Mogstation Exchange NPC

I'd figured i make this thread since after seeing how the wedding clothing is exchangeable by an NPC when you change genders. I would like to see another NPC that would exchange other Mogstation clothing for the opposite gender. For instance - i currently have the Peacock attire on my female Miqo'te. If i change to a male Hyur, it would be nice if i could exchange my female version of the Peacock attire to the male version through an NPC so i don't have to buy both female and male versions. It's just to much money. If they have if for the wedding attire, they can certainly do it for the others.

It's holding me back. I have a lot of glamour for my female Miqo'te off the Mogstation but i want to change to either a male Hyur or Miqo'te. All that glamour, i wish i could just exchange it for the male counterpart w/o buying both.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

...it would be nice if i could exchange my female version of the Peacock attire to the male version through an NPC so i don't have to buy both female and male versions...

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Um the Peacock outfit is neutral gender, in fact, many of the outfits are neutral gender, {snip, as it might be false, can't have false}
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Originally Posted by Zomkei

this is false. while the peacock robe might be unisex (i honestly have no idea) the majority of mog station outfits are gender locked and separate, meaning you have to buy both sets if you change your gender. and no, for mog station outfits, you cannot exchange, other than the wedding outfits.

I’d honestly wish to see this too

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I said many, not all. As for what the vendor has, I was sure a few of the gender locked outfits could be exchanged, but then I doubt I will ever play a male character, so I've only looked once.

Unisex:
Peacock
Mheg Deaca
Ruby Carbuncle
Eastern Journey
Angelic
Demonic
Emerald Carbuncle
Topaz Carbuncle
Fuga
Moogle
Ward Knight's
Ward Mage's
Garlond Ironworks
plus most of the Armor category.

To me, that is many, not a few.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Um the Peacock outfit is neutral gender, in fact, many of the outfits are neutral gender, the ones that have female only with a male corresponding usually are found in the exchange vendor.

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this is false. while the peacock robe might be unisex (i honestly have no idea) the majority of mog station outfits are gender locked and separate, meaning you have to buy both sets if you change your gender. and no, for mog station outfits, you cannot exchange, other than the wedding outfits.

i’d honestly wish to see this too

Exactly, gendered lock means they are different outfits; therefore this thread is pointless

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Um the Peacock outfit is neutral gender, in fact, many of the outfits are neutral gender, {snip, as it might be false, can't have false}
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I said many, not all. As for what the vendor has, I was sure a few of the gender locked outfits could be exchanged, but then I doubt I will ever play a male character, so I've only looked once.

Unisex:
Peacock
Mheg Deaca
Ruby Carbuncle
Eastern Journey
Angelic
Demonic
Emerald Carbuncle
Topaz Carbuncle
Fuga
Moogle
Ward Knight's
Ward Mage's
Garlond Ironworks
plus most of the Armor category.

To me, that is many, not a few.

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I'll just go ahead and list all costumes that should be exchangeable. They are paired together.

1. Bergsteiger's // Dirndl
2. Far Eastern Officer // Far Eastern Maiden
3. Far Eastern Schoolboy // Far Eastern School Girl
3. Faerie Tale Prince // Faerie Tale Princess
4. Nezha Lord // Nezha Lady
5. Loyal Butler // Loyal Housemaid
6. Far Eastern Gentleman // Far Eastern Beauty
7. Far Eastern Garb for Men // Far Eastern Garb for Women
8. Far Eastern Patriarch // Far Eastern Matriarchs
9. Royal Seneschal // Royal Songbird
10. Lord Suikan // Lady Suikan
11. Male Werewolf // Female Werewolf

I have a good about 8 of those sets for female. I should be able to exchange them for the male set if i should change to male. They all have equivalent of 4-5 pieces each.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Exactly, gendered lock means they are different outfits; therefore this thread is pointless

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I don't think you understand whats being said therefore you're pointless.

then they wouldn't make as much money. which is the point regardless of your personal feelings on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

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i'm not sure what you're trying to argue against. most gear in there are gender locked, and while there are some that are unisex, this isn't what the thread is about. they specifically said to exchange the gender locked ones for corresponding gear of the opposite gender which wouldn't have a negative impact on anyone.

costs and development went into each gendered version of the gear. to have them exchangeable for nothing would cause prices to be raised on them.

That's weird that you can't exchange a gendered mog piece for it's opposite.
I didn't realize that and it's good to know for the fantasia I was thinking about buying...

Thanks for the heads up OP and I hope it's something they consider changing.

I've spent an...amount on Fantasia over the years but rarely buy anything else from Mogstation due to the genderlock and nothing but (some) mounts being account bound.

If the lock was removed and everything became account bound aside from skips, marriages and dyes then the mogstation would get sooo much money from me.

This has come up before; and the general gist of a lot of players is:

A) Certain specific outfits are gender locked and there is no alternate equivalent (eg. Thancred is not the male version of Y’shtola)
There is certainly a case for adding opposite gender versions, but that’s a different discussion.

B) Certain items have a clear male-female version and it would be easy to just link them into a single item, except the naming of the item would need to change. Essentially how event gear works (bikini top for girls, bare chest for guys, despite the icon).

OP is debating B I believe. Unless there is a plan to build in cross dressing in the future, I don’t really see the need to keep separate things like the old-fashioned schoolboy/girl outfit.

In my case, there are several outfits I like, but I don’t want to buy two copies of essentially the same gear to dress up retainers/squadron.

For mog station items it is quite clear when you purchase them that they are gender locked - you make the decision to proceed with the purchase knowing that is the case. You are then told at the checkout that you waive your rights to a refund on them if you open the mail on the moogle.

So sorry but I am against this - characters make a decision to buy gender locked items and then decide to switch their genders - again their conscious decision. They need to take the responsibility for those decisions and be aware of the implications.

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Originally Posted by Bearded

For mog station items it is quite clear when you purchase them that they are gender locked - you make the decision to proceed with the purchase knowing that is the case. You are then told at the checkout that you waive your rights to a refund on them if you open the mail on the moogle.

So sorry but I am against this - characters make a decision to buy gender locked items and then decide to switch their genders - again their conscious decision. They need to take the responsibility for those decisions and be aware of the implications.

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Yeah, but it's an unnecessary and player hostile decision that gets in the way of fun.
You're saying we just have to live with it like this is part of the way the world works, but this is part of a man made system and can be changed.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Yeah, but it's an unnecessary and player hostile decision that gets in the way of fun.
You're saying we just have to live with it like this is part of the way the world works, but this is part of a man made system and can be changed.

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Basically yes - live with it. People have accepted that for as long as the Mog Station and CERTAIN outfits are gender locked. People purchasing an outfit entered into a contract at the time of purchase which was completed to their satisfaction. They then want to change their minds and sorry but you have to draw the line.

If this were permitted it would then open the gates for other people who "change their minds" on purchases - bought a job boost but now decide you don't like it - no problem speak to an NPC and they will reverse it and you can take your pick of all the other jobs.

Bought a Fantasia but decide you don't like the look - hey no worries this NPC will give you another.

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Originally Posted by Bearded

For mog station items it is quite clear when you purchase them that they are gender locked - you make the decision to proceed with the purchase knowing that is the case. You are then told at the checkout that you waive your rights to a refund on them if you open the mail on the moogle.

So sorry but I am against this - characters make a decision to buy gender locked items and then decide to switch their genders - again their conscious decision. They need to take the responsibility for those decisions and be aware of the implications.

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Then why would they only allow wedding attire to be exchanged? Personally there is nothing wrong with it at all. It honestly would increase Fantasia sales which i'm sure they would like. I tend to switch races/genders here and there but now i don't want to the more they come out with more gender locked costumes and everything is on my female Miqo'te.

On a sidenote - In TERA i switched races so much the GM's just decided to give me all the Human/Castanic/Elin race equivalents of the costumes i had. Which was nice.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Then why would they only allow wedding attire to be exchanged?.

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I feel it's because when you buy the Eternal Bonding Ring from the Mogstation, that itself isn't actually gender restricted. You can put the ring on any gender, plus you may also change genders before your ceremony anyway so the flexibility means you can exchange between the attire depending on what you actually need/want.

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Originally Posted by Bearded

Basically yes - live with it. People have accepted that for as long as the Mog Station [...] They then want to change their minds and sorry but you have to draw the line.

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Just because that's the way things have been doesn't mean that's the way they should be.
We just disagree on where the line should be drawn.

most people that complain on the forum always want something that favors them over the system. they want to be able to milk it but the system needs to still be able to make its money, so therefore the system wins out and the whiners keep complaining into the void.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

then they wouldn't make as much money. which is the point regardless of your personal feelings on the matter.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

costs and development went into each gendered version of the gear. to have them exchangeable for nothing would cause prices to be raised on them.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

most people that complain on the forum always want something that favors them over the system. they want to be able to milk it but the system needs to still be able to make its money, so therefore the system wins out and the whiners keep complaining into the void.

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Wouldn't make as much money? You really think people are buying both sets of the costume for male and female? I'm sure they make more off selling Fantasia which is why Fantasia has always been in the #1 spot on the store. This would increase Fantasia sales even more if people could freely exchange their costumes instead of having to buy both sets which i won't. So i don't see it hurting the "System".

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Wouldn't make as much money? You really think people are buying both sets of the costume for male and female? I'm sure they make more off selling Fantasia which is why Fantasia has always been in the #1 spot on the store. This would increase Fantasia sales even more if people could freely exchange their costumes instead of having to buy both sets which i won't. So i don't see it hurting the "System".

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if they are desperate enough they are buying both because they know they can't swap them regardless of how many fantasia's they buy. because they know they can't change the system and it's never going to change.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

if they are desperate enough they are buying both because they know they can't swap them regardless of how many fantasia's they buy. because they know they can't change the system and it's never going to change.

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Right. And exactly how many people is "They". Overall if we have no numbers this is just a needle in a haystack. You nor i have any actual knowledge on who's "Desperate" and who bought both costume sets. However going off the fact that Fantasia is #1 in the mogstation means people change a lot. And that doesn't mean they bought both costume sets because they could change race only and not gender. So your counter-argument is like trying to grab air.

Also if enough people want the same thing to be changed, it will be changed.

name one thing that isn't an ezpz fix to make that has been changed as a result of something on these forums.

you are just reaching for that rainbow hoping things will work out in your favor. stop daydreaming.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Also if enough people want the same thing to be changed, it will be changed.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this why we have male Miqo'te?
I'm sure that if they could, the company would give us the bare minimum product. Asking for more is not a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this why we have male Miqo'te?
I'm sure that if they could, the company would give us the bare minimum product. Asking for more is not a bad idea.

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that's an outlier because they did that during the breakdown of 1.0 and the making of 2.0. there's asking for more and then there's gimme gimme gimme i want i want i want.

Or just remove the gender restrictions for *all* of those outfits as they have the bridal sets. Problem solved. Edit to add: And that also fits the category of "Easy to do." If they have already removed the check from the bridal sets, it shouldn't be hard to do for the rest of the outfits. Another edit directed to the person who said the wedding outfits can be exchanged: It's more than that now. Both genders can wear *either* outfit now. I know because I glammed my *male* miqo'te into the bridal gown he used when he was a *female* au ra lol.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

Or just remove the gender restrictions for *all* of those outfits as they have the bridal sets. Problem solved. Edit to add: And that also fits the category of "Easy to do." If they have already removed the check from the bridal sets, it shouldn't be hard to do for the rest of the outfits. Another edit directed to the person who said the wedding outfits can be exchanged: It's more than that now. Both genders can wear *either* outfit now. I know because I glammed my *male* miqo'te into the bridal gown he used when he was a *female* au ra lol.

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Yeah, they might have to do some futzing with the models to make them work for new body types, but it's def possible.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

that's an outlier because they did that during the breakdown of 1.0 and the making of 2.0. there's asking for more and then there's gimme gimme gimme i want i want i want.

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It isn't even that. They've already removed gender restrictions from the bridal outfits, there's no reason not to do so for the MS outfits when there is already precedent for it.

you think it's an easy fix for gendered gear models to become available for other sex? then explain why it hasn't been done already before now.

https://imgur.com/ZWJuwO2.png

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

you think it's an easy fix for gendered gear models to become available for other sex? then explain why it hasn't been done already before now.

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It has been with the bridal outfits. Again, I know that for a fact because I was able to glamour the bridal gown onto my male miqo'te that had gotten married as a female au ra. [image under spoiler box]

I LOVE THIS IDEA.

btw, I spoiler the image to prove my point because it is indeed a story spoiler lol. But not only have the bridal outfits been unlocked for both genders, so have the bunny outfits. There *is* precedent in at *least* those two [there may be others I am not aware of] for removing gender locks.

Plenty of other MMOs automatically just switch the gear/outfit's appearance when you switch sexes. Much like how XIV already handles a good portion of the in-game gear.

It's one of those things that really leaves me scratching my head at what SE is thinking. Dungeon/raid gear switches just fine. But then you have some crafted sets that have a design for both male & female, but it's two completely separate items. Same with the cash shop items. Most sets (should be all sets..) have a male/female variety, but you have to purchase them separately. Why on earth do these not just switch?

Toss this on top of the list of things that make little sense within the game. Maybe it's a blatant cash grab, maybe it's a completely inadequate system, who knows. But it is pretty lame. :X

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

https://imgur.com/ZWJuwO2.png

It has been with the bridal outfits. Again, I know that for a fact because I was able to glamour the bridal gown onto my male miqo'te that had gotten married as a female au ra. [image under spoiler box]

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and you know how long it took from release of eternal bonding ceremony for the unisex option to become available was? a LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNG TIME.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

It isn't even that. They've already removed gender restrictions from the bridal outfits, there's no reason not to do so for the MS outfits when there is already precedent for it.

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To be exact, the restrictions were not simply "removed". Someone had to take the bridal gown model and alter it to fit the various male body shapes - otherwise the piece doesn't exist for them to equip it.

So yes, they could go through the same process for the Mog Station items, but apparently they are doing it for at least some pieces of in-game gear first (I believe it was the Oasis, Riviera and Expeditioner sets that were leaked a while back alongside the wedding gear?). Still, that process would just mean you can equip the female version as a male character or vice versa - not that you can access the gendered equivalent piece.


(Also, it would be good idea to edit that post with the spoilered picture to warn for 5.3 story spoilers, because people will probably assume you're just hiding it for image size.)