I'm surprised Idleshire and Mor Dhona don't have housing wards.

It just seemed like the natural progression to both of these zones building themselves up.
They keep bloating the current wards to the point of being tedious to tour through. The first three wards were 'justified' by saying it was a GC initiative, but what GC governs Kugane? Seems like a wasted potential to have both these locations build up over time to just abandon them to old content.

If I'm not mistaken housing wards are linked to major cities : Gridania, Limsa Lominsa, Ul'dah, Kugane and hopefully Ishgard in the future. Mor Dhona and Idyllshire are not cities, they are independent towns.
So (in my opinion) it wouldn't make sense for little towns to have housing.

Also Mor Dhona is a region, not a town/city. The town in Mor Dhona that is often mistaken for it's region is called Revenant's Toll, and is just a glorified aetheryte camp that grew beyond being a few tents. But either way neither Revenant's Toll nor Idyllshire are citystates, they're just hamlets, and so do not warrant residential areas.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Also Mor Dhona is a region, not a town/city. The town in Mor Dhona that is often mistaken for it's region is called Revenant's Toll,

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Yes true ! I always forget this

Well from a lore perspective I don't see it. At least not in Mor Dhona due to all corrupted aether.

Hot take:It's too bad we aren't receiving Dravanian Housing, foundation is hideous.

I'd rather have a house in the goblet.
One of the biggest reasons I can't be bothered with the Ishgard restoration in it's entirety.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

One of the biggest reasons I can't be bothered with the Ishgard restoration in it's entirety.

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This. My second reason was about that all of the houses will get smuggled by hoarders anyway so why bother helping them?

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Hot take:It's too bad we aren't receiving Dravanian Housing, foundation is hideous.

I'd rather have a house in the goblet.
One of the biggest reasons I can't be bothered with the Ishgard restoration in it's entirety.

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Players kept loudly asking for housing in Ishgard. They're getting housing in Ishgard.

Almost no one was asking for housing in Dravania (though there were a few). If any other HW zone got mentioned for housing, it was usually Sea of Clouds.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Players kept loudly asking for housing in Ishgard. They're getting housing in Ishgard.

Almost no one was asking for housing in Dravania (though there were a few). If any other HW zone got mentioned for housing, it was usually Sea of Clouds.

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TY for remembering us who wanted sea of clouds housing, I seen your post and liked it asap, I am one of those people who wanted sea of clouds housing instead of ishgard housing, I'd love to live up there cause it's my fav hw zone and in my top 5 zones in the game.

Why not Crystarium housing ^-^

However, Revenant's Toll housed the Doman refugees until we resolved the Doman issues in Stormblood, so its entirely there's already a residential area there built out, and we'd be taking over for the leaving refugees bringing life back to Revenant's Toll.

That's enough lore justification to make it possible, especially since Revenant's Toll is basically the base of operations for the Scions now.

People are still living in Mor Dhona. I really don't see how "corrupted aether" would come into play. And not being a city state doesn't seem like it would exclude you from living somewhere.
It just seems wasted to build up these locales, and then just never come back again except to grab your wonderous tales book.
While I'm sure sea of clouds or an underwater bubble would be a fine place for housing. It just doesn't have the same gravitas to me. We didn't build anything there, we didn't watch it grow from a tent city. theres no real attachment. They used resources to have a staggered growth for those two locations, it seems reasonable they would continue it to some extent.
Idyllshire even used to be a citystate before it was abandoned. It should already have some sort of housing ward lorewise, even if its currently in disrepair.

Realgars Reach, Mor Dhona, Iddleshire.. Eulmore... either place is adventureing areas and not related to any cities or houses... Crystarium and Ishgaard os the other potentials, already gettomg for Ishgaard... probably somewhere in the future for Crystarium as well.

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Realgars Reach, Mor Dhona, Iddleshire.. Eulmore... either place is adventureing areas and not related to any cities or houses... Crystarium and Ishgaard os the other potentials, already gettomg for Ishgaard... probably somewhere in the future for Crystarium as well.

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Probably not Crystarium because it is like a Mor Dhona; it is a gather place for the adventures on that Shard.
It only has the apartment wards.

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Realgars Reach, Mor Dhona, Iddleshire.. Eulmore... either place is adventureing areas and not related to any cities or houses... Crystarium and Ishgaard os the other potentials, already gettomg for Ishgaard... probably somewhere in the future for Crystarium as well.

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The only place listed that has lore potential for a housing district (other than Ishgard, which we know we're getting) is Idyllshire since the new residents are trying to actively restore and build up that area.

The other areas have lore reasons for why a housing district wouldn't make sense. Rhalgr's Reach was merely a hiding place for the Resistance, taking advantage of the old monk training grounds that were abandoned when the monks were almost wiped out. Ala Mhigo's capital would make more sense for a housing district than Rhalgr's Reach. Mor Dhona, Crystarium and Eulmore are in territories still filled with considerable danger, which is why residents of those areas crowd within the city walls (assuming there's enough room for them).

It's easy to forget that Norvrandt is still heavily populated with sin eaters in lore and it will continue to be an ongoing problem to those who aren't aware of what's happening in the optional related side content. Having a housing district there would make no sense to players still going through the MSQ. At least Hingashi got a couple of brief mentions in MSQ before we went there and Shirogane's existence as a residential district for foreigners makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Why not Crystarium housing ^-^

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Crystarium Housing would be my only reason to 'give up' my large house and move back into a middle one (since every large there would be taken in seconds)
would love to live there since it just looks amazing to me...

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Players kept loudly asking for housing in Ishgard. They're getting housing in Ishgard.

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There has been nothing said about player housing in Ishgard.
The Firmament is for NPCs, nobody anywhere has mentioned players.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There has been nothing said about player housing in Ishgard.
The Firmament is for NPCs, nobody anywhere has mentioned players.

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Just the big tease at the 2018 NA FanFest keynote where YoshiP said players have been asking for housing in Ishgard but we'd have to restore it first before we can have it.

Well, completion of the Restoration will happen in 5.4 as long as players continue to participate. That was said during the last Live Letter.

I doubt very much they're going to fail to deliver. I never expected it to happen in 5.4, though. I had been expecting 5.5, but with the COVID situation messing with things it could end up next expac. I am confident we will be getting something, though.

Assuming foundation does happen, it's just going to be as horrible as Goblet in a freezer.

I've played a game with housing in the snow, and by the end of January everyone is screaming - enough, bring the grass back. Year round snow is too depressing.


Revenant's Toll is too grey/purple. Sea of Clouds would have been so nice.

idylshire is supposed to be a abandon area but thanks to kobald and Rowena its decent area for trades and priceless relics of the Sharlyans. but Ultimately it is still a ruins and Mor dohna is the same case, the only housing that makes a lick of sense outside of the big 3 are Hingashi (Shirogane) Eulmore (dozens of islands and spires off the coast) Ishgard (clearly) Ala Mihgo and Sui-no-Sato with more villages underwater or near the Court of the Ruby Palace. I could add Doma but its too similar to Hingan aesthetics and would be a waste of a district

We could literally have housing anywhere if they looked more to what games like ESO are doing with housing and putting their own spin on that insanely wonderful system instead of sticking so hard to wards.

We could easily keep wards in the major cities, like we have now, for those who want to stay with that system and then make the instanced housing in other areas.

For those who do not know how ESO handles housing. They have houses scattered throughout the world in cities and in the fields that everyone can buy and have their own small instance of. Some are like our apartments and some have gates around them which allows for yards and those yards are different depending on the house. Some have bodies of water attached, some have pools or waterfalls, some are just plain. Some are square, some round, some oval and some shapeless, but they all represent the area in which they are located. You can also own every house in the game if you really want to.

At this point in the game, hoping for a housing revamp is likely just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I remember one time i suggested a tent miscellany that could be pitched in any spot of the ffxiv open world that would have an animation of a tent with a mini chocobo stable showing the player's gc issued chocobo, once pitched the tent area becomes sanctuary and if I may add the tent acts as a portal going to an instanced living area kinda like the tents in the Harry Potter movie. ;););)

This! Chrystarium is way more sexy than Ishgard. Also Eulmore and Amaurot. Jeez almost every single area in Shadowbringers is absolutely gorgeous. I wouldn't mind renovating a pixie house or a little spot in Lube Mheg either.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The only place listed that has lore potential for a housing district...

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"Lore potential" is absolutely irrelevant. If the devs want to add a housing ward out in the boonies, the writers can just come up with a reason. They have an army of creative people working on that game.

The problem is probably more related to not wanting to funnel resources into building more housing areas as this is kind of a niche feature that not enough players care about.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Hot take:It's too bad we aren't receiving Dravanian Housing, foundation is hideous.

I'd rather have a house in the goblet.
One of the biggest reasons I can't be bothered with the Ishgard restoration in it's entirety.

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Maybe I’m weird but I love Ishgard and the lore. I think it’s because I love cold weather and cold aesthetics and gothic dark architecture, and enjoy like vampiric aesthetics. So yes, i imagine roleplaying in ishgard.

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People are still living in Mor Dhona. I really don't see how "corrupted aether" would come into play. And not being a city state doesn't seem like it would exclude you from living somewhere.
It just seems wasted to build up these locales, and then just never come back again except to grab your wonderous tales book.
While I'm sure sea of clouds or an underwater bubble would be a fine place for housing. It just doesn't have the same gravitas to me. We didn't build anything there, we didn't watch it grow from a tent city. theres no real attachment. They used resources to have a staggered growth for those two locations, it seems reasonable they would continue it to some extent.
Idyllshire even used to be a citystate before it was abandoned. It should already have some sort of housing ward lorewise, even if its currently in disrepair.

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I would argue that it IS a city state. Why?

Because they trade with other cities as if they were a city state. It's size is also an indicator. The only thing that it doesn't have is a marketboard, or an airship dock, but with old Sharlayan not having a dock, and Ratz-At-Han not having marketboards, this hardly matters. Revenants Toll and Idyllshire are absolutely city states, they just aren't as big as others. Each area could be called its own domain in its own right however.

The Doman Enclave, and Eulmore are also a city states of similar size. I think the definition for what constitutes as a city state is too loose in the lore to even make sense these days.

The official google definition for a city state is "a city that with its surrounding territory forms an independent state."

Mor Dohna, Doman Enclave, and Idyllshire absolutely control a territory that extends beyond the city. Idyllshire may not control Dravania as a whole, but they do control the entire Hinterland after the defeat of the Illuminati. Mor Dohna also is in the same boat with the defeat of the Garleans. There might be a base there, but technically they do not exist. It's just a pain for Square Enix to phase them out. Doman Enclave is also the same boat, but they actually let the Garleans get phased out.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Hot take:It's too bad we aren't receiving Dravanian Housing, foundation is hideous.

I'd rather have a house in the goblet.
One of the biggest reasons I can't be bothered with the Ishgard restoration in it's entirety.

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Well, I suppose everyone is wrong once in awhile. ;) I know a *lot* of people who are quite excited for Empyreum and moved there (or tried) when the lotto went live.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Why not Crystarium housing ^-^

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Probably because the requirement to buy a house is level 50 and upping it specifically for greater than level 50 areas would likely be problematic from a logistical standpoint.

There's also the time-tested player complaint. "WAAAAH, THEY GOT SHADOWBRINGERS HOUSING BUT I CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LEVELED ENOUGH!!! THAT'S NOT A FAIR, PROPER, OR RIGHTEOUS THING!!! I'M PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT AS EVERYONE ELSE AND EXPECT TO HAVE EQUAL ACCESS!!!! LEGACY PRIVILEGE!!! VETERAN FAVORITISM!!!, etc, etc, etc. Then there are the responses "Noob, buy a skip if you want it that bad." or "WTF, you're not at Shadowbringers yet? This game is SO EASY, you're a loser for not being able to get to that point in a couple days!!!". How about "You don't deserve the house because you haven't put in the time like I have. Too bad, so sad.".


Does that sound about right?

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This! Chrystarium is way more sexy than Ishgard. Also Eulmore and Amaurot. Jeez almost every single area in Shadowbringers is absolutely gorgeous. I wouldn't mind renovating a pixie house or a little spot in Lube Mheg either.

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Did you just say Lube Mheg? LOL.