or the new raid they came out with.

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That judge armor isn't even worth the pain. I mean crap I'd rather pug savage than do Castrum or the new raid they came out with.

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I'll get it all through the weekly, but I'm not that worried about it. It's neat, but there are other sets I like better.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

¨Could they at least not had removed the Crystal Tower Raids form the equation, it is overplayed already by people lvling and wanting to skip anything that can get a little bit difficult to the masses ( with exception of WOD )

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BLOODY THIS, if you run alliance roulette you're going to get crystal tower in some form, this just makes it all the worse.