Weeks of farming worth nothing.

I've farmed the elemental fending armor from eureka just to realize that I have a Viera character and I am unable to fully wear the armor.

If Miqo'te ears disappear when the helmet is on and for Aura they clip, why can't the ears of Viera disappear too, same for the horns of Aura? Cause having 4 pairs of horns is ugly af, just to let you know.

It's an armor that requires a good amount of hours/weeks/months to farm and you decide to let me, A VIERA WEAR A WEREWOLF HEAD, but I can't wear this helmet I worked my ass off for, or this set of armor that is meaningless without the helmet.

I understand the choice of not wanting to give Viera headsets at all, I have accepted it eventually, but for special ones, you have to take the time and make the models and remove the ears, especially when you already have a race where you removed the them, this was just laziness, thank you again for letting me wear the werewolf head piece, but not the elemental one.

Hi, sorry for all of that. What I'm gonna say is not meant to be snarky or otherwise mean to you- just..what is it.. facts of life?

1) It's not fair, I know. But they released Viera with that huge disclaimer about headgear so it should be expected and a "pleasant surprise" (I guess?) when headgear does work. In my opinion, SE should just have not released one of the two races and focused on one fully for Shb, then maybe release the other for whatever 6.0 is..even if there ARE NPCs of either. Unfortunately, that's not how it went down. Even so, a huge percent of the headgear that DOES work for Viera/Hrothgar was done voluntarily by the staff on their own time. Again, not defending their business model, just how it is.

2) I am assuming you did the grind for the glamours and not any particular need of iLVL, so all I can really say to that is you should have checked/previewed the item you were after. Especially if there was that kind of time commitment!

I'd chalk it up to a learning experience and on your next endeavor, maybe skip the helmet.

Again, sorry for that!

OP you ask a very good and legitimate question that I wish I had the answer too

having the viera ears dissapear just wouldn't make sense, mi'quote ears are small enough that they could maybe me tucked under a helmet, viera ears are too big for that.

Wait, you also went through the Eureka grind for the single solitary purpose of getting the Elemental Helmet of Fending?

mood kindred

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Wait, you also went through the Eureka grind for the single solitary purpose of getting the Elemental Helmet of Fending?

mood kindred

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More like: Sounds like bait.

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More like: Sounds like bait.

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you don't understand

i literally did this for the sole purpose of finishing my DRK glam

I think pretty much everyone who did Eureka on Primal ~1,5 months back witnessed me losing my fucking mind in there

Seriously wondering why you thought they would work.

It's been pretty obvious that Viera can't wear helmets and most headgear so why wouldn't you at least inquire first before going to the trouble. I was/am interested in a Halo for my Angel Bunny on Spriggan and I sure wasn't about to spend 18 dollars to find out. I did discover in game when i found someone wearing them that they do work.

I still dont get why they didnt just let the ears clip through everything... like, if i were a bunnygirl and a helmet, hood or whater wouldn't have holes for my ears, id make em >_>

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I still dont get why they didnt just let the ears clip through everything... like, if i were a bunnygirl and a helmet, hood or whater wouldn't have holes for my ears, id make em >_>

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I like to think the spriggin jacket is just a hoodie for Viera with the outer layer made fluffy to look cute.

I wish they stop taking my ears off said hats. Like the new baseball cap. I can never wear it because my ears get chopped off. Like female heads are small enough WITH the ears, taking them off makes the heads look even smaller and unnatural. Stop it Square!!! Or make the heads of all your female races BIGGER.

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I wish they stop taking my ears off said hats. Like the new baseball cap. I can never wear it because my ears get chopped off.

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It seems to be an increasing thing for Miqo'te and it's really frustrating. It's acceptable for loose-fitting hats that look like there would be room for ears inside without a dedicated shape for them, but it's increasingly happening with close-fitting hats and it just looks uncomfortable for them. Plus they look more like humans instead of half-cats, but with a weird lack of ears.

Lots of older hats have the ears visible so I don't know why they're not just doing that.

Because so many hats don't display on viera, in the future it might be a good idea to confirm the piece you've set your eye on actually displays before you expand the effort to get it.
Two of the best tools I've found for this are:

gamerescape as it let's you see what a piece looks like on each race/gender
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/E...elm_of_Fending

and the dlunch model viewer, which wigs out and deletes the models head if the hat won't display with your race.
https://ffxiv.dlunch.net/model.html

I mean... If dwarwen helmets can hide Au Ra horns (not sure about Viera ears tho), I don't see why this helmet can't do that either.

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I mean... If dwarwen helmets can hide Au Ra horns (not sure about Viera ears tho), I don't see why this helmet can't do that either.

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Can confirm dwarf helmets work on Viera, but because they replace the head with that bearded abomination. Helmets that replace the head work just fine on Viera.

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It seems to be an increasing thing for Miqo'te and it's really frustrating. It's acceptable for loose-fitting hats that look like there would be room for ears inside without a dedicated shape for them, but it's increasingly happening with close-fitting hats and it just looks uncomfortable for them. Plus they look more like humans instead of half-cats, but with a weird lack of ears.

Lots of older hats have the ears visible so I don't know why they're not just doing that.

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Save on time probably. If they can't even do miqo'te ears anymore, I doubt we will ever get them doing Viera ears. :(

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having the viera ears dissapear just wouldn't make sense, mi'quote ears are small enough that they could maybe me tucked under a helmet, viera ears are too big for that.

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It's spelled "Miqo'te"

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It seems to be an increasing thing for Miqo'te and it's really frustrating. It's acceptable for loose-fitting hats that look like there would be room for ears inside without a dedicated shape for them, but it's increasingly happening with close-fitting hats and it just looks uncomfortable for them. Plus they look more like humans instead of half-cats, but with a weird lack of ears.

Lots of older hats have the ears visible so I don't know why they're not just doing that.

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I really liked the older style of hats that had holes for the ears. Just give me those.

Having just noticed this in the opening post...

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If Miqo'te ears disappear when the helmet is on and for Aura they clip, why can't the ears of Viera disappear too, same for the horns of Aura? Cause having 4 pairs of horns is ugly af, just to let you know.

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Heck no, a hat should not be able to conceal Au Ra's solid horns which are attached with bone to their skulls as if they were floppy ears you can stuff into a hat.

Ideally all the headgear would be altered to accomodate the horns properly instead of just clipping through, but making them vanish is far worse.

If you think they look bad with four horns, just don't wear headgear that has horns on it.

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It seems to be an increasing thing for Miqo'te and it's really frustrating. It's acceptable for loose-fitting hats that look like there would be room for ears inside without a dedicated shape for them, but it's increasingly happening with close-fitting hats and it just looks uncomfortable for them. Plus they look more like humans instead of half-cats, but with a weird lack of ears.

Lots of older hats have the ears visible so I don't know why they're not just doing that.

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Same with tail-holes. A lot of older gear had design allowances for the races with tails but they've just stopped doing that. It's kind of annoying.

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Same with tail-holes. A lot of older gear had design allowances for the races with tails but they've just stopped doing that. It's kind of annoying.

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Occasionally (at least for females) we get like a bow for the tail, but yeah no actual hole for it. Just clips through, but at least they sometimes have a little effort.

I tend to first use the try on feature to check how the complete glamour looks before spending any effort on acquiring the necessary items and dyes. Just saying.

Me thinking this thread might actually be something interesting...

nope, just more tired hat whining.

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I tend to first use the try on feature to check how the complete glamour looks before spending any effort on acquiring the necessary items and dyes. Just saying.

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I'm the same, and that goes for any race. Do all the trying on first, make sure nothing clashes or combines in unexpected ways, then put your hours of work into obtaining it.

I'd say...

*laughs in Hrothgar*

But...it looks really small on them, like most helms. Comically small. Probably better off not being able to wear it at all, among some other helmets.

They said initially viera wouldn’t wear headgear and you roll knowing this.

They then implemented a few pieces because people wanted them. And they made some for the cash shop because there was a demand for it.

Now you’re wanting them to retroactively go back to content and redo every hat pretty much which is development time which doesn’t benefit the player base as a whole.

Should have just stuck to no hats in my opinion.

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They said initially viera wouldn’t wear headgear and you roll knowing this.

They then implemented a few pieces because people wanted them. And they made some for the cash shop because there was a demand for it.

Now you’re wanting them to retroactively go back to content and redo every hat pretty much which is development time which doesn’t benefit the player base as a whole.

Should have just stuck to no hats in my opinion.

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I don't think they need to go back and rework everything, but not being able to wear a fancy job specific BRD or RDM hat is almost criminal.

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I don't think they need to go back and rework everything, but not being able to wear a fancy job specific BRD or RDM hat is almost criminal.

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I would hope there are plans for more hat/head item reworks. They had promised more hairstyles which i'm personally more interested in but I have to admit I'm a bit puzzled that after more than a year we have absolutely nothing new to show.

It's also rather disappointing that even with new releases Viera and Hrothgar are left out which i find to be a bit inexcusable in my opinion.

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I don't think they need to go back and rework everything, but not being able to wear a fancy job specific BRD or RDM hat is almost criminal.

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Yeah but where does the complaining stop?

Now it’s a eureka hat, then it will be the level 50 job hats, then it will be random things people want for role play.

They should have just said no hats. People would still complain but most would accept that’s the choice they make when they roll the race.

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Yeah but where does the complaining stop?

Now it’s a eureka hat, then it will be the level 50 job hats, then it will be random things people want for role play.

They should have just said no hats. People would still complain but most would accept that’s the choice they make when they roll the race.

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Until they are treated mostly like the rest of the playable races then the complaining will never stop. Maybe they shouldn't have released them so incomplete.

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Yeah but where does the complaining stop?

Now it’s a eureka hat, then it will be the level 50 job hats, then it will be random things people want for role play.

They should have just said no hats. People would still complain but most would accept that’s the choice they make when they roll the race.

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Don't introduce new races if you can't support it.

Everyone is invited!!! Except for Viera and Hrothgar because you can't wear the helmet.

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/ae...png?1608883045

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Don't introduce new races if you can't support it.

Everyone is invited!!! Except for Viera and Hrothgar because you can't wear the helmet.
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/ae...png?1608883045

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But they said from the start they wouldn’t wear hats.

It’s like the people that say don’t introduce BLU if it’s not the same as all the other jobs.

If they were introduced as just another race and they were all buggy etc then I’d agree with you. But they specifically said no hats, and you roll knowing that.

Their error was conceding only a little a bit because once you do that people only want more.

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But they said from the start they wouldn’t wear hats.

It’s like the people that say don’t introduce BLU if it’s not the same as all the other jobs.

If they were introduced as just another race and they were all buggy etc then I’d agree with you. But they specifically said no hats, and you roll knowing that.

Their error was conceding only a little a bit because once you do that people only want more.

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Sorry but I'll agree to disagree. Release Viera and Hrothgar as is was a mistake and the devs need to be callout on it, not be enabled for it. Sometimes it feels like they forgot the hard earned lessons from years past. Not letting players use hairstyles or headgear that they have earned over the years kind of insulting and shows they should have spent more time designing the races to make them work in the current system. Next making them gender lock is a leap backwards from the Realm Reborn days where they introduced Male Miqo'te and Female Roagadyn.

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Sorry but I'll agree to disagree. Release Viera and Hrothgar as is was a mistake and the devs need to be callout on it, not be enabled for it. Sometimes it feels like they forgot the hard earned lessons from years past. Not letting players use hairstyles or headgear that they have earned over the years kind of insulting and shows they should have spent more time designing the races to make them work in the current system. Next making them gender lock is a leap backwards from the Realm Reborn days where they introduced Male Miqo'te and Female Roagadyn.

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Okay so unless they’re willing to make both genders and make them fully compatible with every single item already in the game you don’t want them? I kinda agree seeing how the fanbase has reacted.

Theres a bit of a problem with entitlement here though. For me them just adding them as npcs was fine. People cry to make them playable so they do. People cry they can’t wear hats so they add some. People cry they can’t wear specific ones. If they added all the hats they’d cry about clipping etc.

This is the kinda thing that killed WoW.

As far as I can tell WoW is still the most popular mmorpg out there. :confused:

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I think pretty much everyone who did Eureka on Primal ~1,5 months back witnessed me losing my fucking mind in there

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On Primal, enjoy Eureka, can confirm.

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They then implemented a few pieces because people wanted them. And they made some for the cash shop because there was a demand for it.

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I think it's important to note that they're not (or at least I don't think it looks like they are) specifically designing Viera-compatible hats in response to demand. Rather they are carrying on with their usual design process making everything for Hyur first and IF the hat works with Viera they can have it.

As far as I've seen there's a clear pattern to what works: soft, loose hoods and cute little hats that balance on top of the head without affecting the hair or clipping through the ears. Also that one armoured crown of course, but it fully covers the hair, dodges the ears and evidently meets any other criteria for being doable.

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As far as I've seen there's a clear pattern to what works: soft, loose hoods and cute little hats that balance on top of the head without affecting the hair or clipping through the ears.

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They actually made the Dirndl's hat quite a lot smaller for Viera so they made the smallest bit of effort to actually get it to work there, but then they don't bother doing the same for Eastern Socialite's hat and other similar tiny hat models.

It's always a surprise when something is actually visible because it's wildly inconsistent, the Elemental Helm of Fending also fully covers the face and hair as far as I can see so in theory it could have worked like the armored crown, but then it randomly doesn't. :confused: It wouldn't look great, but then things like this are just fine.

https://i.redd.it/j4sojftablt51.png

Definitely always try before you buy on a case-by-case basis with Viera and Hrothgar. Or try before you put in the work, in OP's case.